New levels of low for Mitch

[Anonymous]

No, “everyone does” NOT share in the blame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean clearly Trump holds some blame, everyone does.

As a moderate Democrat, I’ve grown absolutely furious over how divided this country has become. Everyone is to blame - Trump, Republicans at large, Biden, Democrats at large, BLM, white supremacists, everyone - our Country is tearing itself apart and instead of trying to bridge the gap neither side has any intention of doing anything but attack the other side.

For four years we have gone through this toxic mess. I’ve refused to talk about politics it got so bad, and I work vaguely in the politics world, have a degree in it, and used to love the back and forth. I talk to my relatives in West Virginia and its all about the commie democrats and how Trump is the best president since Lincoln, all that stuff. My neighbors here in DC and it is all how Trump is basically Hitler v. 2.0, how they wish he would just die already, how there is literally nothing he did worthy of praise or respect, how he is a racist bigot.

It is all a big mess, and it all contributes to where we are now. Neither side is willing to give the other a chance, and neither side will stop the bullshit name calling and anger. So people get riled up. For months and months we had people rioting in the street burning police precincts and destroying thousands of already struggling businesses because they were riled up by the left and its messages. Then we had people on the right break into the Capital for the same damn reason, just with the party switched.

Let me ask you this: do you think the Capital would have been stormed had in mid-November when it was clear there were questions over the election democrats and republicans both came out and started a committee to openly and fairly investigate these claims? If they healed bipartisan hearings to listen to what evidence there was and judge it on its merits? If they came out and spoke, together, about how important it was that they consider all sides and ensure everyone left our elections were open and fair? I think the results would be different. You would have Biden as our President, with a much more unified country and with support of Congress. But instead, we called anyone who questioned the election a ‘Q-Anoner’ which we defined as some goofy conspiracy group that - as far as I can tell - is just as fictitious as ‘Antifa’ and all the tech companies started banning people left and right just for saying anything about the election.

Then we go through this insane impeachment process, knowing full well it wouldn’t go through. Why not just let the moment pass, and instead take the time to sit down with Republicans and work out a truly bipartisan COVID relief bill that both parties can be happy to support. Yet again, the Democrats were handed the perfect situation to show that we are a party willing to work together with the GOP and be the better party. Biden starting his presidency off not with a sham trial, but instead with a wide ranging, bipartisan bill designed alongside Republicans and Democrats alike to combat the current epidemic would have completely reshaped his presidency.

Stop both sides-ing this. It is profoundly ignorant, not to mention entirely detached from reality, to compare one side violently interceding in our democracy's foundation - the peaceful transfer of power - with the other side calling them mean, if well-deserved, names. Holy crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stop both sides-ing this. It is profoundly ignorant, not to mention entirely detached from reality, to compare one side violently interceding in our democracy's foundation - the peaceful transfer of power - with the other side calling them mean, if well-deserved, names. Holy crap.

+1
It is beyond odious and actually kind of poisonous to keep both sides-ing this. When Barack Obama was inaugurated, Mitch said he was going to stop up everything to guarantee that Obama was a one-term president. He allegedly threatened to do the same to Biden’s agenda - stopping covid, getting covid relief to people losing everything, addressing climate change - if the trial wasn’t finished immediately. He knows Trump is guilty, he SAID Trump is guilty. Seriously. Stop pretending that Democrats naming the problem is the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean clearly Trump holds some blame, everyone does.

As a moderate Democrat, I’ve grown absolutely furious over how divided this country has become. Everyone is to blame - Trump, Republicans at large, Biden, Democrats at large, BLM, white supremacists, everyone - our Country is tearing itself apart and instead of trying to bridge the gap neither side has any intention of doing anything but attack the other side.

For four years we have gone through this toxic mess. I’ve refused to talk about politics it got so bad, and I work vaguely in the politics world, have a degree in it, and used to love the back and forth. I talk to my relatives in West Virginia and its all about the commie democrats and how Trump is the best president since Lincoln, all that stuff. My neighbors here in DC and it is all how Trump is basically Hitler v. 2.0, how they wish he would just die already, how there is literally nothing he did worthy of praise or respect, how he is a racist bigot.

