TJ Class 2025 Admission Data

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That's just monumentally wrong on so many levels. TJ isn't going anywhere.

What you will have is probably a slightly smaller number of kids taking TJ Math 5/6/BC Calc as freshmen. And that's fine. But the level of instruction in those classes isn't going anywhere, believe me.

This is an assertion without evidence. The evidence of what has happened in so many other places suggests otherwise.
Bringing in more minorities, then there will be pressure to have then do well, pressure for grade inflation.
Equity is a major factor for the Fairfax School Board.

This process has happened in so many other places. Some Harvard professors actually give out internal grades to students, while giving them the inflated grades for their transcript.

Believing you over evidence of how colleges have reacted to affirmative action admissions would require some more evidence from you.

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Anonymous wrote:The 1.5% is for calculating the number of spots allotted to each middle school. Each school gets spots amounting to 1.5% of the eighth grade class.

No. It is the top 1.5% are guaranteed seats if they apply. And Students have to have a 3.5 GPA and taken Algebra Honors. I get that there are people on this board who think that is amazingly easy but there are plenty of kids who will not meet one or both of those requirements. The schools that send the fewest students probably have a much larger number of kids who will not have taken Algebra or have a 3.5 GPA.

Heck, I know kids at Carson that will not take Algebra until 9th grade.

Step out of your little bubble and realize that the vast majority of people are not interested in TJ and that the kids that you are so afraid of taking a spot at TJ are not going to be handed it simply because they are attending a school with very few kids at TJ.

Alright - this is from the actual TJ Admissions Website (tjadmissions.org):

Allocated Seats - Our selection process will ensure seats are allocated to all public schools based on 1.5% of their 8th grade student population. Students with the strongest evaluated applications will be offered admissions up to the number allocated to each public school. All remaining eligible students will compete for unallocated seats and/or be placed in the waitpool. In the event a school does not have enough students to fill the allocated seats, the remaining unfilled seats will be included in the unallocated selection process. The 1.5% is designed to provide more proportional opportunities from each of our public middle schools.

Unallocated Seats - Our selection process includes unallocated seats that are not assigned to any specific public middle school. These seats are offered to the highest evaluated applicants who were not offered an allocated seat at the student's school.

This is not especially well-written, but I think the most commonsense reading of this is:

If Public School X has 600 students in 8th grade, they will have 9 allocated seats regardless of county. If they have 9 or fewer applications that are qualified for TJ based on the admissions standards, those 9 students will be offered admission. If any of them decline, those seats will become unallocated seats, likely allowing schools like Carson and Longfellow, and perhaps the high-end privates to pick up some more spots. If they have more than 9, the students will be ranked top to bottom and they will be offered admission in order of ranking until those seats are filled.

Yep. There will be a large number of schools in Loudoun and (especially) Prince William counties that do not fill their allotment - historically, in many of those cases significantly less than 1.5% of their 8th grade class has even applied. Indeed, in PW there will be several schools that do not occupy a single seat in the Class of 2025 - to say nothing of the number of students who will turn down their offer of admission.

I believe the 1.5% per school only applies to FCPS. The other counties have a certain number of seats alloted to the entire county. The allotments are far fewer than 1.5% of the 8th grade student body.

I had thought this was the case too, but found no evidence to support that it only applied to FCPS.

Do the math. Arlington has 7 middle schools that average at least 300-400 students in 8th grade each. That would be 3.5-6 students in the top 1.5% per school. Multiply by 7 and you get 24.5 to 42 students. Arlington is capped at 20 seats. Even if you are in the top 1.5% for your middle school, Getting in to TJ is very, very difficult.

Those must be some impressive kids coming out of Arlington.

Arlington and Falls Church City routinely produce some of the most outstanding, well-rounded kids at TJ.

TJ FCPS parent here. Not rejecting your claim, but wondering what you base it on? Are you a TJ teacher - that would certainly hold some weight. My child has TJ friends from both Arlington and FCC - nice kids, middle of the pack academically like my kid, sports/activities involvement - but not sure I would have identified them as the most outstanding. I am treading carefully here - but based on my limited sample size, the FCC and Arlington kids are typically white, not Indian - is that affecting your opinion?

They are excellent students and as you mentioned, VERY involved in extracurriculars above and beyond just STEM and are leaders in those areas (team captains, talented performers, etc). And they generally do VERY well in the college admissions process as a result.

As to how I know this - not going to out myself, but I've attended every TJ graduation except for COVID ones for over 15 years, and with good reason. I know the vast majority of the faculty and hundreds of the students every year. I'll leave it at that.

OK! Thanks for responding and I will acknowledge your expertise - my sample size is obviously very small.

Thanks!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

That's just monumentally wrong on so many levels. TJ isn't going anywhere.

What you will have is probably a slightly smaller number of kids taking TJ Math 5/6/BC Calc as freshmen. And that's fine. But the level of instruction in those classes isn't going anywhere, believe me.

This is an assertion without evidence. The evidence of what has happened in so many other places suggests otherwise.
Bringing in more minorities, then there will be pressure to have then do well, pressure for grade inflation.
Equity is a major factor for the Fairfax School Board.

