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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I mean clearly Trump holds some blame, everyone does.

As a moderate Democrat, I’ve grown absolutely furious over how divided this country has become. Everyone is to blame - Trump, Republicans at large, Biden, Democrats at large, BLM, white supremacists, everyone - our Country is tearing itself apart and instead of trying to bridge the gap neither side has any intention of doing anything but attack the other side.

For four years we have gone through this toxic mess. I’ve refused to talk about politics it got so bad, and I work vaguely in the politics world, have a degree in it, and used to love the back and forth. I talk to my relatives in West Virginia and its all about the commie democrats and how Trump is the best president since Lincoln, all that stuff. My neighbors here in DC and it is all how Trump is basically Hitler v. 2.0, how they wish he would just die already, how there is literally nothing he did worthy of praise or respect, how he is a racist bigot.

It is all a big mess, and it all contributes to where we are now. Neither side is willing to give the other a chance, and neither side will stop the bullshit name calling and anger. So people get riled up. For months and months we had people rioting in the street burning police precincts and destroying thousands of already struggling businesses because they were riled up by the left and its messages. Then we had people on the right break into the Capital for the same damn reason, just with the party switched.

Let me ask you this: do you think the Capital would have been stormed had in mid-November when it was clear there were questions over the election democrats and republicans both came out and started a committee to openly and fairly investigate these claims? If they healed bipartisan hearings to listen to what evidence there was and judge it on its merits? If they came out and spoke, together, about how important it was that they consider all sides and ensure everyone left our elections were open and fair? I think the results would be different. You would have Biden as our President, with a much more unified country and with support of Congress. But instead, we called anyone who questioned the election a ‘Q-Anoner’ which we defined as some goofy conspiracy group that - as far as I can tell - is just as fictitious as ‘Antifa’ and all the tech companies started banning people left and right just for saying anything about the election.

Then we go through this insane impeachment process, knowing full well it wouldn’t go through. Why not just let the moment pass, and instead take the time to sit down with Republicans and work out a truly bipartisan COVID relief bill that both parties can be happy to support. Yet again, the Democrats were handed the perfect situation to show that we are a party willing to work together with the GOP and be the better party. Biden starting his presidency off not with a sham trial, but instead with a wide ranging, bipartisan bill designed alongside Republicans and Democrats alike to combat the current epidemic would have completely reshaped his presidency.[/quote]

Stop both sides-ing this. It is profoundly ignorant, not to mention entirely detached from reality, to compare one side violently interceding in our democracy's foundation - the peaceful transfer of power - with the other side calling them mean, if well-deserved, names. Holy crap.[/quote]

Both sides have tried to intercede in our democracy. Do you not remember over the summer the thousands of Liberals attacking the White House calling for Trump’s head.

But that is not the point at all. Acting like the insurrection is all on Trump when literally both sides had a chance to calm the tension. As I asked in my first post, why did both parties not come out and hold public, bipartisan hearings and investigations into the election process. This isn’t to say I think the election was at all interfered with (it wasn’t), but it is of vital importance that both sides involved trust the election system, and if a large number of the opposing side believe there may have been electoral improprieties, then you say, ‘we believe the election was fair and unbiased, but because we care about our elections we believe it is vital to our democracy we investigate these claims in an open and bipartisan manner.’ Instead, as I said, we just called anyone with any questions a ‘q-anon’ supporter and just increased the tension.[/quote]

No, I don't remember "thousands of Liberals attacking the White House" over the summer, because it didn't happen. I guess it's easy to come to the conclusion that both sides are to blame when you're living in a fantasy world.

Both parties did not come out and hold public bipartisan hearings on election fraud [b]because none existed.[/b] But, that didn't stop the Trump campaign and surrogates from pretending that there was. As is the case in healthy democracies, these issues were litigated in front of judges - an open and nonpartisan process, mind you - and thankfully, the courts' decisions are there fore all to read!

If anybody has any questions about the integrity of the elections after 60+ court cases affirming the results, then they probably [i]are[/i] a QAnon cultist.[/quote]

Most of those 60 cases were thrown out, very different then affirming the result. And, as I said, I am a democrat and I 100% believe Biden won in a fair election. Many other Americans, however, clearly believe there is reasonable doubt in the election, so [b]for the sake of our election integrity it would have been good to be very open and receptive and offered a bipartisan, open investigation in order to show that the election was won fairly and squarely[/b] so Biden could enter the presidency with the support and acceptance of the whole country, not just half.[/quote]
I wish we lived in a world where that was even a possibility, but there are precious few Congressional Republicans who would participate in such an exercise in good faith. Trump supporters wouldn’t trust the few who would be honest and present the facts. If someone like Romney says it was all on the up and up, Trump supporters wouldn’t believe it. If we used somebody like Cruz or Graham, they’d lie about what was found. What you suggest cannot be done with today’s Republican Party.[/quote]

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