MC police pick up ESS 5 year old; harass & assault him

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The kid didn’t wander off he intentionally chose to leave school because he wanted to leave. Schools aren’t jails so when kids want to intentionally leave some kids will. It is really hard for school staff to drop everything and get a kid back to school especially kids who are used to being in charge at home and are never disciplined. Instead of the mom being mad at her kid for leaving school she is suing. It could be the officers were talking amongst themselves saying if they had done that as kids they would have been beaten.

Actually at that age they are basically like jails and that shows lack of supervision.

No schools aren’t jails. A kindergarten can be alone in a room with 20 kids. So one kid walks out does the teacher follow the kid and leave 19 kids alone or stay with 19 kids and report the student missing to office?

Teacher can call the office or get another teacher to supervise her class. Our teacher was regularly late and the kids often went to another teachers classroom. They have lots of protocols in place. This sounds like a child care center as no ES schools are open. The schools have child care centers in them. So, if this is an equity hub, they have two staff for 12 kids.

There is a date in the article. This happened in January 2020. Schools were open.

This almost certainly happened on the playground. A teacher could have seen the whole thing, and headed towards him, and he was out of sight by the time she got there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd like to see the body cam as you are just getting the parents side who was not there. That kid needs a SN child care setting if they are eloping. There is far more to this story.

he didn’t elope, he wandered off. He was literally 1 minute from school.

He is 5.

T
You are an example of somebody so set on defending cops that your brain has fallen out of your skull.

He eloped. He went away from his child care providers. You aren't hearing the other side of the story and hearing from parents who instantly think lets sue. If anything the issue is with the child care providers who didn't properly supervise him.

You sound insane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The kid didn’t wander off he intentionally chose to leave school because he wanted to leave. Schools aren’t jails so when kids want to intentionally leave some kids will. It is really hard for school staff to drop everything and get a kid back to school especially kids who are used to being in charge at home and are never disciplined. Instead of the mom being mad at her kid for leaving school she is suing. It could be the officers were talking amongst themselves saying if they had done that as kids they would have been beaten.

Actually at that age they are basically like jails and that shows lack of supervision.

No schools aren’t jails. A kindergarten can be alone in a room with 20 kids. So one kid walks out does the teacher follow the kid and leave 19 kids alone or stay with 19 kids and report the student missing to office?

Teacher can call the office or get another teacher to supervise her class. Our teacher was regularly late and the kids often went to another teachers classroom. They have lots of protocols in place. This sounds like a child care center as no ES schools are open. The schools have child care centers in them. So, if this is an equity hub, they have two staff for 12 kids.

DP. These events occurred in January 2020. They occurred in a Montgomery County elementary school. The child was in kindergarten at the time. This was not a day care center or an equity hub.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bye bye SROs.

Easy answer.., no police SROs in school... replace them with trained psychologists!

This kid walked out of an ES, there aren’t SROs in ES. These officers were probably just regular patrol officers, the situation would probably have been handled more appropriately if an SRO had responded.

It was an SRO I recognize the name of the cop. Maybe former SRO but definitely a trained SRO.

[Anonymous]

They said you should be beaten 20 times.

Case closed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The kid didn’t wander off he intentionally chose to leave school because he wanted to leave. Schools aren’t jails so when kids want to intentionally leave some kids will. It is really hard for school staff to drop everything and get a kid back to school especially kids who are used to being in charge at home and are never disciplined. Instead of the mom being mad at her kid for leaving school she is suing. It could be the officers were talking amongst themselves saying if they had done that as kids they would have been beaten.

Actually at that age they are basically like jails and that shows lack of supervision.

No schools aren’t jails. A kindergarten can be alone in a room with 20 kids. So one kid walks out does the teacher follow the kid and leave 19 kids alone or stay with 19 kids and report the student missing to office?

Teacher can call the office or get another teacher to supervise her class. Our teacher was regularly late and the kids often went to another teachers classroom. They have lots of protocols in place. This sounds like a child care center as no ES schools are open. The schools have child care centers in them. So, if this is an equity hub, they have two staff for 12 kids.

There is a date in the article. This happened in January 2020. Schools were open.

This almost certainly happened on the playground. A teacher could have seen the whole thing, and headed towards him, and he was out of sight by the time she got there.

ES schools don't have enough playground supervision. That always concerned me as ours wouldn't allow parent volunteers. However, why are they seeing a year later. There has to be more to this story. Normal 5 year olds don't walk off the playground. I got mine a tracker as they had SN and it never happened.

[Anonymous]

They almost certainly tried to work it out short of suing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Separate from the police I can’t believe people are focusing on the five year old leaving rather than the grown adults not supervising him well enough (this making it possible for all of this to happen.) if this happened with your child snd a babysitter would you be focused on the “misbehavior” or the appalling incompetence of the adult?

By age 5, my kids were playing on unfenced playgrounds, or playgrounds with gaps in fencing (this includes every public school playground in my area) without me watching them every second, with me, with babysitters, and at school. They were never there alone. There was always an adult close enough to hear them if they called for help, but that adult might be monitoring other children. If my kid walked off the playground while I was pushing his toddler sibling in the swing, I would absolutely have considered that "misbehavior".

Public school playgrounds are supervised, at best, with an adult per class. More likely you've got 2 adults with 100 kindergarteners. It's easy to imagine a kid walking off a playground, an adult seeing him, heading towards him, but he's turned a corner before the adult gets to him. That's probably what happened here, given that they noticed, called police, and provided a description that allowed a police officer to find him before the kid got 1/4 mile.

That's not appalling incompetence on the part of adults. If you think that kindergarteners should be in fenced playgrounds, then advocate for that. Or advocate for different staffing ratios. But recognize that with current (non-covid) staff ratios and playground set ups, this can happen.

