Teacher Question: Concurrent Teaching and Supervising Other Students

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If kids aren't vaccinated by the next school year, this mess could continue. Then they'll see an even bigger wave of teachers saying "No way" and leaving.

Kids won't be vaccinated. Certainly not young kids. Good riddance to any teachers that continue to be obstinate. If enough leave, then we'll be able to tear down the current system and rebuild it better.

That being said, we're not going to see that. As we've seen everywhere else, teachers overwhelmingly return, despite their threats, since a $70k+ salary with health/vision/dental insurance and a generous pension are going to be tough for them to replace.

Quite a few people returning this year in my district do not plan to return next year. Those are mostly “early” retirements of people who have 30 years in, but are in their 50s or early 60s so they can’t get full SS yet. There are also people who are novices or were career changers with only 5 years invested who can go back to school or return to their previous field.

So? Both of those examples happen every year.

And given how much more money semi-elderly teachers make compared to their younger colleagues, losing some of those old teachers could a long way in addressing the budget shortfalls many districts are going to experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If kids aren't vaccinated by the next school year, this mess could continue. Then they'll see an even bigger wave of teachers saying "No way" and leaving.

Kids won't be vaccinated. Certainly not young kids. Good riddance to any teachers that continue to be obstinate. If enough leave, then we'll be able to tear down the current system and rebuild it better.

That being said, we're not going to see that. As we've seen everywhere else, teachers overwhelmingly return, despite their threats, since a $70k+ salary with health/vision/dental insurance and a generous pension are going to be tough for them to replace.

Quite a few people returning this year in my district do not plan to return next year. Those are mostly “early” retirements of people who have 30 years in, but are in their 50s or early 60s so they can’t get full SS yet. There are also people who are novices or were career changers with only 5 years invested who can go back to school or return to their previous field.

So? Both of those examples happen every year.

And given how much more money semi-elderly teachers make compared to their younger colleagues, losing some of those old teachers could a long way in addressing the budget shortfalls many districts are going to experience.

50-early 60s is hardly semi-elderly.

But you also get what you pay for when it comes to teacher experience and education. If you think shedding mid-career teachers with masters and higher is going to be worth saving some money, you could just move to a state that funds its schools less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If kids aren't vaccinated by the next school year, this mess could continue. Then they'll see an even bigger wave of teachers saying "No way" and leaving.

Kids won't be vaccinated. Certainly not young kids. Good riddance to any teachers that continue to be obstinate. If enough leave, then we'll be able to tear down the current system and rebuild it better.

That being said, we're not going to see that. As we've seen everywhere else, teachers overwhelmingly return, despite their threats, since a $70k+ salary with health/vision/dental insurance and a generous pension are going to be tough for them to replace.

Quite a few people returning this year in my district do not plan to return next year. Those are mostly “early” retirements of people who have 30 years in, but are in their 50s or early 60s so they can’t get full SS yet. There are also people who are novices or were career changers with only 5 years invested who can go back to school or return to their previous field.

So? Both of those examples happen every year.

And given how much more money semi-elderly teachers make compared to their younger colleagues, losing some of those old teachers could a long way in addressing the budget shortfalls many districts are going to experience.

50-early 60s is hardly semi-elderly.

But you also get what you pay for when it comes to teacher experience and education. If you think shedding mid-career teachers with masters and higher is going to be worth saving some money, you could just move to a state that funds its schools less.

Of course it is. Elderly starts at 65. A lot of teachers are just coasting at that point until they can collect their pensions.

It is unfortunate what's gone on with masters degrees in education. You used to see teachers getting an M.S. or an M.A. in their subject area. Now most are getting M.Ed. degrees because districts require it for salary increases. I couldn't care less about losing teachers with M.Ed. degrees.

[Anonymous]

Here’s what I am willing to do to make this model work: nothing. It is a ridiculous expectation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If kids aren't vaccinated by the next school year, this mess could continue. Then they'll see an even bigger wave of teachers saying "No way" and leaving.

Kids won't be vaccinated. Certainly not young kids. Good riddance to any teachers that continue to be obstinate. If enough leave, then we'll be able to tear down the current system and rebuild it better.

That being said, we're not going to see that. As we've seen everywhere else, teachers overwhelmingly return, despite their threats, since a $70k+ salary with health/vision/dental insurance and a generous pension are going to be tough for them to replace.

