harsh sanctions for minor Covid rule violation at college

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DD signed a COVID code of conduct at the begging of the fall term. If someone left quarantine/isolate (like your kid did), they would be suspended for the term and declared persona non grata on campus. This is a VA school. One that only had about 1% of the student body get infected in the fall.

People took it seriously and it worked.

What if she hadn’t signed? Would they have allowed her to attend? If not, doesn’t seem like she had much of a choice.

It was part of the housing contract.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Newsflash: there is no such thing as a “permanent record” in college. What do think they do? Write “COVID violation” on their transcript that future employers and grad schools see? Even for underage alcohol violations, there is no consequence. You are worrying for no reason!

And PS, flouting stupid COVID restrictions, especially when someone is low risk and young, is to be expected and commended. You should be proud of your DC.

The kid was infected when he went AWOL, that's not exactly good citizen conduct. But I doubt they will give a harsh punishment.

Free country.

We don't have a constitutional right to infect others. Our rights stop when they impact other citizens. You can't drive 100 mph, you can't shoot a gun anywhere you want, you can't assault others, you can't steal from others. Good citizenship keeps the society 'free'.

And you don’t have a constitutional right to control my child. See how that works?

But the school DOES have a right to control your child's behavior, but establishing rules. That's so OTHERS feel comfortable going to school. If you don't like the rules, keep your kid out.

Nope. If you are so afraid of COVID, then keep your student out. See how that works? And anyway, my student is over 18 and makes decisions for himself.

So, my daughter, whose father is immune compromised because of cancer should have to take a gap year because your kid choses to ignore the rules?

Do I see a law suite under the ADA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD signed a COVID code of conduct at the begging of the fall term. If someone left quarantine/isolate (like your kid did), they would be suspended for the term and declared persona non grata on campus. This is a VA school. One that only had about 1% of the student body get infected in the fall.

People took it seriously and it worked.

What if she hadn’t signed? Would they have allowed her to attend? If not, doesn’t seem like she had much of a choice.

It was part of the housing contract.

So she was forced to sign to live on campus? Again, seems like it was forced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD signed a COVID code of conduct at the begging of the fall term. If someone left quarantine/isolate (like your kid did), they would be suspended for the term and declared persona non grata on campus. This is a VA school. One that only had about 1% of the student body get infected in the fall.

People took it seriously and it worked.

What if she hadn’t signed? Would they have allowed her to attend? If not, doesn’t seem like she had much of a choice.

It was part of the housing contract.

So she was forced to sign to live on campus? Again, seems like it was forced.

Not forced. because you do not have a right to attend a specific school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Newsflash: there is no such thing as a “permanent record” in college. What do think they do? Write “COVID violation” on their transcript that future employers and grad schools see? Even for underage alcohol violations, there is no consequence. You are worrying for no reason!

And PS, flouting stupid COVID restrictions, especially when someone is low risk and young, is to be expected and commended. You should be proud of your DC.

The kid was infected when he went AWOL, that's not exactly good citizen conduct. But I doubt they will give a harsh punishment.

Free country.

We don't have a constitutional right to infect others. Our rights stop when they impact other citizens. You can't drive 100 mph, you can't shoot a gun anywhere you want, you can't assault others, you can't steal from others. Good citizenship keeps the society 'free'.

And you don’t have a constitutional right to control my child. See how that works?

But the school DOES have a right to control your child's behavior, but establishing rules. That's so OTHERS feel comfortable going to school. If you don't like the rules, keep your kid out.

Nope. If you are so afraid of COVID, then keep your student out. See how that works? And anyway, my student is over 18 and makes decisions for himself.

So, my daughter, whose father is immune compromised because of cancer should have to take a gap year because your kid choses to ignore the rules?

Do I see a law suite under the ADA

Maybe Dad should isolate and DD should attend school. Anyway, you would lose that lawsuit, just like the parents who challenged the right of the anti vaccine movement to send their kids to school. Take responsibility for yourself and don’t force your issues into others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD signed a COVID code of conduct at the begging of the fall term. If someone left quarantine/isolate (like your kid did), they would be suspended for the term and declared persona non grata on campus. This is a VA school. One that only had about 1% of the student body get infected in the fall.

People took it seriously and it worked.

