With distance learning parents see the subpar education of public schools demand better

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Anonymous wrote:If you are smart, you would've never enrolled your kids in public school in the first place. You could spend years and years advocating for your kids and they would still get the same crappy education or you could put your money where your mouth is and enroll in a private school.

We can't all afford private schools and we're not okay with sending our kids to a parochial school that is against our religious beliefs.

You could afford it if you didn't overpay for your house. Choices, choices.

DP but no matter where I live in the DC area I don’t have 80k extra to send 2 kids to private school.

Then you haven't really investigated private schools. They do not all cost that amount.

Please name a few that cost less than that with no religious affiliation.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are smart, you would've never enrolled your kids in public school in the first place. You could spend years and years advocating for your kids and they would still get the same crappy education or you could put your money where your mouth is and enroll in a private school.

We can't all afford private schools and we're not okay with sending our kids to a parochial school that is against our religious beliefs.

Even parochial is 10-15k a year per kid. Times 2 or 3 kids, that’s just not workable for many people.

So push to raise taxes to properly fund schools. It’d be a fraction of $45k/yr.

Nah. If they raise taxes for schools they will give all the extra money to sped and ELL.

Ok. And?

So much for advocating for EL and low SES families...

Right. If SPED and ELL is improved, that should also free up time for teachers to provide better instruction to non ELL neuro-typical students. I think that would be a good thing.

Exactly.

Except it wouldn’t work like that. Those kids would get more, and our kids would get the same crappy education they have been getting.

So SPED students like my child does not deserve an adequate education?

No. If school funding increases, it should not all go just to a subset of students. All students should get an improved education, not just your snowflake who we already spend multiples on over a non-sped student. I’m not going to vote to pay more taxes so your kid gets more and my kids gets the same old same old.

I wasn’t advocating for an extra public school funding only to SPED and ELL. Someone else suggested that would occur which I do not think would actually happen.

To the extent you are calling my child a snowflake who is not entitled to a FAPE, the only adequate response is F you a hole.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are smart, you would've never enrolled your kids in public school in the first place. You could spend years and years advocating for your kids and they would still get the same crappy education or you could put your money where your mouth is and enroll in a private school.

We can't all afford private schools and we're not okay with sending our kids to a parochial school that is against our religious beliefs.

You could afford it if you didn't overpay for your house. Choices, choices.

DP but no matter where I live in the DC area I don’t have 80k extra to send 2 kids to private school.

Then you haven't really investigated private schools. They do not all cost that amount.

Please name a few that cost less than that with no religious affiliation.

With vouchers, new schools could open. So many educators want to open specialty private or charter schools but lack the funding and/or the students they want to serve lack the funding. With vouchers they could open thereby reducing class sizes for all.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are smart, you would've never enrolled your kids in public school in the first place. You could spend years and years advocating for your kids and they would still get the same crappy education or you could put your money where your mouth is and enroll in a private school.

We can't all afford private schools and we're not okay with sending our kids to a parochial school that is against our religious beliefs.

You could afford it if you didn't overpay for your house. Choices, choices.

DP but no matter where I live in the DC area I don’t have 80k extra to send 2 kids to private school.

Then you haven't really investigated private schools. They do not all cost that amount.

Please name a few that cost less than that with no religious affiliation.

Sounds like you are too lazy to look yourself. Your kids will have to put up with their parents being too lazy to look into better alternatives themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are smart, you would've never enrolled your kids in public school in the first place. You could spend years and years advocating for your kids and they would still get the same crappy education or you could put your money where your mouth is and enroll in a private school.

We can't all afford private schools and we're not okay with sending our kids to a parochial school that is against our religious beliefs.

Even parochial is 10-15k a year per kid. Times 2 or 3 kids, that’s just not workable for many people.

So push to raise taxes to properly fund schools. It’d be a fraction of $45k/yr.

Nah. If they raise taxes for schools they will give all the extra money to sped and ELL.

Ok. And?

So much for advocating for EL and low SES families...

Right. If SPED and ELL is improved, that should also free up time for teachers to provide better instruction to non ELL neuro-typical students. I think that would be a good thing.

Exactly.

Except it wouldn’t work like that. Those kids would get more, and our kids would get the same crappy education they have been getting.

So SPED students like my child does not deserve an adequate education?

They certainly aren’t going to get that via vouchers.

While I am not advocating for vouchers, I am not sure that is true - especially if I could use the voucher for the evidence based phonics instruction that I am currently paying for out of pocket since my child’s school system won’t provide it since it will not recognize my child’s medically diagnosed dyslexia and dysgraphia.

That hasn't worked out that way for vouchers. Private schools are allowed to discriminate and most will not take sped kids.

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Privates would accept sped if they received more money for those kids. Further specialized schools could open for students who previously could not afford to attend.

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This idea is good, similar to government hiring private industry , let's do it

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Anonymous wrote:Privates would accept sped if they received more money for those kids. Further specialized schools could open for students who previously could not afford to attend.

Some kids with SNs cost 50k/year to educate. Or 100k/year. Is the voucher going to be that high? Because that's the cost to the private school to educate that child.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are smart, you would've never enrolled your kids in public school in the first place. You could spend years and years advocating for your kids and they would still get the same crappy education or you could put your money where your mouth is and enroll in a private school.

We can't all afford private schools and we're not okay with sending our kids to a parochial school that is against our religious beliefs.

Even parochial is 10-15k a year per kid. Times 2 or 3 kids, that’s just not workable for many people.

So push to raise taxes to properly fund schools. It’d be a fraction of $45k/yr.

Nah. If they raise taxes for schools they will give all the extra money to sped and ELL.

Ok. And?

So much for advocating for EL and low SES families...

Right. If SPED and ELL is improved, that should also free up time for teachers to provide better instruction to non ELL neuro-typical students. I think that would be a good thing.