Quite a few people returning this year in my district do not plan to return next year. Those are mostly “early” retirements of people who have 30 years in, but are in their 50s or early 60s so they can’t get full SS yet. There are also people who are novices or were career changers with only 5 years invested who can go back to school or return to their previous field.

So? Both of those examples happen every year.

And given how much more money semi-elderly teachers make compared to their younger colleagues, losing some of those old teachers could a long way in addressing the budget shortfalls many districts are going to experience.

50-early 60s is hardly semi-elderly.

But you also get what you pay for when it comes to teacher experience and education. If you think shedding mid-career teachers with masters and higher is going to be worth saving some money, you could just move to a state that funds its schools less.

Of course it is. Elderly starts at 65. A lot of teachers are just coasting at that point until they can collect their pensions.

It is unfortunate what's gone on with masters degrees in education. You used to see teachers getting an M.S. or an M.A. in their subject area. Now most are getting M.Ed. degrees because districts require it for salary increases. I couldn't care less about losing teachers with M.Ed. degrees.

DP. I wouldn’t bet on it being mostly 60+ year olds or people with M.Ed degrees leaving. We had to do intent forms two weeks ago and we are losing roughly one teacher per grade level. In certain departments like special ed, it’s a lot higher. Most of these people have a Master’s in their subject area and are really good at what they do. We are also losing a lot of support staff who are overqualified for their jobs. They’ll be replaced, but probably not with someone who can really help a struggling reader with decoding or show a 2E 6th grader how to break down advanced math. Are you the same poster who said anyone who didn’t come back could/ would be easily replaced? If so, check out the long term sub vacancy list right now. There are a lot of “immediate need” positions open right now. Most won’t be filled with anyone qualified, if they get filled at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If kids aren't vaccinated by the next school year, this mess could continue. Then they'll see an even bigger wave of teachers saying "No way" and leaving.

Kids won't be vaccinated. Certainly not young kids. Good riddance to any teachers that continue to be obstinate. If enough leave, then we'll be able to tear down the current system and rebuild it better.

That being said, we're not going to see that. As we've seen everywhere else, teachers overwhelmingly return, despite their threats, since a $70k+ salary with health/vision/dental insurance and a generous pension are going to be tough for them to replace.

Quite a few people returning this year in my district do not plan to return next year. Those are mostly “early” retirements of people who have 30 years in, but are in their 50s or early 60s so they can’t get full SS yet. There are also people who are novices or were career changers with only 5 years invested who can go back to school or return to their previous field.

So? Both of those examples happen every year.

And given how much more money semi-elderly teachers make compared to their younger colleagues, losing some of those old teachers could a long way in addressing the budget shortfalls many districts are going to experience.

50-early 60s is hardly semi-elderly.

But you also get what you pay for when it comes to teacher experience and education. If you think shedding mid-career teachers with masters and higher is going to be worth saving some money, you could just move to a state that funds its schools less.

Of course it is. Elderly starts at 65. A lot of teachers are just coasting at that point until they can collect their pensions.

It is unfortunate what's gone on with masters degrees in education. You used to see teachers getting an M.S. or an M.A. in their subject area. Now most are getting M.Ed. degrees because districts require it for salary increases. I couldn't care less about losing teachers with M.Ed. degrees.

DP. I wouldn’t bet on it being mostly 60+ year olds or people with M.Ed degrees leaving. We had to do intent forms two weeks ago and we are losing roughly one teacher per grade level. In certain departments like special ed, it’s a lot higher. Most of these people have a Master’s in their subject area and are really good at what they do. We are also losing a lot of support staff who are overqualified for their jobs. They’ll be replaced, but probably not with someone who can really help a struggling reader with decoding or show a 2E 6th grader how to break down advanced math. Are you the same poster who said anyone who didn’t come back could/ would be easily replaced? If so, check out the long term sub vacancy list right now. There are a lot of “immediate need” positions open right now. Most won’t be filled with anyone qualified, if they get filled at all.

This is what’s happening at my school at the moment. Two of my colleagues had longterm subs scheduled (beginning in March). BOTH subs canceled and it’s looking like those positions won’t be filled by Monday (return to school date).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s what I am willing to do to make this model work: nothing. It is a ridiculous expectation.

