APS School Board Caucus - Voting Underway

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I borrowed a campaign worker's pen once to fill out an absentee ballot. Was that wrong too? Or only when the tool to vote has a screen?

Seriously, what is the harm you're trying to invent by claiming that there's some norm against using a campaign supplied tablet to vote in a private caucus?

Why were you near a campaign worker while you were filling out an absentee ballot? Weren't they all mailed home. So you carried it around and then didn't fill it out until you were near a campaign worker. Seems...weird.

You really need me to explain all of the reasons why it's - at best - inappropriate for candidate to provide the electronic device that is being used to vote? Disingenuous BS.

DP- I honestly have no issue whatsoever voting on a electronic device provided by a candidate. Anything that increases the vote is okay in my mind. What exactly do you think is the potential harm here? Do you think a candidate is somehow altering a vote so that it is recorded differently? That would require quite a bit of technological knowledge and also would involve a fairly vast number of people in at least potentially criminal activity. Do you think a candidate is tracking how people voted? Again, would require a fair amount of technological know how- and what is the concern about what the campaign would do with the information?

I really think this is a reaction to terrified dems who are afraid that Miranda is going to win the dem caucus.

Because you are inputting your personal information (name, address, birthdate, verification codes) onto someone's personal device? That type of information regularly is used for hacking purposes. Voting in an official election, if done remotely, should at least be done on your own device, with some semblance of online privacy.

Are you really concerned that the Turner campaign is going around committing felony computer fraud? First of all, that's already illegal. Second, if a voter is willing to take that completely miniscule risk to vote, why would you stand in the way of that?

You guys can't even handle quoting posts on DCUM. Why would I listen to anything you say about technology?

And it's very clear you never had to take yourself off of that Krieger mailing list. I'll never willingly give my personal information to any of those nuts.

Anyway, it's sketchy AT BEST.

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I borrowed a campaign worker's pen once to fill out an absentee ballot. Was that wrong too? Or only when the tool to vote has a screen?

Seriously, what is the harm you're trying to invent by claiming that there's some norm against using a campaign supplied tablet to vote in a private caucus?

Why were you near a campaign worker while you were filling out an absentee ballot? Weren't they all mailed home. So you carried it around and then didn't fill it out until you were near a campaign worker. Seems...weird.

You really need me to explain all of the reasons why it's - at best - inappropriate for candidate to provide the electronic device that is being used to vote? Disingenuous BS.

DP- I honestly have no issue whatsoever voting on a electronic device provided by a candidate. Anything that increases the vote is okay in my mind. What exactly do you think is the potential harm here? Do you think a candidate is somehow altering a vote so that it is recorded differently? That would require quite a bit of technological knowledge and also would involve a fairly vast number of people in at least potentially criminal activity. Do you think a candidate is tracking how people voted? Again, would require a fair amount of technological know how- and what is the concern about what the campaign would do with the information?

I really think this is a reaction to terrified dems who are afraid that Miranda is going to win the dem caucus.

Because you are inputting your personal information (name, address, birthdate, verification codes) onto someone's personal device? That type of information regularly is used for hacking purposes. Voting in an official election, if done remotely, should at least be done on your own device, with some semblance of online privacy.

Name, address and birthdate are very easy to obtain from public source. Heck, if you just make up a reason any member of the public can request a copy of the registered voter list from the state to get all that information and more. No one is going to hack secure voting software to get that.

There is no need to "hack" secure voting software if get someone to use your iPad. The browser on the iPad will easily store the data.

Do you really not know this?

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Anonymous wrote:Given all of the apparently insecurities in this caucus process, we should be skeptical of the result no matter who wins, right? Even if it's Mary?

Are people actually out with iPads though?

If they are I think we need some sort of additional verification that the vote went through - re-email people to confirm their vote a week later. If people don't get confirmation then there may be an issue.

Have you done your caucus vote yet? In order to vote, first you have to fill out personal information that must match your vote registration to be counted. After you vote, they give you a ballot confirmation number you can use to track your ballot later. If you go back to the site to check your ballot using the confirmation number, it will show you a copy of the official ballot with who you voted for.

Given all of that, no one is going to start altering ballots because it's too easy for people to check their ballot later and confirm whether it indicates the right candidate. If it doesn't, that will get reported quickly and the result invalidated if it appears that one of the campaigns was somehow tampering.

