NCAP Locations - Different programs?

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Anonymous wrote:Adding that at the HS level there are major differences between locations and it's not uncommon for kids to move to a new location depending on what their stroke and training preferences are. I wouldn't worry about that at your young age, but if folks are approaching HS age--do your homework. For instance, we've seen multiple breastrokers join the GPrep site, only to move elsewhere within a year or two. At the elite level, GPrep is all about distance free style, 400 IM, and tons of yardage. This type of training can "break breastroke" technique. Stroke specialists seem to prefer the AU site.

Never thought about that but it makes sense- the coaches are difference and from different backgrounds. Surprised GPrep is distance free since Gemmell is there but I suppose Katie Ledecky was trained there too (but by Sugiyama, not Gemmell)

Ledecky was trained by Gemmell.

https://swimmingcoach.org/training-katie-ledecky-by-yuri-suguiyama-curl-burke-swim-club-2012/[url]

He was at Prep for two years. Top of the article. And then she trained with Bruce Gemmell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He got poached by Wisconsin bc he trained Ledecky at Prep

I believe Yuri coached the younger group at the Prep site, so he coached Ledecky before her first Olympics. Gemmell definitely claimed to coach her as well. (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/11/sports/swimming-katie-ledecky-coach-bruce-gemmell.html) His son, Andrew Gemmell was also an Olympian and a distance freestyle swimmer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He got poached by Wisconsin bc he trained Ledecky at Prep

I believe Yuri coached the younger group at the Prep site, so he coached Ledecky before her first Olympics. Gemmell definitely claimed to coach her as well. (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/11/sports/swimming-katie-ledecky-coach-bruce-gemmell.html) His son, Andrew Gemmell was also an Olympian and a distance freestyle swimmer.

Yuri was her first coach, that got her to her first Olympics. After Katie's first Olympics, Yuri went on to coach the men's team at Cal. When Yuri left, Bruce Gemmell was brought in, specifically to coach Katie. He got her to her second Olympics.

And I wouldn't call NCAP a centrally run team, in fact far from it. Many of the sites are privately owned, very much like a franchise.

[Anonymous]

If NCAP AU is good distance wise then Sea Devil Swimming (SDS) has had sites at Wilson and St. Albans as well as Holton, Tollefson ran some programs out of St. Albans also. DCPR runs DC Wave out of the DC public pools and many in DC are happy starting off with them as they are less intense (and much less expensive) than private programs. In that area otherwise you would need to travel out to MD or VA if none of those programs were a match for your child. A smaller, less intense program is often a good transition to winter swimming which is less "fun" than summer swimming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He got poached by Wisconsin bc he trained Ledecky at Prep

I believe Yuri coached the younger group at the Prep site, so he coached Ledecky before her first Olympics. Gemmell definitely claimed to coach her as well. (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/11/sports/swimming-katie-ledecky-coach-bruce-gemmell.html) His son, Andrew Gemmell was also an Olympian and a distance freestyle swimmer.

Yuri was her first coach, that got her to her first Olympics. After Katie's first Olympics, Yuri went on to coach the men's team at Cal. When Yuri left, Bruce Gemmell was brought in, specifically to coach Katie. He got her to her second Olympics.

And I wouldn't call NCAP a centrally run team, in fact far from it. Many of the sites are privately owned, very much like a franchise.

Privately owned? They are all run by one CEO- Tom Ugast. He hires all the coaches for all locations

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He got poached by Wisconsin bc he trained Ledecky at Prep

I believe Yuri coached the younger group at the Prep site, so he coached Ledecky before her first Olympics. Gemmell definitely claimed to coach her as well. (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/11/sports/swimming-katie-ledecky-coach-bruce-gemmell.html) His son, Andrew Gemmell was also an Olympian and a distance freestyle swimmer.

Yuri was her first coach, that got her to her first Olympics. After Katie's first Olympics, Yuri went on to coach the men's team at Cal. When Yuri left, Bruce Gemmell was brought in, specifically to coach Katie. He got her to her second Olympics.

And I wouldn't call NCAP a centrally run team, in fact far from it. Many of the sites are privately owned, very much like a franchise.

Privately owned? They are all run by one CEO- Tom Ugast. He hires all the coaches for all locations

The Alexandria location, for one, is privately owned, by J&M swimming. Check-out there TeamUnify website https://www.teamunify.com/Home.jsp?_tabid_=0&team=pvjandm

Tysons was privately owned until Tom pushed out Marylin 3 years ago.

NCAP West is also privately owned. They were a former team, that merged with NCAP years ago, and just took on their name.