No. Teachers have spent the past year adapting and changing and staying up past midnight and ignoring their own kids in order to teach well. Transitioning entire curriculums from an in-person delivery model to a virtual delivery model, learning how to zoom, learning how to manage a classroom on Zoom, connecting with other educators in their “free” time so they can learn how to do this better, etc. And now they are being told to do all of that at the same time as teaching a classroom of in person students. You realize that a DL lesson is entirely different from an in-person lesson? And that one group of students will suffer, because with concurrent teaching only one lesson plan is being executed? Either the DL students are observers in an in-person classroom, or the teacher treats everyone as virtual, and the in-person students have their faces in screens all day. I’m grateful to not be teaching with this model, but just the switch to virtual doubled my workload. Stop acting like teachers are lazy for wanting the best for their students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If kids aren't vaccinated by the next school year, this mess could continue. Then they'll see an even bigger wave of teachers saying "No way" and leaving.

Kids won't be vaccinated. Certainly not young kids. Good riddance to any teachers that continue to be obstinate. If enough leave, then we'll be able to tear down the current system and rebuild it better.

That being said, we're not going to see that. As we've seen everywhere else, teachers overwhelmingly return, despite their threats, since a $70k+ salary with health/vision/dental insurance and a generous pension are going to be tough for them to replace.

Quite a few people returning this year in my district do not plan to return next year. Those are mostly “early” retirements of people who have 30 years in, but are in their 50s or early 60s so they can’t get full SS yet. There are also people who are novices or were career changers with only 5 years invested who can go back to school or return to their previous field.

So? Both of those examples happen every year.

And given how much more money semi-elderly teachers make compared to their younger colleagues, losing some of those old teachers could a long way in addressing the budget shortfalls many districts are going to experience.

50-early 60s is hardly semi-elderly.

But you also get what you pay for when it comes to teacher experience and education. If you think shedding mid-career teachers with masters and higher is going to be worth saving some money, you could just move to a state that funds its schools less.

Of course it is. Elderly starts at 65. A lot of teachers are just coasting at that point until they can collect their pensions.

It is unfortunate what's gone on with masters degrees in education. You used to see teachers getting an M.S. or an M.A. in their subject area. Now most are getting M.Ed. degrees because districts require it for salary increases. I couldn't care less about losing teachers with M.Ed. degrees.

DP. I wouldn’t bet on it being mostly 60+ year olds or people with M.Ed degrees leaving. We had to do intent forms two weeks ago and we are losing roughly one teacher per grade level. In certain departments like special ed, it’s a lot higher. Most of these people have a Master’s in their subject area and are really good at what they do. We are also losing a lot of support staff who are overqualified for their jobs. They’ll be replaced, but probably not with someone who can really help a struggling reader with decoding or show a 2E 6th grader how to break down advanced math. Are you the same poster who said anyone who didn’t come back could/ would be easily replaced? If so, check out the long term sub vacancy list right now. There are a lot of “immediate need” positions open right now. Most won’t be filled with anyone qualified, if they get filled at all.

This describes my school perfectly. We’re career-changer heavy so only a few staff have education degrees. Mostly, it’s a degree or advance degree in the field of study and 5-10 years experience in that field. These are the folks leaving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s what I am willing to do to make this model work: nothing. It is a ridiculous expectation.

No. Teachers have spent the past year adapting and changing and staying up past midnight and ignoring their own kids in order to teach well. Transitioning entire curriculums from an in-person delivery model to a virtual delivery model, learning how to zoom, learning how to manage a classroom on Zoom, connecting with other educators in their “free” time so they can learn how to do this better, etc. And now they are being told to do all of that at the same time as teaching a classroom of in person students. You realize that a DL lesson is entirely different from an in-person lesson? And that one group of students will suffer, because with concurrent teaching only one lesson plan is being executed? Either the DL students are observers in an in-person classroom, or the teacher treats everyone as virtual, and the in-person students have their faces in screens all day. I’m grateful to not be teaching with this model, but just the switch to virtual doubled my workload. Stop acting like teachers are lazy for wanting the best for their students.

You misunderstood. I am a teacher, and I am not going to drive myself insane to make something like this work. I don’t have to worry about it because I’m working from home for the rest of the year, but some of my colleagues are being told they must do this. I refuse to work sixty hours a week for this job. I’m not paid to. I will never again put myself or my family last for this job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s what I am willing to do to make this model work: nothing. It is a ridiculous expectation.