Exactly.

Except it wouldn’t work like that. Those kids would get more, and our kids would get the same crappy education they have been getting.

So SPED students like my child does not deserve an adequate education?

They certainly aren’t going to get that via vouchers.

While I am not advocating for vouchers, I am not sure that is true - especially if I could use the voucher for the evidence based phonics instruction that I am currently paying for out of pocket since my child’s school system won’t provide it since it will not recognize my child’s medically diagnosed dyslexia and dysgraphia.

That hasn't worked out that way for vouchers. Private schools are allowed to discriminate and most will not take sped kids.

Exactly, private can still require admissions testing/grades/gpa. They don't have to take everyone who shows up their door. They will chose the best and brightest. Plus, SPED students take extra resources and money that they won't want to spend. They won't publicly turn the SPED and ESOL kids away, but they'll find another reason.

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Anonymous wrote:Privates would accept sped if they received more money for those kids. Further specialized schools could open for students who previously could not afford to attend.

Some kids with SNs cost 50k/year to educate. Or 100k/year. Is the voucher going to be that high? Because that's the cost to the private school to educate that child.

Nope, maybe 10k.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know but FCPS curriculum has been set back a few years because of this. Don’t hold your breath for anything to get more challenging.

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I’m so sad and worried for these kids. We aren’t all in the same boat anymore. Some kids are drowning and others are in yachts.

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Anonymous wrote:Totally agree, but I’m not sure vouchers are the solution. There will still be a big supply-side problem for a long time, and individual vouchers may not increase the supply of good private schools. What I am MUCH more in favor of now is direct aid to parochial schools and a more robust charter sector where proven success leads to expansion.

F that. We, the taxpayers, are not paying for your private schools. Especially religious schools.

I, a taxpayer, would like MY tax dollars to go to schools that have actually shown themselves to believe in the mission of teaching kids.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are smart, you would've never enrolled your kids in public school in the first place. You could spend years and years advocating for your kids and they would still get the same crappy education or you could put your money where your mouth is and enroll in a private school.

We can't all afford private schools and we're not okay with sending our kids to a parochial school that is against our religious beliefs.

Even parochial is 10-15k a year per kid. Times 2 or 3 kids, that’s just not workable for many people.

So push to raise taxes to properly fund schools. It’d be a fraction of $45k/yr.

Nah. If they raise taxes for schools they will give all the extra money to sped and ELL.

Ok. And?

So much for advocating for EL and low SES families...

Right. If SPED and ELL is improved, that should also free up time for teachers to provide better instruction to non ELL neuro-typical students. I think that would be a good thing.

Exactly.

Except it wouldn’t work like that. Those kids would get more, and our kids would get the same crappy education they have been getting.

So SPED students like my child does not deserve an adequate education?

They certainly aren’t going to get that via vouchers.

While I am not advocating for vouchers, I am not sure that is true - especially if I could use the voucher for the evidence based phonics instruction that I am currently paying for out of pocket since my child’s school system won’t provide it since it will not recognize my child’s medically diagnosed dyslexia and dysgraphia.

That hasn't worked out that way for vouchers. Private schools are allowed to discriminate and most will not take sped kids.

Exactly, private can still require admissions testing/grades/gpa. They don't have to take everyone who shows up their door. They will chose the best and brightest. Plus, SPED students take extra resources and money that they won't want to spend. They won't publicly turn the SPED and ESOL kids away, but they'll find another reason.

And that is why the outcome for NT kids is better at these schools. The focus is on them for a change.

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Anonymous wrote:Totally agree, but I’m not sure vouchers are the solution. There will still be a big supply-side problem for a long time, and individual vouchers may not increase the supply of good private schools. What I am MUCH more in favor of now is direct aid to parochial schools and a more robust charter sector where proven success leads to expansion.

F that. We, the taxpayers, are not paying for your private schools. Especially religious schools.

I, a taxpayer, would like MY tax dollars to go to schools that have actually shown themselves to believe in the mission of teaching kids.

Stop whining. Schools are teaching and will be open soon.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are smart, you would've never enrolled your kids in public school in the first place. You could spend years and years advocating for your kids and they would still get the same crappy education or you could put your money where your mouth is and enroll in a private school.

We can't all afford private schools and we're not okay with sending our kids to a parochial school that is against our religious beliefs.

Even parochial is 10-15k a year per kid. Times 2 or 3 kids, that’s just not workable for many people.

So push to raise taxes to properly fund schools. It’d be a fraction of $45k/yr.

Nah. If they raise taxes for schools they will give all the extra money to sped and ELL.

Ok. And?

So much for advocating for EL and low SES families...

Right. If SPED and ELL is improved, that should also free up time for teachers to provide better instruction to non ELL neuro-typical students. I think that would be a good thing.

Exactly.

Except it wouldn’t work like that. Those kids would get more, and our kids would get the same crappy education they have been getting.

So SPED students like my child does not deserve an adequate education?

They certainly aren’t going to get that via vouchers.

While I am not advocating for vouchers, I am not sure that is true - especially if I could use the voucher for the evidence based phonics instruction that I am currently paying for out of pocket since my child’s school system won’t provide it since it will not recognize my child’s medically diagnosed dyslexia and dysgraphia.

That hasn't worked out that way for vouchers. Private schools are allowed to discriminate and most will not take sped kids.

Exactly, private can still require admissions testing/grades/gpa. They don't have to take everyone who shows up their door. They will chose the best and brightest. Plus, SPED students take extra resources and money that they won't want to spend. They won't publicly turn the SPED and ESOL kids away, but they'll find another reason.

And that is why the outcome for NT kids is better at these schools. The focus is on them for a change.

So you’re blaming poor performing schools on SPED kids?