MLSNext vs ECNL
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Clubs switching from DA to ECNL and then making people believe that ECNL is the reason for the pathway for college is BS. Its as shameful as the P2P. Now we are lucky enough to have the super ecnl league. Keep filling the dirty over saturated tub with more water.[/quote]
Why is P2P shameful?[/quote] Agree with the question raised here - why is P2P shameful? Gives kids a chance at the pro pathway in youth while still staying with home club a little longer. Most will not pan out but gives DCU a chance to see some of the best players from select clubs in the area. |
Anonymous
| I do not think either MLS Next or ECNL for the new teams can say that's what got the kid to college. (pathway) I see some great players at the ECNL level and I see some great players at the MLS Next level. As for who gets the child the correct training and exposes them, well we will see in the coming years. I do see 1 possibly 2 ECNL teams going back or at least trying to go back to higher league play. Another wrinkle coming is going to be the USL Academy. Not that far off in this area. |
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[quote=PFPsisman10][quote=Anonymous]I do not think either MLS Next or ECNL for the new teams can say that's what got the kid to college. (pathway) I see some great players at the ECNL level and I see some great players at the MLS Next level. As for who gets the child the correct training and exposes them, well we will see in the coming years. I do see 1 possibly 2 ECNL teams going back or at least trying to go back to higher league play. Another wrinkle coming is going to be the USL Academy. Not that far off in this area. [/quote]
Yes that is true about USL. I heard them splitting ties with MLS so they could potentially have their own league now or be apart of an established league or maybe create their own. [/quote] Another fracture that further weakens the landscape. Everyone looking to get their share of the billion dollar industry. It's sad really. The consumer loses. |
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[quote=Anonymous]Another fracture that further weakens the landscape. Everyone looking to get their share of the billion dollar industry. It's sad really. [b]The consumer loses.[/b] [/quote]
How does the consumer lose, by having more options? |
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Another fracture that further weakens the landscape. Everyone looking to get their share of the billion dollar industry. It's sad really. [b]The consumer loses.[/b] [/quote]
How does the consumer lose, by having more options?[/quote] The theory is that if the experience depends on the talent of everybody else playing with your kid, less concentration of talent among clubs and teams reduces the value of playing. It's not crazy. Imagine how different the NBA would look with 60 teams instead of 30 teams. There would be some pretty bad teams among the 60. Now imagine if it were 90, etc. |
Anonymous
| Do you really think there are any clubs left to bolt to USL if it starts up for an academy league? |
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=PFPsisman10][quote=Anonymous]I do not think either MLS Next or ECNL for the new teams can say that's what got the kid to college. (pathway) I see some great players at the ECNL level and I see some great players at the MLS Next level. As for who gets the child the correct training and exposes them, well we will see in the coming years. I do see 1 possibly 2 ECNL teams going back or at least trying to go back to higher league play. Another wrinkle coming is going to be the USL Academy. Not that far off in this area. [/quote]
Yes that is true about USL. I heard them splitting ties with MLS so they could potentially have their own league now or be apart of an established league or maybe create their own. [/quote] Another fracture that further weakens the landscape. Everyone looking to get their share of the billion dollar industry. It's sad really. The consumer loses. [/quote] What does this even mean?? 🤣🤣 |
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| yes |
Anonymous
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Another fracture that further weakens the landscape. Everyone looking to get their share of the billion dollar industry. It's sad really. [b]The consumer loses.[/b] [/quote]
How does the consumer lose, by having more options?[/quote] Talent dilution. It happened when any child had the ability to play travel. 6 teams per age group. There never should be more than an A and a B team. And that should be fluid. You should continually prove guy belong on A team and get bumped down when you no longer belong there...and have to fight your way back up. We removed all level of competition with infinite teams and leagues. It is an industry about making $. |
Anonymous
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You’re on to something here, but the phrase “talent dilution” doesn’t quite cover it.
What if, and I know this is crazy, a team actually had to beat other teams in order to show that they belong at a certain level or in a certain league? So, in the context of this thread, what if there was a system through which membership in the ECNL/MLSNext/EDP National league actually had to be earned and—wait for it—could also be lost if warranted by poor results? Having A, B, C, etc teams doesn’t “dilute” talent. I don’t even understand how that would work. Anointing clubs/teams with top-tier status, regardless of results, all but ensures mediocrity will prevail. But that’s how American sports work, right? Lose every game and you are in no danger of getting kicked out of the league—hey, we’ll even give you first choice of up-and-coming talent, no matter whether they prefer to avoid your shit organization. If Arlington, BA, and Bethesda (for example) all beat DCU’s academy in a given age group, would they be in the higher league? Of course not—this is America! |
Anonymous
My son plays at one of the new members, but I've long thought that EDP has it right on pro/rel, and that membership in elite tier should be earned over time on a team-by-team basis. The most realistic alternative in the short term would be a system where DCU, Bethesda, Armour and other core MLSNext members would face top local teams who be promoted or relegated season over season. You would need a fallback for teams that don't make it (again EDP seems pretty logical). |
Anonymous
NCSL has the same pro/rel. |
Anonymous
To me, I think you only need two leagues. One that is pro/rel and one for all the clubs that are afraid of pro/rel and hide behind club centric development. Looking at you CCL. : ) However, for all of us pro/rel people, the problem that NCSL would have to address is area of coverage. I believe EDP took off because the top MD teams in NCSL wanted to compete with the better PA and NJ teams. EDP was able to attract those teams from MD and a few from VA. Now they have 2nd and 3rd divisions in EDP that are weaker than or comparable to 1st and 2nd divisions in NCSL. EDP has several geographic divisions so it's not like VA teams in EDP are playing NJ teams or PA teams. But yes, it makes total sense for the top division of a league be Bethesda, Alexandria, Pipeline, SAC, Baltimore Armour, Arlington, Achilles, Springfield, VDA, Loudoun and start there and let Pro-Rel take care of the rest. Yes, I understand that that the big clubs don't want to risk losing to a small club or get relegated but that's what makes it all exciting. Plus, this way, being in the top division of the league would actually mean something. The Baltimore teams would have to decide on whether or not to go with the PA/NJ division of the DMV division. |
Anonymous
It could be done, it would take every league being on the same page and being under 1 umbrella. It would make it exciting and more competitive at all levels |