1) You want to give random campaign worker your personal information and ballot confirmation number?

2) How do people get copy of the confirmation number from some random iPad? Are these campaign workers printing them out?

Dear lord. Those campaign workers probably already have my name, address and birth date because the campaign likely requested a copy of the Virginia registered voter rolls long ago.

I took a photo of my ballot confirmation number with my phone after completing it on my computer. You could also write it down with a pen and paper.

The rest of this seems to be pretty deep into crazy territory. You think campaign volunteers are going to surreptitiously screen shot your personal information and ballot number (which would require multiple screen shots while the voter is the middle of completing their ballot) so they can do what? Go back and look at your ballot later to see who you voted for and then do absolutely nothing with that information? The conspiracy theories are getting pretty nutty here.

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Anonymous wrote:Given all of the apparently insecurities in this caucus process, we should be skeptical of the result no matter who wins, right? Even if it's Mary?

Are people actually out with iPads though?

If they are I think we need some sort of additional verification that the vote went through - re-email people to confirm their vote a week later. If people don't get confirmation then there may be an issue.

Have you done your caucus vote yet? In order to vote, first you have to fill out personal information that must match your vote registration to be counted. After you vote, they give you a ballot confirmation number you can use to track your ballot later. If you go back to the site to check your ballot using the confirmation number, it will show you a copy of the official ballot with who you voted for.

Given all of that, no one is going to start altering ballots because it's too easy for people to check their ballot later and confirm whether it indicates the right candidate. If it doesn't, that will get reported quickly and the result invalidated if it appears that one of the campaigns was somehow tampering.

1) You want to give random campaign worker your personal information and ballot confirmation number?

2) How do people get copy of the confirmation number from some random iPad? Are these campaign workers printing them out?

Dear lord. Those campaign workers probably already have my name, address and birth date because the campaign likely requested a copy of the Virginia registered voter rolls long ago.

I took a photo of my ballot confirmation number with my phone after completing it on my computer. You could also write it down with a pen and paper.

The rest of this seems to be pretty deep into crazy territory. You think campaign volunteers are going to surreptitiously screen shot your personal information and ballot number (which would require multiple screen shots while the voter is the middle of completing their ballot) so they can do what? Go back and look at your ballot later to see who you voted for and then do absolutely nothing with that information? The conspiracy theories are getting pretty nutty here.

No - the data is saved in fields in the browser - no need to screenshot anything???

This is pretty basic browser functionality...I assume you've used a browser before?

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Anonymous wrote:Given all of the apparently insecurities in this caucus process, we should be skeptical of the result no matter who wins, right? Even if it's Mary?

Are people actually out with iPads though?

If they are I think we need some sort of additional verification that the vote went through - re-email people to confirm their vote a week later. If people don't get confirmation then there may be an issue.

Have you done your caucus vote yet? In order to vote, first you have to fill out personal information that must match your vote registration to be counted. After you vote, they give you a ballot confirmation number you can use to track your ballot later. If you go back to the site to check your ballot using the confirmation number, it will show you a copy of the official ballot with who you voted for.

Given all of that, no one is going to start altering ballots because it's too easy for people to check their ballot later and confirm whether it indicates the right candidate. If it doesn't, that will get reported quickly and the result invalidated if it appears that one of the campaigns was somehow tampering.

1) You want to give random campaign worker your personal information and ballot confirmation number?

2) How do people get copy of the confirmation number from some random iPad? Are these campaign workers printing them out?

Dear lord. Those campaign workers probably already have my name, address and birth date because the campaign likely requested a copy of the Virginia registered voter rolls long ago.

I took a photo of my ballot confirmation number with my phone after completing it on my computer. You could also write it down with a pen and paper.

The rest of this seems to be pretty deep into crazy territory. You think campaign volunteers are going to surreptitiously screen shot your personal information and ballot number (which would require multiple screen shots while the voter is the middle of completing their ballot) so they can do what? Go back and look at your ballot later to see who you voted for and then do absolutely nothing with that information? The conspiracy theories are getting pretty nutty here.

No - the data is saved in fields in the browser - no need to screenshot anything???

This is pretty basic browser functionality...I assume you've used a browser before?

The ballot confirmation number would not be saved in a data field. And the data that is, the campaign already has.