It is all a big mess, and it all contributes to where we are now. Neither side is willing to give the other a chance, and neither side will stop the bullshit name calling and anger. So people get riled up. For months and months we had people rioting in the street burning police precincts and destroying thousands of already struggling businesses because they were riled up by the left and its messages. Then we had people on the right break into the Capital for the same damn reason, just with the party switched.

Let me ask you this: do you think the Capital would have been stormed had in mid-November when it was clear there were questions over the election democrats and republicans both came out and started a committee to openly and fairly investigate these claims? If they healed bipartisan hearings to listen to what evidence there was and judge it on its merits? If they came out and spoke, together, about how important it was that they consider all sides and ensure everyone left our elections were open and fair? I think the results would be different. You would have Biden as our President, with a much more unified country and with support of Congress. But instead, we called anyone who questioned the election a ‘Q-Anoner’ which we defined as some goofy conspiracy group that - as far as I can tell - is just as fictitious as ‘Antifa’ and all the tech companies started banning people left and right just for saying anything about the election.

Then we go through this insane impeachment process, knowing full well it wouldn’t go through. Why not just let the moment pass, and instead take the time to sit down with Republicans and work out a truly bipartisan COVID relief bill that both parties can be happy to support. Yet again, the Democrats were handed the perfect situation to show that we are a party willing to work together with the GOP and be the better party. Biden starting his presidency off not with a sham trial, but instead with a wide ranging, bipartisan bill designed alongside Republicans and Democrats alike to combat the current epidemic would have completely reshaped his presidency.

Stop both sides-ing this. It is profoundly ignorant, not to mention entirely detached from reality, to compare one side violently interceding in our democracy's foundation - the peaceful transfer of power - with the other side calling them mean, if well-deserved, names. Holy crap.

Both sides have tried to intercede in our democracy. Do you not remember over the summer the thousands of Liberals attacking the White House calling for Trump’s head.

But that is not the point at all. Acting like the insurrection is all on Trump when literally both sides had a chance to calm the tension. As I asked in my first post, why did both parties not come out and hold public, bipartisan hearings and investigations into the election process. This isn’t to say I think the election was at all interfered with (it wasn’t), but it is of vital importance that both sides involved trust the election system, and if a large number of the opposing side believe there may have been electoral improprieties, then you say, ‘we believe the election was fair and unbiased, but because we care about our elections we believe it is vital to our democracy we investigate these claims in an open and bipartisan manner.’ Instead, as I said, we just called anyone with any questions a ‘q-anon’ supporter and just increased the tension.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean clearly Trump holds some blame, everyone does.

As a moderate Democrat, I’ve grown absolutely furious over how divided this country has become. Everyone is to blame - Trump, Republicans at large, Biden, Democrats at large, BLM, white supremacists, everyone - our Country is tearing itself apart and instead of trying to bridge the gap neither side has any intention of doing anything but attack the other side.

For four years we have gone through this toxic mess. I’ve refused to talk about politics it got so bad, and I work vaguely in the politics world, have a degree in it, and used to love the back and forth. I talk to my relatives in West Virginia and its all about the commie democrats and how Trump is the best president since Lincoln, all that stuff. My neighbors here in DC and it is all how Trump is basically Hitler v. 2.0, how they wish he would just die already, how there is literally nothing he did worthy of praise or respect, how he is a racist bigot.

It is all a big mess, and it all contributes to where we are now. Neither side is willing to give the other a chance, and neither side will stop the bullshit name calling and anger. So people get riled up. For months and months we had people rioting in the street burning police precincts and destroying thousands of already struggling businesses because they were riled up by the left and its messages. Then we had people on the right break into the Capital for the same damn reason, just with the party switched.

Let me ask you this: do you think the Capital would have been stormed had in mid-November when it was clear there were questions over the election democrats and republicans both came out and started a committee to openly and fairly investigate these claims? If they healed bipartisan hearings to listen to what evidence there was and judge it on its merits? If they came out and spoke, together, about how important it was that they consider all sides and ensure everyone left our elections were open and fair? I think the results would be different. You would have Biden as our President, with a much more unified country and with support of Congress. But instead, we called anyone who questioned the election a ‘Q-Anoner’ which we defined as some goofy conspiracy group that - as far as I can tell - is just as fictitious as ‘Antifa’ and all the tech companies started banning people left and right just for saying anything about the election.