This process has happened in so many other places. Some Harvard professors actually give out internal grades to students, while giving them the inflated grades for their transcript.

Believing you over evidence of how colleges have reacted to affirmative action admissions would require some more evidence from you.

Citation desperately needed

What you've cleverly done here is provided what researchers call a "non-falsifiable hypothesis".

"There will be pressure to have them do well, pressure for grade inflation." This statement introduces two possibilities:

1) minority students do well, thus "confirming" your hypothesis based on the framework that these students could never do well without artificial assistance - which tracks nicely with your theory that the only way they'd get into TJ is by lowering standards
2) minority students do poorly, thus "confirming" the idea that they don't belong at TJ to begin with

I can't speak to your motivations or what's in your heart, but your argument style is to a tee how racists justify their racism.

[Anonymous]

Falls Church City sends about 2 a year and many have dropped out early in 9th grade.

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To the PP who asserted that Arlington and FCC kids are the “well-rounded” ones — you need to check your bias against Asian American kids. Such a stereotype.

Furthermore, what is a “Covid graduation”? Last year’s class didn’t get a graduation and this year’s hasn’t happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the PP who asserted that Arlington and FCC kids are the “well-rounded” ones — you need to check your bias against Asian American kids. Such a stereotype.

Furthermore, what is a “Covid graduation”? Last year’s class didn’t get a graduation and this year’s hasn’t happened.

1) Some of them are Asian! Nice try - and way to highlight your own ignorance.

2) The class of 2020 got to come by the school to pick up their diplomas and take photos. I wasn’t there for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Falls Church City sends about 2 a year and many have dropped out early in 9th grade.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP who asserted that Arlington and FCC kids are the “well-rounded” ones — you need to check your bias against Asian American kids. Such a stereotype.

Furthermore, what is a “Covid graduation”? Last year’s class didn’t get a graduation and this year’s hasn’t happened.

1) Some of them are Asian! Nice try - and way to highlight your own ignorance.

2) The class of 2020 got to come by the school to pick up their diplomas and take photos. I wasn’t there for that.

"Some of them are Asian!" What a ridiculous assertion. The percentage of Asian American students from Arlington and FCC is miniscule and nowhere comparable to Fairfax County's students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Falls Church City sends about 2 a year and many have dropped out early in 9th grade.

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False

I think there were two years in a row within the last 4 years that all FCC kids dropped out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP who asserted that Arlington and FCC kids are the “well-rounded” ones — you need to check your bias against Asian American kids. Such a stereotype.

Furthermore, what is a “Covid graduation”? Last year’s class didn’t get a graduation and this year’s hasn’t happened.

1) Some of them are Asian! Nice try - and way to highlight your own ignorance.

2) The class of 2020 got to come by the school to pick up their diplomas and take photos. I wasn’t there for that.

"Some of them are Asian!" What a ridiculous assertion. The percentage of Asian American students from Arlington and FCC is miniscule and nowhere comparable to Fairfax County's students.

So? Being Asian-American doesn't prevent them from being well-rounded. Why would you make that claim?

The students who come in from Arlington are frequently some of the most outstanding, well-rounded kids at TJ. Some of those kids are also Asian-American.

You're grasping at straws to try to support a narrative that doesn't hold up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the PP who asserted that Arlington and FCC kids are the “well-rounded” ones — you need to check your bias against Asian American kids. Such a stereotype.

Furthermore, what is a “Covid graduation”? Last year’s class didn’t get a graduation and this year’s hasn’t happened.

it sounds like the logic train here is

-PP said kids from arlington are very well-rounded
-there arent a lot of asians at tj from arlington
-there are a lot of asians at tj from other places
-therefore PP thinks asians arent well-rounded

thats a big leap between step 2 and 4 that isnt supported by step 3

this logic is flawed

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That's just monumentally wrong on so many levels. TJ isn't going anywhere.

What you will have is probably a slightly smaller number of kids taking TJ Math 5/6/BC Calc as freshmen. And that's fine. But the level of instruction in those classes isn't going anywhere, believe me.

This is an assertion without evidence. The evidence of what has happened in so many other places suggests otherwise.
Bringing in more minorities, then there will be pressure to have then do well, pressure for grade inflation.
Equity is a major factor for the Fairfax School Board.

This process has happened in so many other places. Some Harvard professors actually give out internal grades to students, while giving them the inflated grades for their transcript.

Believing you over evidence of how colleges have reacted to affirmative action admissions would require some more evidence from you.

Citation desperately needed

What you've cleverly done here is provided what researchers call a "non-falsifiable hypothesis".

"There will be pressure to have them do well, pressure for grade inflation." This statement introduces two possibilities:

1) minority students do well, thus "confirming" your hypothesis based on the framework that these students could never do well without artificial assistance - which tracks nicely with your theory that the only way they'd get into TJ is by lowering standards
2) minority students do poorly, thus "confirming" the idea that they don't belong at TJ to begin with

I can't speak to your motivations or what's in your heart, but your argument style is to a tee how racists justify their racism.