Tom doesn't hire out staffing for all the sites, there are some, but not all. Like I mentioned before they operate locations similar to a franchise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If NCAP AU is good distance wise then Sea Devil Swimming (SDS) has had sites at Wilson and St. Albans as well as Holton, Tollefson ran some programs out of St. Albans also. DCPR runs DC Wave out of the DC public pools and many in DC are happy starting off with them as they are less intense (and much less expensive) than private programs. In that area otherwise you would need to travel out to MD or VA if none of those programs were a match for your child. A smaller, less intense program is often a good transition to winter swimming which is less "fun" than summer swimming.

NCAP AU and SDS have not swum at pools in DC (AU, St. Albans, Wilson) since the pandemic. Those families at NCAP AU have been swimming in outdoor pools in Potomac, Vienna, McLean, Rockville, etc for the past year. sDS has also been swimming in Rockville. There's been no indication yet whether these groups will be back swimming in our normal sites in the fall, so be aware of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He got poached by Wisconsin bc he trained Ledecky at Prep

I believe Yuri coached the younger group at the Prep site, so he coached Ledecky before her first Olympics. Gemmell definitely claimed to coach her as well. (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/11/sports/swimming-katie-ledecky-coach-bruce-gemmell.html) His son, Andrew Gemmell was also an Olympian and a distance freestyle swimmer.

Yuri was her first coach, that got her to her first Olympics. After Katie's first Olympics, Yuri went on to coach the men's team at Cal. When Yuri left, Bruce Gemmell was brought in, specifically to coach Katie. He got her to her second Olympics.

And I wouldn't call NCAP a centrally run team, in fact far from it. Many of the sites are privately owned, very much like a franchise.

Privately owned? They are all run by one CEO- Tom Ugast. He hires all the coaches for all locations

The Alexandria location, for one, is privately owned, by J&M swimming. Check-out there TeamUnify website https://www.teamunify.com/Home.jsp?_tabid_=0&team=pvjandm

Tysons was privately owned until Tom pushed out Marylin 3 years ago.

NCAP West is also privately owned. They were a former team, that merged with NCAP years ago, and just took on their name.

Tom doesn't hire out staffing for all the sites, there are some, but not all. Like I mentioned before they operate locations similar to a franchise.

This is right. Not all NCAP sites are the same. OP should talk to people on their summer swim team about where they swim year round. And just FYI, serious swimmers don't go to summer camp or travel a lot in the summer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If NCAP AU is good distance wise then Sea Devil Swimming (SDS) has had sites at Wilson and St. Albans as well as Holton, Tollefson ran some programs out of St. Albans also. DCPR runs DC Wave out of the DC public pools and many in DC are happy starting off with them as they are less intense (and much less expensive) than private programs. In that area otherwise you would need to travel out to MD or VA if none of those programs were a match for your child. A smaller, less intense program is often a good transition to winter swimming which is less "fun" than summer swimming.

NCAP AU and SDS have not swum at pools in DC (AU, St. Albans, Wilson) since the pandemic. Those families at NCAP AU have been swimming in outdoor pools in Potomac, Vienna, McLean, Rockville, etc for the past year. sDS has also been swimming in Rockville. There's been no indication yet whether these groups will be back swimming in our normal sites in the fall, so be aware of that.

OP, you should talk to the coaches about this. Most pools are reopening in the fall so these teams might be going back to their regular pools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He got poached by Wisconsin bc he trained Ledecky at Prep

I believe Yuri coached the younger group at the Prep site, so he coached Ledecky before her first Olympics. Gemmell definitely claimed to coach her as well. (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/11/sports/swimming-katie-ledecky-coach-bruce-gemmell.html) His son, Andrew Gemmell was also an Olympian and a distance freestyle swimmer.

Yuri was her first coach, that got her to her first Olympics. After Katie's first Olympics, Yuri went on to coach the men's team at Cal. When Yuri left, Bruce Gemmell was brought in, specifically to coach Katie. He got her to her second Olympics.

And I wouldn't call NCAP a centrally run team, in fact far from it. Many of the sites are privately owned, very much like a franchise.

Privately owned? They are all run by one CEO- Tom Ugast. He hires all the coaches for all locations

The Alexandria location, for one, is privately owned, by J&M swimming. Check-out there TeamUnify website https://www.teamunify.com/Home.jsp?_tabid_=0&team=pvjandm

Tysons was privately owned until Tom pushed out Marylin 3 years ago.

NCAP West is also privately owned. They were a former team, that merged with NCAP years ago, and just took on their name.

Tom doesn't hire out staffing for all the sites, there are some, but not all. Like I mentioned before they operate locations similar to a franchise.

This is right. Not all NCAP sites are the same. OP should talk to people on their summer swim team about where they swim year round. And just FYI, serious swimmers don't go to summer camp or travel a lot in the summer.