So again, in your nightmare parade of horribles, what is the campaign going to do with this data you are so convinced they are harvesting?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Given all of the apparently insecurities in this caucus process, we should be skeptical of the result no matter who wins, right? Even if it's Mary?

Are people actually out with iPads though?

If they are I think we need some sort of additional verification that the vote went through - re-email people to confirm their vote a week later. If people don't get confirmation then there may be an issue.

Have you done your caucus vote yet? In order to vote, first you have to fill out personal information that must match your vote registration to be counted. After you vote, they give you a ballot confirmation number you can use to track your ballot later. If you go back to the site to check your ballot using the confirmation number, it will show you a copy of the official ballot with who you voted for.

Given all of that, no one is going to start altering ballots because it's too easy for people to check their ballot later and confirm whether it indicates the right candidate. If it doesn't, that will get reported quickly and the result invalidated if it appears that one of the campaigns was somehow tampering.

1) You want to give random campaign worker your personal information and ballot confirmation number?

2) How do people get copy of the confirmation number from some random iPad? Are these campaign workers printing them out?

Dear lord. Those campaign workers probably already have my name, address and birth date because the campaign likely requested a copy of the Virginia registered voter rolls long ago.

I took a photo of my ballot confirmation number with my phone after completing it on my computer. You could also write it down with a pen and paper.

The rest of this seems to be pretty deep into crazy territory. You think campaign volunteers are going to surreptitiously screen shot your personal information and ballot number (which would require multiple screen shots while the voter is the middle of completing their ballot) so they can do what? Go back and look at your ballot later to see who you voted for and then do absolutely nothing with that information? The conspiracy theories are getting pretty nutty here.

No - the data is saved in fields in the browser - no need to screenshot anything???

This is pretty basic browser functionality...I assume you've used a browser before?

The ballot confirmation number would not be saved in a data field. And the data that is, the campaign already has.

So again, in your nightmare parade of horribles, what is the campaign going to do with this data you are so convinced they are harvesting?

I’m not “convinced” they are doing it.

Just saying that - or worse things - could easily happen which makes it _inappropriate_.

Why cross that line? It makes me question their methods and integrity. If she’s willing to do inappropriate things during her campaign what would she do on the SB?

[Anonymous]

Just ran into a volunteer for Miranda’s campaign. They didn’t have an iPad. They just were handing cards at a park and telling folks they can scan the QR code to vote. I had a lovely conversation and asked if they were providing voting devices (after seeing this thread). She looked at me with confusion and said there were inperson voting options if unneeded help.

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Anonymous wrote:Just ran into a volunteer for Miranda’s campaign. They didn’t have an iPad. They just were handing cards at a park and telling folks they can scan the QR code to vote. I had a lovely conversation and asked if they were providing voting devices (after seeing this thread). She looked at me with confusion and said there were inperson voting options if unneeded help.

Thanks, “volunteer”

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Anonymous wrote:Just ran into a volunteer for Miranda’s campaign. They didn’t have an iPad. They just were handing cards at a park and telling folks they can scan the QR code to vote. I had a lovely conversation and asked if they were providing voting devices (after seeing this thread). She looked at me with confusion and said there were inperson voting options if unneeded help.

Thanks, “volunteer”

Glad to hear they aren’t actually doing it.

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Anonymous wrote:Just ran into a volunteer for Miranda’s campaign. They didn’t have an iPad. They just were handing cards at a park and telling folks they can scan the QR code to vote. I had a lovely conversation and asked if they were providing voting devices (after seeing this thread). She looked at me with confusion and said there were inperson voting options if unneeded help.

Thanks, “volunteer”

Glad to hear they aren’t actually doing it.

I don't think Miranda Turner's campaign ever had the intention of handing iPads over to voters. They're just GOTV-ing in public spaces, like any good volunteer.

It's Mary Kadera who planted that idea in our collective heads.

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Anonymous wrote:Just ran into a volunteer for Miranda’s campaign. They didn’t have an iPad. They just were handing cards at a park and telling folks they can scan the QR code to vote. I had a lovely conversation and asked if they were providing voting devices (after seeing this thread). She looked at me with confusion and said there were inperson voting options if unneeded help.

Thanks, “volunteer”

Glad to hear they aren’t actually doing it.

I don't think Miranda Turner's campaign ever had the intention of handing iPads over to voters. They're just GOTV-ing in public spaces, like any good volunteer.