What if she hadn’t signed? Would they have allowed her to attend? If not, doesn’t seem like she had much of a choice.

It was part of the housing contract.

So she was forced to sign to live on campus? Again, seems like it was forced.

Attending college is optional. There is no law guaranteeing anyone a college education, much less a college education during which a student can cherry-pick which rules to follow.

On the other side of the table, no college has any obligation to accept any particular student. I’d be perfectly comfortable to see kids only be admitted if they agreed to the rules and then suspended for violating them. Second violation could be expulsion with no refund on tuition.

Your arguments about how your student should not have to follow rules that they agree to follow makes you sound like a child, which tells me about all I need to know about your student’s willingness to follow rules and accept consequences. Nice little sociopaths you’re raising, I’m sure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD signed a COVID code of conduct at the begging of the fall term. If someone left quarantine/isolate (like your kid did), they would be suspended for the term and declared persona non grata on campus. This is a VA school. One that only had about 1% of the student body get infected in the fall.

People took it seriously and it worked.

What if she hadn’t signed? Would they have allowed her to attend? If not, doesn’t seem like she had much of a choice.

It was part of the housing contract.

So she was forced to sign to live on campus? Again, seems like it was forced.

Attending college is optional. There is no law guaranteeing anyone a college education, much less a college education during which a student can cherry-pick which rules to follow.

On the other side of the table, no college has any obligation to accept any particular student. I’d be perfectly comfortable to see kids only be admitted if they agreed to the rules and then suspended for violating them. Second violation could be expulsion with no refund on tuition.

Your arguments about how your student should not have to follow rules that they agree to follow makes you sound like a child, which tells me about all I need to know about your student’s willingness to follow rules and accept consequences. Nice little sociopaths you’re raising, I’m sure.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD signed a COVID code of conduct at the begging of the fall term. If someone left quarantine/isolate (like your kid did), they would be suspended for the term and declared persona non grata on campus. This is a VA school. One that only had about 1% of the student body get infected in the fall.

People took it seriously and it worked.

What if she hadn’t signed? Would they have allowed her to attend? If not, doesn’t seem like she had much of a choice.

It was part of the housing contract.

So she was forced to sign to live on campus? Again, seems like it was forced.

Attending college is optional. There is no law guaranteeing anyone a college education, much less a college education during which a student can cherry-pick which rules to follow.

On the other side of the table, no college has any obligation to accept any particular student. I’d be perfectly comfortable to see kids only be admitted if they agreed to the rules and then suspended for violating them. Second violation could be expulsion with no refund on tuition.

Your arguments about how your student should not have to follow rules that they agree to follow makes you sound like a child, which tells me about all I need to know about your student’s willingness to follow rules and accept consequences. Nice little sociopaths you’re raising, I’m sure.

And you sound like a dictator.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Newsflash: there is no such thing as a “permanent record” in college. What do think they do? Write “COVID violation” on their transcript that future employers and grad schools see? Even for underage alcohol violations, there is no consequence. You are worrying for no reason!

And PS, flouting stupid COVID restrictions, especially when someone is low risk and young, is to be expected and commended. You should be proud of your DC.

The kid was infected when he went AWOL, that's not exactly good citizen conduct. But I doubt they will give a harsh punishment.

Free country.

We don't have a constitutional right to infect others. Our rights stop when they impact other citizens. You can't drive 100 mph, you can't shoot a gun anywhere you want, you can't assault others, you can't steal from others. Good citizenship keeps the society 'free'.

And you don’t have a constitutional right to control my child. See how that works?

But the school DOES have a right to control your child's behavior, but establishing rules. That's so OTHERS feel comfortable going to school. If you don't like the rules, keep your kid out.

Nope. If you are so afraid of COVID, then keep your student out. See how that works? And anyway, my student is over 18 and makes decisions for himself.

So, my daughter, whose father is immune compromised because of cancer should have to take a gap year because your kid choses to ignore the rules?

Do I see a law suite under the ADA

Maybe Dad should isolate and DD should attend school. Anyway, you would lose that lawsuit, just like the parents who challenged the right of the anti vaccine movement to send their kids to school. Take responsibility for yourself and don’t force your issues into others.

Maybe if OP’s kid, who actually was positive for COVID, took responsibility and isolated themselves, they wouldn’t be forcing the issue onto others.