Then we go through this insane impeachment process, knowing full well it wouldn’t go through. Why not just let the moment pass, and instead take the time to sit down with Republicans and work out a truly bipartisan COVID relief bill that both parties can be happy to support. Yet again, the Democrats were handed the perfect situation to show that we are a party willing to work together with the GOP and be the better party. Biden starting his presidency off not with a sham trial, but instead with a wide ranging, bipartisan bill designed alongside Republicans and Democrats alike to combat the current epidemic would have completely reshaped his presidency.

Stop both sides-ing this. It is profoundly ignorant, not to mention entirely detached from reality, to compare one side violently interceding in our democracy's foundation - the peaceful transfer of power - with the other side calling them mean, if well-deserved, names. Holy crap.

Both sides have tried to intercede in our democracy. Do you not remember over the summer the thousands of Liberals attacking the White House calling for Trump’s head.

But that is not the point at all. Acting like the insurrection is all on Trump when literally both sides had a chance to calm the tension. As I asked in my first post, why did both parties not come out and hold public, bipartisan hearings and investigations into the election process. This isn’t to say I think the election was at all interfered with (it wasn’t), but it is of vital importance that both sides involved trust the election system, and if a large number of the opposing side believe there may have been electoral improprieties, then you say, ‘we believe the election was fair and unbiased, but because we care about our elections we believe it is vital to our democracy we investigate these claims in an open and bipartisan manner.’ Instead, as I said, we just called anyone with any questions a ‘q-anon’ supporter and just increased the tension.

No, I don't remember "thousands of Liberals attacking the White House" over the summer, because it didn't happen. I guess it's easy to come to the conclusion that both sides are to blame when you're living in a fantasy world.

Both parties did not come out and hold public bipartisan hearings on election fraud because none existed. But, that didn't stop the Trump campaign and surrogates from pretending that there was. As is the case in healthy democracies, these issues were litigated in front of judges - an open and nonpartisan process, mind you - and thankfully, the courts' decisions are there fore all to read!

If anybody has any questions about the integrity of the elections after 60+ court cases affirming the results, then they probably are a QAnon cultist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean clearly Trump holds some blame, everyone does.

As a moderate Democrat, I’ve grown absolutely furious over how divided this country has become. Everyone is to blame - Trump, Republicans at large, Biden, Democrats at large, BLM, white supremacists, everyone - our Country is tearing itself apart and instead of trying to bridge the gap neither side has any intention of doing anything but attack the other side.

For four years we have gone through this toxic mess. I’ve refused to talk about politics it got so bad, and I work vaguely in the politics world, have a degree in it, and used to love the back and forth. I talk to my relatives in West Virginia and its all about the commie democrats and how Trump is the best president since Lincoln, all that stuff. My neighbors here in DC and it is all how Trump is basically Hitler v. 2.0, how they wish he would just die already, how there is literally nothing he did worthy of praise or respect, how he is a racist bigot.

It is all a big mess, and it all contributes to where we are now. Neither side is willing to give the other a chance, and neither side will stop the bullshit name calling and anger. So people get riled up. For months and months we had people rioting in the street burning police precincts and destroying thousands of already struggling businesses because they were riled up by the left and its messages. Then we had people on the right break into the Capital for the same damn reason, just with the party switched.

Let me ask you this: do you think the Capital would have been stormed had in mid-November when it was clear there were questions over the election democrats and republicans both came out and started a committee to openly and fairly investigate these claims? If they healed bipartisan hearings to listen to what evidence there was and judge it on its merits? If they came out and spoke, together, about how important it was that they consider all sides and ensure everyone left our elections were open and fair? I think the results would be different. You would have Biden as our President, with a much more unified country and with support of Congress. But instead, we called anyone who questioned the election a ‘Q-Anoner’ which we defined as some goofy conspiracy group that - as far as I can tell - is just as fictitious as ‘Antifa’ and all the tech companies started banning people left and right just for saying anything about the election.

