Study: "Discussions of D.C. public school options in an online forum" (yes, this one)

[Anonymous]

there are many instances when white people will choose segregation over a better school.

When certain suburbs and schools become too asian, white people move out:

https://psmag.com/news/ghosts-of-white-people-past-witnessing-white-flight-from-an-asian-ethnoburb

Many of the "highly regarded" charter schools east-of-the-park are objectively worse than the DCPS schools in the same neighborhoods, but are (or were) whiter. White parents move their kids there to be with other white kids.


I think it's reasonable to question why white parents don't encourage their kids to apply to Bannaker...

[Anonymous]

the writer of this study is involved in the "integrated schools" movement.

I think some of the conversations there have led parents to believe that the main hold-up to integrated schools is white parents who chose segregation over and over again for individual reasons. As a trend, this makes integrated schools impossible. It calls into question the ethics of "i have to do the best thing for me kid."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just a funny observation- shining stars comes up several times as a frequently mentioned school... but I’m pretty sure every post I’ve ever seen about it is negative

No, it used to be popular then met a downfall. I should know we listed it third on our list once, got great number, matched, then the negative posts started and we panicked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a funny observation- shining stars comes up several times as a frequently mentioned school... but I’m pretty sure every post I’ve ever seen about it is negative

No, it used to be popular then met a downfall. I should know we listed it third on our list once, got great number, matched, then the negative posts started and we panicked.

+1 pp is right. It used to be viewed as an up and coming charter school on this forum. I forgot what happened, but it fell out of favor. It supports another precious post about how some IB dcps perform better than some charters, but the charters have more white students, so it gets a certain buzz.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:there are many instances when white people will choose segregation over a better school.

When certain suburbs and schools become too asian, white people move out:

https://psmag.com/news/ghosts-of-white-people-past-witnessing-white-flight-from-an-asian-ethnoburb

Many of the "highly regarded" charter schools east-of-the-park are objectively worse than the DCPS schools in the same neighborhoods, but are (or were) whiter. White parents move their kids there to be with other white kids.


I think it's reasonable to question why white parents don't encourage their kids to apply to Bannaker...

which charter schools? I can’t think of any that meet that description.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the writer of this study is involved in the "integrated schools" movement.

I think some of the conversations there have led parents to believe that the main hold-up to integrated schools is white parents who chose segregation over and over again for individual reasons. As a trend, this makes integrated schools impossible. It calls into question the ethics of "i have to do the best thing for me kid."

how in the world do they believe they are going to achieve integrated schools if they steadfastly deny that parents have any right to care about school quality? it’s too much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there are many instances when white people will choose segregation over a better school.

When certain suburbs and schools become too asian, white people move out:

https://psmag.com/news/ghosts-of-white-people-past-witnessing-white-flight-from-an-asian-ethnoburb

Many of the "highly regarded" charter schools east-of-the-park are objectively worse than the DCPS schools in the same neighborhoods, but are (or were) whiter. White parents move their kids there to be with other white kids.


I think it's reasonable to question why white parents don't encourage their kids to apply to Bannaker...

which charter schools? I can’t think of any that meet that description.

I’ll play. How about creative minds charter school. It had buzz a few years ago, but Burroughs in the same neighborhood outperformed it. The stars system that was put in place a couple years ago makes it easier to compare schools, but that wasn’t available until recently.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree with the article being bad.


The one question I have for everyone is if wealthy white parents don’t segregate then why is there such a low number of white kids at Banneker? In all my years of living in DC and reading DCUMs, this is the one school that supports the argument.

I agree. I have come to think that white parents are actually scared of Banneker because they think it will be too hard and their kid will have no privileges.

Maybe. I still think there is some cultural holdovers that majority minority school are always “less than” majority white schools. Also “more strict” I have read that about Shepherd ES too, which was not even close to my experience.

PP here. Oh yeah, I totally believe the “too strict” cultural belief is there. To be fair you hear a lot of similar critique of Basis. The real question is why Basis parents won’t consider Banneker.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:the writer of this study is involved in the "integrated schools" movement.

I think some of the conversations there have led parents to believe that the main hold-up to integrated schools is white parents who chose segregation over and over again for individual reasons. As a trend, this makes integrated schools impossible. It calls into question the ethics of "i have to do the best thing for me kid."

how in the world do they believe they are going to achieve integrated schools if they steadfastly deny that parents have any right to care about school quality? it’s too much.

it's about the need to "optimize" -- does your kid, who already has many privileges, also need to be at the "best" school? will he be totally fine and maybe even thrive at a less-than-best school? if many people start thinking that way, will we slowly start to see more integrated schools, instead of the de facto segregation that obviously exists?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there are many instances when white people will choose segregation over a better school.