The kid was supposed to be isolating as you suggest would be responsible. They broke that isolation. There was a consequence for it. It was almost certainly a known consequence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They want all the benefits of being part of a college community without the inconveniences (and responsibilities) that come with being on campus during a pandemic.


We all have to follow rules we don't like sometimes. It's part of being a member of society and, on a smaller scale, our communities. If you are SO horrified by the rules of that college, keep your kid home. Everyone who decided to send their kid to school this year knew the rules and knew the repercussions of breaking them could have devastating effects on those around them.

It is perfectly fine to disregard rules that one did not make or agree to follow.

Just stop. You are truly making a fool of yourself.

[Anonymous]

People, people. DCUM seems to have reached peak toxicity/poor reading skills/false assumptions/sanctimoniousness. Cannot believe so many people have bothered to post so many stupid and unhelpful comments in such a short period of time.
18 year olds make mistakes. Not all mistakes endanger others. Mistakes vary in their seriousness. There is indeed such a thing as a permanent disciplinary record at college.
I am OP. I hope nothing ever goes wrong for any of your kids but I assume you’ll disown them and pull them out of college if they ever break any rules.
This was the first time any of my kids has ever gotten in trouble for anything. No one is immune. Nobody is perfect. It’s not crazy to try to compare notes on how schools enforce rules. But it is crazy here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want all the benefits of being part of a college community without the inconveniences (and responsibilities) that come with being on campus during a pandemic.


We all have to follow rules we don't like sometimes. It's part of being a member of society and, on a smaller scale, our communities. If you are SO horrified by the rules of that college, keep your kid home. Everyone who decided to send their kid to school this year knew the rules and knew the repercussions of breaking them could have devastating effects on those around them.

It is perfectly fine to disregard rules that one did not make or agree to follow.

Just stop. You are truly making a fool of yourself.

Sorry, I’m out to lunch and your basement doesn’t have windows, so no one can hear you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Newsflash: there is no such thing as a “permanent record” in college. What do think they do? Write “COVID violation” on their transcript that future employers and grad schools see? Even for underage alcohol violations, there is no consequence. You are worrying for no reason!

And PS, flouting stupid COVID restrictions, especially when someone is low risk and young, is to be expected and commended. You should be proud of your DC.

The kid was infected when he went AWOL, that's not exactly good citizen conduct. But I doubt they will give a harsh punishment.

Free country.

We don't have a constitutional right to infect others. Our rights stop when they impact other citizens. You can't drive 100 mph, you can't shoot a gun anywhere you want, you can't assault others, you can't steal from others. Good citizenship keeps the society 'free'.

And you don’t have a constitutional right to control my child. See how that works?

But the school DOES have a right to control your child's behavior, but establishing rules. That's so OTHERS feel comfortable going to school. If you don't like the rules, keep your kid out.

Nope. If you are so afraid of COVID, then keep your student out. See how that works? And anyway, my student is over 18 and makes decisions for himself.

The school made the rules. Your kid agreed to them or they wouldn't be in school. Are you really saying adults get to decide how to behave, and that rules don't matter to people over 18? I guess you are not in a country club or any other type of organized human activity?

[Anonymous]

Did it every strike you that your kid probably broke an earlier rule: hence his infection.

Sorry, if you are LITERALLY infected with COVID, you stay in isolation. That is why they are paying people to bring such kids food.

Every kid in college today reads the rules ahead, along with the potential consequences. He is lucky he was not dismissed from campus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People, people. DCUM seems to have reached peak toxicity/poor reading skills/false assumptions/sanctimoniousness. Cannot believe so many people have bothered to post so many stupid and unhelpful comments in such a short period of time.
18 year olds make mistakes. Not all mistakes endanger others. Mistakes vary in their seriousness. There is indeed such a thing as a permanent disciplinary record at college.
I am OP. I hope nothing ever goes wrong for any of your kids but I assume you’ll disown them and pull them out of college if they ever break any rules.
This was the first time any of my kids has ever gotten in trouble for anything. No one is immune. Nobody is perfect. It’s not crazy to try to compare notes on how schools enforce rules. But it is crazy here.

He has not been thrown out, calm down. You really sound overprotective.

Sorry, but I am on Team College for this one.