Then we go through this insane impeachment process, knowing full well it wouldn’t go through. Why not just let the moment pass, and instead take the time to sit down with Republicans and work out a truly bipartisan COVID relief bill that both parties can be happy to support. Yet again, the Democrats were handed the perfect situation to show that we are a party willing to work together with the GOP and be the better party. Biden starting his presidency off not with a sham trial, but instead with a wide ranging, bipartisan bill designed alongside Republicans and Democrats alike to combat the current epidemic would have completely reshaped his presidency.

Your post reads like Russian propaganda. I suggest you get off of social media.

[Anonymous]

A bipartisan committee to investigate fraud claims? Are you forgetting about the 60+ court cases that judges (many trump appointees) tossed?

Republicans all over the country, at all levels of government, every single Secretary of State, has agreed that Biden won a fair, secure election.

Go to bed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean clearly Trump holds some blame, everyone does.

As a moderate Democrat, I’ve grown absolutely furious over how divided this country has become. Everyone is to blame - Trump, Republicans at large, Biden, Democrats at large, BLM, white supremacists, everyone - our Country is tearing itself apart and instead of trying to bridge the gap neither side has any intention of doing anything but attack the other side.

For four years we have gone through this toxic mess. I’ve refused to talk about politics it got so bad, and I work vaguely in the politics world, have a degree in it, and used to love the back and forth. I talk to my relatives in West Virginia and its all about the commie democrats and how Trump is the best president since Lincoln, all that stuff. My neighbors here in DC and it is all how Trump is basically Hitler v. 2.0, how they wish he would just die already, how there is literally nothing he did worthy of praise or respect, how he is a racist bigot.

It is all a big mess, and it all contributes to where we are now. Neither side is willing to give the other a chance, and neither side will stop the bullshit name calling and anger. So people get riled up. For months and months we had people rioting in the street burning police precincts and destroying thousands of already struggling businesses because they were riled up by the left and its messages. Then we had people on the right break into the Capital for the same damn reason, just with the party switched.

Let me ask you this: do you think the Capital would have been stormed had in mid-November when it was clear there were questions over the election democrats and republicans both came out and started a committee to openly and fairly investigate these claims? If they healed bipartisan hearings to listen to what evidence there was and judge it on its merits? If they came out and spoke, together, about how important it was that they consider all sides and ensure everyone left our elections were open and fair? I think the results would be different. You would have Biden as our President, with a much more unified country and with support of Congress. But instead, we called anyone who questioned the election a ‘Q-Anoner’ which we defined as some goofy conspiracy group that - as far as I can tell - is just as fictitious as ‘Antifa’ and all the tech companies started banning people left and right just for saying anything about the election.

Then we go through this insane impeachment process, knowing full well it wouldn’t go through. Why not just let the moment pass, and instead take the time to sit down with Republicans and work out a truly bipartisan COVID relief bill that both parties can be happy to support. Yet again, the Democrats were handed the perfect situation to show that we are a party willing to work together with the GOP and be the better party. Biden starting his presidency off not with a sham trial, but instead with a wide ranging, bipartisan bill designed alongside Republicans and Democrats alike to combat the current epidemic would have completely reshaped his presidency.

Stop both sides-ing this. It is profoundly ignorant, not to mention entirely detached from reality, to compare one side violently interceding in our democracy's foundation - the peaceful transfer of power - with the other side calling them mean, if well-deserved, names. Holy crap.

Both sides have tried to intercede in our democracy. Do you not remember over the summer the thousands of Liberals attacking the White House calling for Trump’s head.

But that is not the point at all. Acting like the insurrection is all on Trump when literally both sides had a chance to calm the tension. As I asked in my first post, why did both parties not come out and hold public, bipartisan hearings and investigations into the election process. This isn’t to say I think the election was at all interfered with (it wasn’t), but it is of vital importance that both sides involved trust the election system, and if a large number of the opposing side believe there may have been electoral improprieties, then you say, ‘we believe the election was fair and unbiased, but because we care about our elections we believe it is vital to our democracy we investigate these claims in an open and bipartisan manner.’ Instead, as I said, we just called anyone with any questions a ‘q-anon’ supporter and just increased the tension.