It's Mary Kadera who planted that idea in our collective heads.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Not probably. Definitely.

Voted for Miranda today!

I thought Mary was a little nutty to have sent the email last week about harvesting votes. But then I saw this in Miranda's latest newsletter where she all but admits her campaign will be doing that: "Just as we wouldn't hesitate to drive a voter to the polls, we likewise will be prepared to supply internet through a hotspot and answer questions about the process, while otherwise encouraging voters to vote on their own devices".

Miranda is a one-issue candidate whose one-issue won't even be relevant by fall when schools are fully open.

Oh wow! Is that legal?

Probably technically legal, but still shady AF. Generally people have to stay a certain distance away from someone else who's casting a vote, but I doubt Miranda's team of roving vote seekers will do that. Are they planning to post up at The Lot and harangue people to vote?

My question is how did Kadera's campaign know that Turner would solicit voters on the street to vote in their presence? This seems oddly specific to complain about.

DP. I think it's entirely possible they did.

But for every person who is opposed to a campaign trying to facilitate participation in the caucus, assuming there is no vote tampering going on (and there's no evidence there is), what is your actual objection? Did you object back in November when campaigns coordinated food and water donations to people waiting in long voter lines? Do you object to campaigns sending out information to prospective voters on how to make sure they're registered and what to do if someone challenges their right to vote at the polls? Do you object to local political parties offering free rides to polls provided by volunteers to people who otherwise might not be able to get to their voting site on election day?

These are all things that Democrats do every election, and we support those efforts because it encourages people to vote and reduces barriers to participation. If either of the candidates is trying to help facilitate participation, particularly in a caucus that will effectively decide the election in an atypical year where many people may not understand how to participate, that's not a bad thing. Let's not presume malicious intent just because we prefer the other candidate.

Were Democrats encouraging people to vote using devices that Democrats provided?

I'm all for facilitating participation as long as we aren't using technology provided by a candidate to place vote.

You people sound like Trumpsters complaining about mail-in ballots. If Turner's volunteers are going around with a wifi hotspot and a tablet to help people vote, who cares??

Oh you don't think it's trustworthy? Why? How is it any different from ballot harvesting? Or putting a ballot drop-box outside a church?

The caucus is has a problem with low-turnout in general, and the online system is only likely to exacerbate that. If you have a problem with Turner's efforts to boost turnout, then get off your duff and go out with a tablet of your own.

I care. I don't think any candidate should be allowed to have people VOTE on the candidate's devices.

Who actually thinks that is appropriate?

Y’all...this is such foolishness. How many people don’t already have a voting device on themselves AKA their own cellphone? Why are people making a BFD about something that probably wouldn’t even need to come into play?

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Anonymous wrote:Just ran into a volunteer for Miranda’s campaign. They didn’t have an iPad. They just were handing cards at a park and telling folks they can scan the QR code to vote. I had a lovely conversation and asked if they were providing voting devices (after seeing this thread). She looked at me with confusion and said there were inperson voting options if unneeded help.

So Kadera’s supporters are spreading conspiracy theories? That figures.

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Anonymous wrote:Not probably. Definitely.

Voted for Miranda today!

I think Symone will run again and will beat either Mary or Miranda, at least I hope so

I like Symone and would love to have her on the school board, but I just don't think an independent can win in Arlington. Not as long as we hand voters a "sample ballot" with the caucus winner's name on it.

Symone is a nightmare, please don’t let her run again!!

Like who we have on their now are not nightmare's! I try not to think of how disappointing they were in the return to school issue. we need someone like Symone to shake things up! I will vote for Mary for now, but if Symone runs again would definitely vote for her again.

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Anonymous wrote:Not probably. Definitely.

Voted for Miranda today!

I think Symone will run again and will beat either Mary or Miranda, at least I hope so

I like Symone and would love to have her on the school board, but I just don't think an independent can win in Arlington. Not as long as we hand voters a "sample ballot" with the caucus winner's name on it.

Symone is a nightmare, please don’t let her run again!!

Like who we have on their now are not nightmare's! I try not to think of how disappointing they were in the return to school issue. we need someone like Symone to shake things up! I will vote for Mary for now, but if Symone runs again would definitely vote for her again.

If you think RTS was a disaster, Miranda is your candidate. If you think APS handled it just fine, Mary is your candidate.