You’re nuts. Yes it’s possible there is a behavioral or other issue with this child but he is FIVE and the adults failed completely. By your logic a preschool teacher could have an open bottle of antifreeze out and if a child drank it it would be primarily a behavior issue. That’s crazy and you are clearly in the minority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They said you should be beaten 20 times.

Case closed.

Add in the handcuffs and screaming in his face. This is going to get settled quick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd like to see the body cam as you are just getting the parents side who was not there. That kid needs a SN child care setting if they are eloping. There is far more to this story.

he didn’t elope, he wandered off. He was literally 1 minute from school.

He is 5.

T
You are an example of somebody so set on defending cops that your brain has fallen out of your skull.

He eloped. He went away from his child care providers. You aren't hearing the other side of the story and hearing from parents who instantly think lets sue. If anything the issue is with the child care providers who didn't properly supervise him.

You sound insane.

No need to name call but there is more to this story. Kids don't just leave school property, which is eloping, if something more isn't going on. Either this kid had SN or something bad was happening at school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Separate from the police I can’t believe people are focusing on the five year old leaving rather than the grown adults not supervising him well enough (this making it possible for all of this to happen.) if this happened with your child snd a babysitter would you be focused on the “misbehavior” or the appalling incompetence of the adult?

By age 5, my kids were playing on unfenced playgrounds, or playgrounds with gaps in fencing (this includes every public school playground in my area) without me watching them every second, with me, with babysitters, and at school. They were never there alone. There was always an adult close enough to hear them if they called for help, but that adult might be monitoring other children. If my kid walked off the playground while I was pushing his toddler sibling in the swing, I would absolutely have considered that "misbehavior".

Public school playgrounds are supervised, at best, with an adult per class. More likely you've got 2 adults with 100 kindergarteners. It's easy to imagine a kid walking off a playground, an adult seeing him, heading towards him, but he's turned a corner before the adult gets to him. That's probably what happened here, given that they noticed, called police, and provided a description that allowed a police officer to find him before the kid got 1/4 mile.

That's not appalling incompetence on the part of adults. If you think that kindergarteners should be in fenced playgrounds, then advocate for that. Or advocate for different staffing ratios. But recognize that with current (non-covid) staff ratios and playground set ups, this can happen.

You’re nuts. Yes it’s possible there is a behavioral or other issue with this child but he is FIVE and the adults failed completely. By your logic a preschool teacher could have an open bottle of antifreeze out and if a child drank it it would be primarily a behavior issue. That’s crazy and you are clearly in the minority.

No, people are saying that we need to hear and see both sides, especially the video before jumping to conclusions. But there is more going on with that child/family as 5 year olds don't just leave school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They almost certainly tried to work it out short of suing.

How do you know? Nothing was said in that article and it was very one sided. I'd like to hear from both sides and more importantly see the video.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Separate from the police I can’t believe people are focusing on the five year old leaving rather than the grown adults not supervising him well enough (this making it possible for all of this to happen.) if this happened with your child snd a babysitter would you be focused on the “misbehavior” or the appalling incompetence of the adult?

By age 5, my kids were playing on unfenced playgrounds, or playgrounds with gaps in fencing (this includes every public school playground in my area) without me watching them every second, with me, with babysitters, and at school. They were never there alone. There was always an adult close enough to hear them if they called for help, but that adult might be monitoring other children. If my kid walked off the playground while I was pushing his toddler sibling in the swing, I would absolutely have considered that "misbehavior".

Public school playgrounds are supervised, at best, with an adult per class. More likely you've got 2 adults with 100 kindergarteners. It's easy to imagine a kid walking off a playground, an adult seeing him, heading towards him, but he's turned a corner before the adult gets to him. That's probably what happened here, given that they noticed, called police, and provided a description that allowed a police officer to find him before the kid got 1/4 mile.

That's not appalling incompetence on the part of adults. If you think that kindergarteners should be in fenced playgrounds, then advocate for that. Or advocate for different staffing ratios. But recognize that with current (non-covid) staff ratios and playground set ups, this can happen.

You’re nuts. Yes it’s possible there is a behavioral or other issue with this child but he is FIVE and the adults failed completely. By your logic a preschool teacher could have an open bottle of antifreeze out and if a child drank it it would be primarily a behavior issue. That’s crazy and you are clearly in the minority.

No, people are saying that we need to hear and see both sides, especially the video before jumping to conclusions. But there is more going on with that child/family as 5 year olds don't just leave school.

Again, separate from police I look forward to hearing the rebuttal to the controversial “five year olds shouldn’t be allowed to leave school on a walkabout” take.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They said you should be beaten 20 times.

Case closed.

I raised a SN kid and there were a few times when police were involved. I remember one officer telling him he should be slapped for mouthing off to me when he was in the midst of a psychotic episode and I was in the process of getting him to psych hospital for immediate assessment (which resulted in hospitalization). Disgusting. We also had the worst SRO on the planet when he was in middle school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The kid didn’t wander off he intentionally chose to leave school because he wanted to leave. Schools aren’t jails so when kids want to intentionally leave some kids will. It is really hard for school staff to drop everything and get a kid back to school especially kids who are used to being in charge at home and are never disciplined. Instead of the mom being mad at her kid for leaving school she is suing. It could be the officers were talking amongst themselves saying if they had done that as kids they would have been beaten.

Actually at that age they are basically like jails and that shows lack of supervision.

No schools aren’t jails. A kindergarten can be alone in a room with 20 kids. So one kid walks out does the teacher follow the kid and leave 19 kids alone or stay with 19 kids and report the student missing to office?

Typically you call or radio the main office and someone goes to find the kid.