No, I don't remember "thousands of Liberals attacking the White House" over the summer, because it didn't happen. I guess it's easy to come to the conclusion that both sides are to blame when you're living in a fantasy world.

Both parties did not come out and hold public bipartisan hearings on election fraud because none existed. But, that didn't stop the Trump campaign and surrogates from pretending that there was. As is the case in healthy democracies, these issues were litigated in front of judges - an open and nonpartisan process, mind you - and thankfully, the courts' decisions are there fore all to read!

If anybody has any questions about the integrity of the elections after 60+ court cases affirming the results, then they probably are a QAnon cultist.

Most of those 60 cases were thrown out, very different then affirming the result. And, as I said, I am a democrat and I 100% believe Biden won in a fair election. Many other Americans, however, clearly believe there is reasonable doubt in the election, so for the sake of our election integrity it would have been good to be very open and receptive and offered a bipartisan, open investigation in order to show that the election was won fairly and squarely so Biden could enter the presidency with the support and acceptance of the whole country, not just half.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean clearly Trump holds some blame, everyone does.

As a moderate Democrat, I’ve grown absolutely furious over how divided this country has become. Everyone is to blame - Trump, Republicans at large, Biden, Democrats at large, BLM, white supremacists, everyone - our Country is tearing itself apart and instead of trying to bridge the gap neither side has any intention of doing anything but attack the other side.

For four years we have gone through this toxic mess. I’ve refused to talk about politics it got so bad, and I work vaguely in the politics world, have a degree in it, and used to love the back and forth. I talk to my relatives in West Virginia and its all about the commie democrats and how Trump is the best president since Lincoln, all that stuff. My neighbors here in DC and it is all how Trump is basically Hitler v. 2.0, how they wish he would just die already, how there is literally nothing he did worthy of praise or respect, how he is a racist bigot.

It is all a big mess, and it all contributes to where we are now. Neither side is willing to give the other a chance, and neither side will stop the bullshit name calling and anger. So people get riled up. For months and months we had people rioting in the street burning police precincts and destroying thousands of already struggling businesses because they were riled up by the left and its messages. Then we had people on the right break into the Capital for the same damn reason, just with the party switched.

Let me ask you this: do you think the Capital would have been stormed had in mid-November when it was clear there were questions over the election democrats and republicans both came out and started a committee to openly and fairly investigate these claims? If they healed bipartisan hearings to listen to what evidence there was and judge it on its merits? If they came out and spoke, together, about how important it was that they consider all sides and ensure everyone left our elections were open and fair? I think the results would be different. You would have Biden as our President, with a much more unified country and with support of Congress. But instead, we called anyone who questioned the election a ‘Q-Anoner’ which we defined as some goofy conspiracy group that - as far as I can tell - is just as fictitious as ‘Antifa’ and all the tech companies started banning people left and right just for saying anything about the election.

Then we go through this insane impeachment process, knowing full well it wouldn’t go through. Why not just let the moment pass, and instead take the time to sit down with Republicans and work out a truly bipartisan COVID relief bill that both parties can be happy to support. Yet again, the Democrats were handed the perfect situation to show that we are a party willing to work together with the GOP and be the better party. Biden starting his presidency off not with a sham trial, but instead with a wide ranging, bipartisan bill designed alongside Republicans and Democrats alike to combat the current epidemic would have completely reshaped his presidency.

Stop both sides-ing this. It is profoundly ignorant, not to mention entirely detached from reality, to compare one side violently interceding in our democracy's foundation - the peaceful transfer of power - with the other side calling them mean, if well-deserved, names. Holy crap.

Both sides have tried to intercede in our democracy. Do you not remember over the summer the thousands of Liberals attacking the White House calling for Trump’s head.

But that is not the point at all. Acting like the insurrection is all on Trump when literally both sides had a chance to calm the tension. As I asked in my first post, why did both parties not come out and hold public, bipartisan hearings and investigations into the election process. This isn’t to say I think the election was at all interfered with (it wasn’t), but it is of vital importance that both sides involved trust the election system, and if a large number of the opposing side believe there may have been electoral improprieties, then you say, ‘we believe the election was fair and unbiased, but because we care about our elections we believe it is vital to our democracy we investigate these claims in an open and bipartisan manner.’ Instead, as I said, we just called anyone with any questions a ‘q-anon’ supporter and just increased the tension.