Nothing clever about it. There is no need for me to prove this hypothesis. Just stating that this is what some people are expecting to happen, based on what has been observed elsewhere. By the way, I don't limit the inability to do well to black and brown kids, but also whites and Asians who are getting spots due to a school minimum quota.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Mansfield#Views_on_grades_and_affirmative_action

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That's just monumentally wrong on so many levels. TJ isn't going anywhere.

What you will have is probably a slightly smaller number of kids taking TJ Math 5/6/BC Calc as freshmen. And that's fine. But the level of instruction in those classes isn't going anywhere, believe me.

This is an assertion without evidence. The evidence of what has happened in so many other places suggests otherwise.
Bringing in more minorities, then there will be pressure to have then do well, pressure for grade inflation.
Equity is a major factor for the Fairfax School Board.

This process has happened in so many other places. Some Harvard professors actually give out internal grades to students, while giving them the inflated grades for their transcript.

Believing you over evidence of how colleges have reacted to affirmative action admissions would require some more evidence from you.

Citation desperately needed

What you've cleverly done here is provided what researchers call a "non-falsifiable hypothesis".

"There will be pressure to have them do well, pressure for grade inflation." This statement introduces two possibilities:

1) minority students do well, thus "confirming" your hypothesis based on the framework that these students could never do well without artificial assistance - which tracks nicely with your theory that the only way they'd get into TJ is by lowering standards
2) minority students do poorly, thus "confirming" the idea that they don't belong at TJ to begin with

I can't speak to your motivations or what's in your heart, but your argument style is to a tee how racists justify their racism.

Nothing clever about it. There is no need for me to prove this hypothesis. Just stating that this is what some people are expecting to happen, based on what has been observed elsewhere. By the way, I don't limit the inability to do well to black and brown kids, but also whites and Asians who are getting spots due to a school minimum quota.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Mansfield#Views_on_grades_and_affirmative_action

So your citation is of a guy who fought against the concept of affirmative action and grade inflation by..... inflating grades. Well played. At least he knew it was happening.

The whole point I'm making is that there is absolutely no way to prove that this is or is not going to happen at TJ, and therefore just like Tucker Carlson on Fox News, you are sowing the seeds of doubt for no reason other than to undermine a policy that you find disfavorable.

Of course you don't need to prove your hypothesis. There's no proving or disproving it. But you'll get what you want from the status quo crowd because they'll be able to say, "well, how do we know they AREN'T inflating the grades?"

Disgusting. And yes, objectively racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Falls Church City sends about 2 a year and many have dropped out early in 9th grade.

True
False

I think there were two years in a row within the last 4 years that all FCC kids dropped out.

Nope. There are active FCC students in each class currently at TJ who began there in 9th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That's just monumentally wrong on so many levels. TJ isn't going anywhere.

What you will have is probably a slightly smaller number of kids taking TJ Math 5/6/BC Calc as freshmen. And that's fine. But the level of instruction in those classes isn't going anywhere, believe me.

This is an assertion without evidence. The evidence of what has happened in so many other places suggests otherwise.
Bringing in more minorities, then there will be pressure to have then do well, pressure for grade inflation.
Equity is a major factor for the Fairfax School Board.

This process has happened in so many other places. Some Harvard professors actually give out internal grades to students, while giving them the inflated grades for their transcript.

Believing you over evidence of how colleges have reacted to affirmative action admissions would require some more evidence from you.

Citation desperately needed

What you've cleverly done here is provided what researchers call a "non-falsifiable hypothesis".

"There will be pressure to have them do well, pressure for grade inflation." This statement introduces two possibilities:

1) minority students do well, thus "confirming" your hypothesis based on the framework that these students could never do well without artificial assistance - which tracks nicely with your theory that the only way they'd get into TJ is by lowering standards
2) minority students do poorly, thus "confirming" the idea that they don't belong at TJ to begin with

I can't speak to your motivations or what's in your heart, but your argument style is to a tee how racists justify their racism.

Nothing clever about it. There is no need for me to prove this hypothesis. Just stating that this is what some people are expecting to happen, based on what has been observed elsewhere. By the way, I don't limit the inability to do well to black and brown kids, but also whites and Asians who are getting spots due to a school minimum quota.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Mansfield#Views_on_grades_and_affirmative_action

So your citation is of a guy who fought against the concept of affirmative action and grade inflation by..... inflating grades. Well played. At least he knew it was happening.

The whole point I'm making is that there is absolutely no way to prove that this is or is not going to happen at TJ, and therefore just like Tucker Carlson on Fox News, you are sowing the seeds of doubt for no reason other than to undermine a policy that you find disfavorable.

Of course you don't need to prove your hypothesis. There's no proving or disproving it. But you'll get what you want from the status quo crowd because they'll be able to say, "well, how do we know they AREN'T inflating the grades?"

Disgusting. And yes, objectively racist.

people like this dont know theyre racist. you have to be patient with them. my parents used to believe that crap too, its natural