So if your kid is a serious swimmer both parents can’t work in the summers because you can’t enroll your kid in camp, and you can’t take family vacations 🙄 Maybe if you are Katie Ledecky (news flash you aren’t), but otherwise this is absurd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He got poached by Wisconsin bc he trained Ledecky at Prep

I believe Yuri coached the younger group at the Prep site, so he coached Ledecky before her first Olympics. Gemmell definitely claimed to coach her as well. (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/11/sports/swimming-katie-ledecky-coach-bruce-gemmell.html) His son, Andrew Gemmell was also an Olympian and a distance freestyle swimmer.

Yuri was her first coach, that got her to her first Olympics. After Katie's first Olympics, Yuri went on to coach the men's team at Cal. When Yuri left, Bruce Gemmell was brought in, specifically to coach Katie. He got her to her second Olympics.

And I wouldn't call NCAP a centrally run team, in fact far from it. Many of the sites are privately owned, very much like a franchise.

Privately owned? They are all run by one CEO- Tom Ugast. He hires all the coaches for all locations

The Alexandria location, for one, is privately owned, by J&M swimming. Check-out there TeamUnify website https://www.teamunify.com/Home.jsp?_tabid_=0&team=pvjandm

Tysons was privately owned until Tom pushed out Marylin 3 years ago.

NCAP West is also privately owned. They were a former team, that merged with NCAP years ago, and just took on their name.

Tom doesn't hire out staffing for all the sites, there are some, but not all. Like I mentioned before they operate locations similar to a franchise.

This is right. Not all NCAP sites are the same. OP should talk to people on their summer swim team about where they swim year round. And just FYI, serious swimmers don't go to summer camp or travel a lot in the summer.

So if your kid is a serious swimmer both parents can’t work in the summers because you can’t enroll your kid in camp, and you can’t take family vacations 🙄 Maybe if you are Katie Ledecky (news flash you aren’t), but otherwise this is absurd.

Many, many kids over 12 or 13 don't go to summer camp anymore. If you live near a neighborhood pool, they can spend a couple of years hanging out at the neighborhood pool and doing whatever else you organize for them. By 15, they can be lifeguarding or working elsewhere. Plenty of younger kids go to camp and do swim team. Many swimming families also defer vacation until August because there are long course meets their kids are training for at the end of July or the first week in August. As your kids get older, you'll likely also schedule vacations around whatever activities are important to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He got poached by Wisconsin bc he trained Ledecky at Prep

I believe Yuri coached the younger group at the Prep site, so he coached Ledecky before her first Olympics. Gemmell definitely claimed to coach her as well. (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/11/sports/swimming-katie-ledecky-coach-bruce-gemmell.html) His son, Andrew Gemmell was also an Olympian and a distance freestyle swimmer.

Yuri was her first coach, that got her to her first Olympics. After Katie's first Olympics, Yuri went on to coach the men's team at Cal. When Yuri left, Bruce Gemmell was brought in, specifically to coach Katie. He got her to her second Olympics.

And I wouldn't call NCAP a centrally run team, in fact far from it. Many of the sites are privately owned, very much like a franchise.

Privately owned? They are all run by one CEO- Tom Ugast. He hires all the coaches for all locations

The Alexandria location, for one, is privately owned, by J&M swimming. Check-out there TeamUnify website https://www.teamunify.com/Home.jsp?_tabid_=0&team=pvjandm

Tysons was privately owned until Tom pushed out Marylin 3 years ago.

NCAP West is also privately owned. They were a former team, that merged with NCAP years ago, and just took on their name.

Tom doesn't hire out staffing for all the sites, there are some, but not all. Like I mentioned before they operate locations similar to a franchise.

This is right. Not all NCAP sites are the same. OP should talk to people on their summer swim team about where they swim year round. And just FYI, serious swimmers don't go to summer camp or travel a lot in the summer.

So if your kid is a serious swimmer both parents can’t work in the summers because you can’t enroll your kid in camp, and you can’t take family vacations 🙄 Maybe if you are Katie Ledecky (news flash you aren’t), but otherwise this is absurd.

Many, many kids over 12 or 13 don't go to summer camp anymore. If you live near a neighborhood pool, they can spend a couple of years hanging out at the neighborhood pool and doing whatever else you organize for them. By 15, they can be lifeguarding or working elsewhere. Plenty of younger kids go to camp and do swim team. Many swimming families also defer vacation until August because there are long course meets their kids are training for at the end of July or the first week in August. As your kids get older, you'll likely also schedule vacations around whatever activities are important to them.