No, I don't remember "thousands of Liberals attacking the White House" over the summer, because it didn't happen. I guess it's easy to come to the conclusion that both sides are to blame when you're living in a fantasy world.

Both parties did not come out and hold public bipartisan hearings on election fraud because none existed. But, that didn't stop the Trump campaign and surrogates from pretending that there was. As is the case in healthy democracies, these issues were litigated in front of judges - an open and nonpartisan process, mind you - and thankfully, the courts' decisions are there fore all to read!

If anybody has any questions about the integrity of the elections after 60+ court cases affirming the results, then they probably are a QAnon cultist.

Most of those 60 cases were thrown out, very different then affirming the result. And, as I said, I am a democrat and I 100% believe Biden won in a fair election. Many other Americans, however, clearly believe there is reasonable doubt in the election, so for the sake of our election integrity it would have been good to be very open and receptive and offered a bipartisan, open investigation in order to show that the election was won fairly and squarely so Biden could enter the presidency with the support and acceptance of the whole country, not just half.

If having 60 cases thrown out didn't convince them, a bipartisan commission won't. In fact, there was one on voting fraud at the beginning of the Trump term, and the fact they found nothing didnt' change their minds then. They are snowflakes who cannot believe they lost. They are children.

[Anonymous]

Why not just let the moment pass, and instead take the time to sit down with Republicans and work out a truly bipartisan COVID relief bill that both parties can be happy to support.

One of the parties, the one led by Mitch McConnell, sat and watched 400,000 people die and the economy crumble without lifting a finger to help for ten months. What relief is he going to be “happy to support”?

[Anonymous]

Many other Americans, however, clearly believe there is reasonable doubt in the election

Because their cult leader has lied to them. There is no hope for them.

And there is nothing reasonable about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A bipartisan committee to investigate fraud claims? Are you forgetting about the 60+ court cases that judges (many trump appointees) tossed?

Republicans all over the country, at all levels of government, every single Secretary of State, has agreed that Biden won a fair, secure election.

Go to bed.

Also, if PP wanted Congress to investigate, why isn’t she asking why Mitch didn’t convene a panel in the Senate. Remember, the GOP had the majority in the Senate until Jan 2021. Clearly, they saw no need to investigate the claims of fraud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Mitch did a good job of highlighting and explaining the legal issues. The prosecutors also did a good job, but the law was not on their side. No need to pillory Mitch or the citizens of KY just because things didn’t go the way you wanted.

The Senate voted that they had the authority to try the former president. That's actually the constitutional way to decide whether they had jurisdiction. They have the sole power over this. If he had another opinion, that's fine but he doesn't decide that issue. The Senate itself does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop both sides-ing this. It is profoundly ignorant, not to mention entirely detached from reality, to compare one side violently interceding in our democracy's foundation - the peaceful transfer of power - with the other side calling them mean, if well-deserved, names. Holy crap.

+1
It is beyond odious and actually kind of poisonous to keep both sides-ing this. When Barack Obama was inaugurated, Mitch said he was going to stop up everything to guarantee that Obama was a one-term president. He allegedly threatened to do the same to Biden’s agenda - stopping covid, getting covid relief to people losing everything, addressing climate change - if the trial wasn’t finished immediately. He knows Trump is guilty, he SAID Trump is guilty. Seriously. Stop pretending that Democrats naming the problem is the problem.

I have noticed how McConnell still seems to hold all the power even though he is no longer majority leader. Why is that so? Are democrats spineless or is there something in the rules of the Senate that I’m not understanding? Honest question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean clearly Trump holds some blame, everyone does.

As a moderate Democrat, I’ve grown absolutely furious over how divided this country has become. Everyone is to blame - Trump, Republicans at large, Biden, Democrats at large, BLM, white supremacists, everyone - our Country is tearing itself apart and instead of trying to bridge the gap neither side has any intention of doing anything but attack the other side.