When certain suburbs and schools become too asian, white people move out:

https://psmag.com/news/ghosts-of-white-people-past-witnessing-white-flight-from-an-asian-ethnoburb

Many of the "highly regarded" charter schools east-of-the-park are objectively worse than the DCPS schools in the same neighborhoods, but are (or were) whiter. White parents move their kids there to be with other white kids.


I think it's reasonable to question why white parents don't encourage their kids to apply to Bannaker...

which charter schools? I can’t think of any that meet that description.

I’ll play. How about creative minds charter school. It had buzz a few years ago, but Burroughs in the same neighborhood outperformed it. The stars system that was put in place a couple years ago makes it easier to compare schools, but that wasn’t available until recently.

oh, interesting. yeah, I can see DCUM having a role in creating an echo chamber like that. Like Paybe has test scores just as good as TRY but Payne is still somewhat suspect on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the writer of this study is involved in the "integrated schools" movement.

I think some of the conversations there have led parents to believe that the main hold-up to integrated schools is white parents who chose segregation over and over again for individual reasons. As a trend, this makes integrated schools impossible. It calls into question the ethics of "i have to do the best thing for me kid."

Wilson is an integrated school that has white parents paying $1 million to buy into being zoned for. Going to Wilson is not "choosing segregation." Anyone who is critiquing parents sending their kids to Wilson but not, say, Eastern on the grounds that Wilson is the segregated one doesn't understand what those words mean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the writer of this study is involved in the "integrated schools" movement.

I think some of the conversations there have led parents to believe that the main hold-up to integrated schools is white parents who chose segregation over and over again for individual reasons. As a trend, this makes integrated schools impossible. It calls into question the ethics of "i have to do the best thing for me kid."

how in the world do they believe they are going to achieve integrated schools if they steadfastly deny that parents have any right to care about school quality? it’s too much.

it's about the need to "optimize" -- does your kid, who already has many privileges, also need to be at the "best" school? will he be totally fine and maybe even thrive at a less-than-best school? if many people start thinking that way, will we slowly start to see more integrated schools, instead of the de facto segregation that obviously exists?

PPs have talked about their IB MS having 6th graders reading from board books. I don’t think this can be boiled down to “optimizing” for our kids.
I also want to see where the authors of these studies send their kids to school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the writer of this study is involved in the "integrated schools" movement.

I think some of the conversations there have led parents to believe that the main hold-up to integrated schools is white parents who chose segregation over and over again for individual reasons. As a trend, this makes integrated schools impossible. It calls into question the ethics of "i have to do the best thing for me kid."

how in the world do they believe they are going to achieve integrated schools if they steadfastly deny that parents have any right to care about school quality? it’s too much.

it's about the need to "optimize" -- does your kid, who already has many privileges, also need to be at the "best" school? will he be totally fine and maybe even thrive at a less-than-best school? if many people start thinking that way, will we slowly start to see more integrated schools, instead of the de facto segregation that obviously exists?

We live next door to Fairfax County and Montgomery County. If I were determined to send my kids to the "best" school, we would not be living in DC.

[Anonymous]

There are people on Twitter talking about this article and other DCUM things, making it clear they know about this site.

Don’t they know that the first rule of DCUM is — you don’t admit you know about DCUM?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there are many instances when white people will choose segregation over a better school.

When certain suburbs and schools become too asian, white people move out:

https://psmag.com/news/ghosts-of-white-people-past-witnessing-white-flight-from-an-asian-ethnoburb

Many of the "highly regarded" charter schools east-of-the-park are objectively worse than the DCPS schools in the same neighborhoods, but are (or were) whiter. White parents move their kids there to be with other white kids.


I think it's reasonable to question why white parents don't encourage their kids to apply to Bannaker...

which charter schools? I can’t think of any that meet that description.

I’ll play. How about creative minds charter school. It had buzz a few years ago, but Burroughs in the same neighborhood outperformed it. The stars system that was put in place a couple years ago makes it easier to compare schools, but that wasn’t available until recently.

oh, interesting. yeah, I can see DCUM having a role in creating an echo chamber like that. Like Paybe has test scores just as good as TRY but Payne is still somewhat suspect on DCUM.

+1. i think the echo chamber is what the study's author is trying to get at