All of this is a lot different than the blanket statement that “serious swimmers don’t go to summer camp or travel a lot in the summer”. If your kid is not HS age, it is not expected that a parent quit working in the summer or that there are no family vacations until August. Unless you are an elite level talent, family functions should not be completely at the whim of swim schedules, and I say this as a parent of a kid that loves swimming. The swim parent craziness in this area is next level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He got poached by Wisconsin bc he trained Ledecky at Prep

I believe Yuri coached the younger group at the Prep site, so he coached Ledecky before her first Olympics. Gemmell definitely claimed to coach her as well. (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/11/sports/swimming-katie-ledecky-coach-bruce-gemmell.html) His son, Andrew Gemmell was also an Olympian and a distance freestyle swimmer.

Yuri was her first coach, that got her to her first Olympics. After Katie's first Olympics, Yuri went on to coach the men's team at Cal. When Yuri left, Bruce Gemmell was brought in, specifically to coach Katie. He got her to her second Olympics.

And I wouldn't call NCAP a centrally run team, in fact far from it. Many of the sites are privately owned, very much like a franchise.

Privately owned? They are all run by one CEO- Tom Ugast. He hires all the coaches for all locations

The Alexandria location, for one, is privately owned, by J&M swimming. Check-out there TeamUnify website https://www.teamunify.com/Home.jsp?_tabid_=0&team=pvjandm

Tysons was privately owned until Tom pushed out Marylin 3 years ago.

NCAP West is also privately owned. They were a former team, that merged with NCAP years ago, and just took on their name.

Tom doesn't hire out staffing for all the sites, there are some, but not all. Like I mentioned before they operate locations similar to a franchise.

This is right. Not all NCAP sites are the same. OP should talk to people on their summer swim team about where they swim year round. And just FYI, serious swimmers don't go to summer camp or travel a lot in the summer.

So if your kid is a serious swimmer both parents can’t work in the summers because you can’t enroll your kid in camp, and you can’t take family vacations 🙄 Maybe if you are Katie Ledecky (news flash you aren’t), but otherwise this is absurd.

Many, many kids over 12 or 13 don't go to summer camp anymore. If you live near a neighborhood pool, they can spend a couple of years hanging out at the neighborhood pool and doing whatever else you organize for them. By 15, they can be lifeguarding or working elsewhere. Plenty of younger kids go to camp and do swim team. Many swimming families also defer vacation until August because there are long course meets their kids are training for at the end of July or the first week in August. As your kids get older, you'll likely also schedule vacations around whatever activities are important to them.

All our serious swimmers absolutely delay vacations until after the August championship meets!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He got poached by Wisconsin bc he trained Ledecky at Prep

I believe Yuri coached the younger group at the Prep site, so he coached Ledecky before her first Olympics. Gemmell definitely claimed to coach her as well. (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/11/sports/swimming-katie-ledecky-coach-bruce-gemmell.html) His son, Andrew Gemmell was also an Olympian and a distance freestyle swimmer.

Yuri was her first coach, that got her to her first Olympics. After Katie's first Olympics, Yuri went on to coach the men's team at Cal. When Yuri left, Bruce Gemmell was brought in, specifically to coach Katie. He got her to her second Olympics.

And I wouldn't call NCAP a centrally run team, in fact far from it. Many of the sites are privately owned, very much like a franchise.

Privately owned? They are all run by one CEO- Tom Ugast. He hires all the coaches for all locations

The Alexandria location, for one, is privately owned, by J&M swimming. Check-out there TeamUnify website https://www.teamunify.com/Home.jsp?_tabid_=0&team=pvjandm

Tysons was privately owned until Tom pushed out Marylin 3 years ago.

NCAP West is also privately owned. They were a former team, that merged with NCAP years ago, and just took on their name.

Tom doesn't hire out staffing for all the sites, there are some, but not all. Like I mentioned before they operate locations similar to a franchise.

This is right. Not all NCAP sites are the same. OP should talk to people on their summer swim team about where they swim year round. And just FYI, serious swimmers don't go to summer camp or travel a lot in the summer.

So if your kid is a serious swimmer both parents can’t work in the summers because you can’t enroll your kid in camp, and you can’t take family vacations 🙄 Maybe if you are Katie Ledecky (news flash you aren’t), but otherwise this is absurd.

We delay our vacations till August because ours kids don’t want to miss a meet and beach houses cost less. We have plenty of dual working families on our team. Parents hire babysitters for swim season. If you have multiple kids or a single kid and share the sitter, a babysitter often works out to cost less than camp.

[Anonymous]

The AU is absolutely freestyle and distance site. The top NCAP breaststrokers are currently in Virginia. Also draftee with distance free messing up breast. Many breaststrokers specialize in distance free as second event, as they have excellent lungs (in breast you spend a lot of time underwater, basically). My son was always improving breast when training distance and vice versa.