For four years we have gone through this toxic mess. I’ve refused to talk about politics it got so bad, and I work vaguely in the politics world, have a degree in it, and used to love the back and forth. I talk to my relatives in West Virginia and its all about the commie democrats and how Trump is the best president since Lincoln, all that stuff. My neighbors here in DC and it is all how Trump is basically Hitler v. 2.0, how they wish he would just die already, how there is literally nothing he did worthy of praise or respect, how he is a racist bigot.

It is all a big mess, and it all contributes to where we are now. Neither side is willing to give the other a chance, and neither side will stop the bullshit name calling and anger. So people get riled up. For months and months we had people rioting in the street burning police precincts and destroying thousands of already struggling businesses because they were riled up by the left and its messages. Then we had people on the right break into the Capital for the same damn reason, just with the party switched.

Let me ask you this: do you think the Capital would have been stormed had in mid-November when it was clear there were questions over the election democrats and republicans both came out and started a committee to openly and fairly investigate these claims? If they healed bipartisan hearings to listen to what evidence there was and judge it on its merits? If they came out and spoke, together, about how important it was that they consider all sides and ensure everyone left our elections were open and fair? I think the results would be different. You would have Biden as our President, with a much more unified country and with support of Congress. But instead, we called anyone who questioned the election a ‘Q-Anoner’ which we defined as some goofy conspiracy group that - as far as I can tell - is just as fictitious as ‘Antifa’ and all the tech companies started banning people left and right just for saying anything about the election.

Then we go through this insane impeachment process, knowing full well it wouldn’t go through. Why not just let the moment pass, and instead take the time to sit down with Republicans and work out a truly bipartisan COVID relief bill that both parties can be happy to support. Yet again, the Democrats were handed the perfect situation to show that we are a party willing to work together with the GOP and be the better party. Biden starting his presidency off not with a sham trial, but instead with a wide ranging, bipartisan bill designed alongside Republicans and Democrats alike to combat the current epidemic would have completely reshaped his presidency.

Stop both sides-ing this. It is profoundly ignorant, not to mention entirely detached from reality, to compare one side violently interceding in our democracy's foundation - the peaceful transfer of power - with the other side calling them mean, if well-deserved, names. Holy crap.

Both sides have tried to intercede in our democracy. Do you not remember over the summer the thousands of Liberals attacking the White House calling for Trump’s head.

But that is not the point at all. Acting like the insurrection is all on Trump when literally both sides had a chance to calm the tension. As I asked in my first post, why did both parties not come out and hold public, bipartisan hearings and investigations into the election process. This isn’t to say I think the election was at all interfered with (it wasn’t), but it is of vital importance that both sides involved trust the election system, and if a large number of the opposing side believe there may have been electoral improprieties, then you say, ‘we believe the election was fair and unbiased, but because we care about our elections we believe it is vital to our democracy we investigate these claims in an open and bipartisan manner.’ Instead, as I said, we just called anyone with any questions a ‘q-anon’ supporter and just increased the tension.

No, I don't remember "thousands of Liberals attacking the White House" over the summer, because it didn't happen. I guess it's easy to come to the conclusion that both sides are to blame when you're living in a fantasy world.

Both parties did not come out and hold public bipartisan hearings on election fraud because none existed. But, that didn't stop the Trump campaign and surrogates from pretending that there was. As is the case in healthy democracies, these issues were litigated in front of judges - an open and nonpartisan process, mind you - and thankfully, the courts' decisions are there fore all to read!

If anybody has any questions about the integrity of the elections after 60+ court cases affirming the results, then they probably are a QAnon cultist.

Most of those 60 cases were thrown out, very different then affirming the result. And, as I said, I am a democrat and I 100% believe Biden won in a fair election. Many other Americans, however, clearly believe there is reasonable doubt in the election, so for the sake of our election integrity it would have been good to be very open and receptive and offered a bipartisan, open investigation in order to show that the election was won fairly and squarely so Biden could enter the presidency with the support and acceptance of the whole country, not just half.

I wish we lived in a world where that was even a possibility, but there are precious few Congressional Republicans who would participate in such an exercise in good faith. Trump supporters wouldn’t trust the few who would be honest and present the facts. If someone like Romney says it was all on the up and up, Trump supporters wouldn’t believe it. If we used somebody like Cruz or Graham, they’d lie about what was found. What you suggest cannot be done with today’s Republican Party.