No. Teachers have spent the past year adapting and changing and staying up past midnight and ignoring their own kids in order to teach well. Transitioning entire curriculums from an in-person delivery model to a virtual delivery model, learning how to zoom, learning how to manage a classroom on Zoom, connecting with other educators in their “free” time so they can learn how to do this better, etc. And now they are being told to do all of that at the same time as teaching a classroom of in person students. You realize that a DL lesson is entirely different from an in-person lesson? And that one group of students will suffer, because with concurrent teaching only one lesson plan is being executed? Either the DL students are observers in an in-person classroom, or the teacher treats everyone as virtual, and the in-person students have their faces in screens all day. I’m grateful to not be teaching with this model, but just the switch to virtual doubled my workload. Stop acting like teachers are lazy for wanting the best for their students.

You misunderstood. I am a teacher, and I am not going to drive myself insane to make something like this work. I don’t have to worry about it because I’m working from home for the rest of the year, but some of my colleagues are being told they must do this. I refuse to work sixty hours a week for this job. I’m not paid to. I will never again put myself or my family last for this job.

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Then yes, obviously 100% agree with you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If kids aren't vaccinated by the next school year, this mess could continue. Then they'll see an even bigger wave of teachers saying "No way" and leaving.

Kids won't be vaccinated. Certainly not young kids. Good riddance to any teachers that continue to be obstinate. If enough leave, then we'll be able to tear down the current system and rebuild it better.

That being said, we're not going to see that. As we've seen everywhere else, teachers overwhelmingly return, despite their threats, since a $70k+ salary with health/vision/dental insurance and a generous pension are going to be tough for them to replace.

Quite a few people returning this year in my district do not plan to return next year. Those are mostly “early” retirements of people who have 30 years in, but are in their 50s or early 60s so they can’t get full SS yet. There are also people who are novices or were career changers with only 5 years invested who can go back to school or return to their previous field.

So? Both of those examples happen every year.

And given how much more money semi-elderly teachers make compared to their younger colleagues, losing some of those old teachers could a long way in addressing the budget shortfalls many districts are going to experience.

50-early 60s is hardly semi-elderly.

But you also get what you pay for when it comes to teacher experience and education. If you think shedding mid-career teachers with masters and higher is going to be worth saving some money, you could just move to a state that funds its schools less.

Of course it is. Elderly starts at 65. A lot of teachers are just coasting at that point until they can collect their pensions.

It is unfortunate what's gone on with masters degrees in education. You used to see teachers getting an M.S. or an M.A. in their subject area. Now most are getting M.Ed. degrees because districts require it for salary increases. I couldn't care less about losing teachers with M.Ed. degrees.

DP. I wouldn’t bet on it being mostly 60+ year olds or people with M.Ed degrees leaving. We had to do intent forms two weeks ago and we are losing roughly one teacher per grade level. In certain departments like special ed, it’s a lot higher. Most of these people have a Master’s in their subject area and are really good at what they do. We are also losing a lot of support staff who are overqualified for their jobs. They’ll be replaced, but probably not with someone who can really help a struggling reader with decoding or show a 2E 6th grader how to break down advanced math. Are you the same poster who said anyone who didn’t come back could/ would be easily replaced? If so, check out the long term sub vacancy list right now. There are a lot of “immediate need” positions open right now. Most won’t be filled with anyone qualified, if they get filled at all.

This describes my school perfectly. We’re career-changer heavy so only a few staff have education degrees. Mostly, it’s a degree or advance degree in the field of study and 5-10 years experience in that field. These are the folks leaving.

We'll see. As I said earlier, I'd like to see a real exodus of teachers from STEM fields where they may be able to find a different job with more respect and money. Maybe that would force districts and unions to get rid of the ridiculous fixed salary tables. STEM and SPED teachers should be making more money. To the extent we have a teacher shortage, it is because of the elementary, social science and arts teachers that won't agree to sensible pay reform.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not being snarky, trying to help (we have one in public one in private). Talk to teachers in private school, who have been in hybrid model since September. Half the class in the classroom, half the class at home, every day, all year.

I recognize the size of the classroom is significantly different between public and private, but my guess is the learning curve is similar. Ask your private school colleagues for tips, and how they've managed.

I'm the OP. At your private school, do teachers teach a class concurrently (students virtual and in person) AND monitor the students of other classes whose teachers are not the in building? I am not complaining about concurrent, I was curious about concurrent and supervising other students at the same time.