"Children May Be Driving the Pandemic After All" - der Spiegel (kids "quite efficient at spreading")

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, I wonder which region decided to keep schools closed and public health restrictions in place. Really hard to tell here.



https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/6/e2020027425

Those spikes in the South and Midwest occurred BEFORE schools opened up. If we are doing shitty interpretations of data, I'd like to declare the bringing kids back to school actually lead to a lowering of the case rate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I wonder which region decided to keep schools closed and public health restrictions in place. Really hard to tell here.



https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/6/e2020027425

Those spikes in the South and Midwest occurred BEFORE schools opened up. If we are doing shitty interpretations of data, I'd like to declare the bringing kids back to school actually lead to a lowering of the case rate.

Those spikes in the South and Midwest occurred concurrently with their states opening up and everyone going crazy as their brief lockdown ended. Everything from summer schools to camps to beaches to vacation destinations opened up. People were traveling like crazy and flying like crazy. Meanwhile New York was putting up roadblocks and Connecticut/Rhode Island were trying to fine out-of-staters who crossed into their territory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, I wonder which region decided to keep schools closed and public health restrictions in place. Really hard to tell here.



https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/6/e2020027425

Yes, it is really hard to tell there, since those charts end before school started.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I wonder which region decided to keep schools closed and public health restrictions in place. Really hard to tell here.



https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/6/e2020027425

What is this supposed to mean? The NE has had many schools open.

The majority, if not all, of Northeast cities shut down their schools for fully virtual learning and kept them closed throughout the fall including New York City, Boston, D.C. Area, Philadelphia, Newark, Baltimore, and others.

We're fortunate to have an educated community and educated workforce that prioritized community health and continue to do so.

Example -

District schools will remain fully virtual at this time

https://www.philasd.org/blog/2020/11/10/district-schools-will-remain-fully-virtual-at-this-time/

DP, and while that may be true for the large cities you mention it’s not of the rest of the Northeast. Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Maine—all the schools are open. NYC has had well-publicized issues, but reopened for elementary students.

As for the “educated community” here who “prioritized community health,” give me a break. Restaurants are full. People are still going to the gym. Moreover, COVID is not the only factor in determining health, and we need to remember that.

NYC and other places have opened/closed multiple times and only have a very limited number of kids going. They aren't all open.

All of the situations are contributing to the spread and people are too selfish to change their behavior so it will continue to spread.

Yep and 60% of NYC parents still refused to return their kids to school.

On top of that to the PP - you need to remember that number one cause of death in the United States in 2020 is Covid-19.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I wonder which region decided to keep schools closed and public health restrictions in place. Really hard to tell here.



https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/6/e2020027425

Yes, it is really hard to tell there, since those charts end before school started.

+1 This is the worst use a visual I've ever seen. It does not support the poster's point AT ALL. All over the south, numbers drastically decreased AFTER schools opened.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I wonder which region decided to keep schools closed and public health restrictions in place. Really hard to tell here.



https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/6/e2020027425

What is this supposed to mean? The NE has had many schools open.

The majority, if not all, of Northeast cities shut down their schools for fully virtual learning and kept them closed throughout the fall including New York City, Boston, D.C. Area, Philadelphia, Newark, Baltimore, and others.

We're fortunate to have an educated community and educated workforce that prioritized community health and continue to do so.

Example -

District schools will remain fully virtual at this time

https://www.philasd.org/blog/2020/11/10/district-schools-will-remain-fully-virtual-at-this-time/

DP, and while that may be true for the large cities you mention it’s not of the rest of the Northeast. Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Maine—all the schools are open. NYC has had well-publicized issues, but reopened for elementary students.

As for the “educated community” here who “prioritized community health,” give me a break. Restaurants are full. People are still going to the gym. Moreover, COVID is not the only factor in determining health, and we need to remember that.

NYC and other places have opened/closed multiple times and only have a very limited number of kids going. They aren't all open.

All of the situations are contributing to the spread and people are too selfish to change their behavior so it will continue to spread.

Yep and 60% of NYC parents still refused to return their kids to school.

On top of that to the PP - you need to remember that number one cause of death in the United States in 2020 is Covid-19.

It's actually closer to 75% of parents who opted their children out. NYC saw how serious this was in April and went through hell and back. People don't forget that quickly.

[Anonymous]

To go back to the original post, Germany may be closing schools now, as they can't get the numbers to come down without it. But they've been open for a long time, and when numbers get under control, they will reopen again. This seems like a reasonable approach. In the US, we both had schools opening with abandon (no matter what the numbers) and schools staying closed since Marcy even in places where community spread was low but non-zero. We did not prioritize schools. Bars and restaurants opened before schools in many cities. It's abysmal.

I don't think we should open schools now, and even when/if case numbers improve, we should not open them normally at full capacity. But we should be prioritizing high need kids ASAP, and all kids in general. But, with no federal government financial support for those who are unable to work, it was essential to keep businesses open so people (including kids and their parents) can put food on the table and a roof over their head.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, I wonder which region decided to keep schools closed and public health restrictions in place. Really hard to tell here.



https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/6/e2020027425

Yes, it is really hard to tell there, since those charts end before school started.

+1 This is the worst use a visual I've ever seen. It does not support the poster's point AT ALL. All over the south, numbers drastically decreased AFTER schools opened.

Link? Because I live in SC right now and our numbers keep increasing as they have brought elementary, then middle school students back in Greenville county. High schools start back face to face in January. It is like watching a train wreck.

[Anonymous]

The U.K. thinks schools are the spread as well. They just went back into Tier 4 lockdown and people are furious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I wonder which region decided to keep schools closed and public health restrictions in place. Really hard to tell here.



https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/6/e2020027425

Yes, it is really hard to tell there, since those charts end before school started.

+1 This is the worst use a visual I've ever seen. It does not support the poster's point AT ALL. All over the south, numbers drastically decreased AFTER schools opened.

Link? Because I live in SC right now and our numbers keep increasing as they have brought elementary, then middle school students back in Greenville county. High schools start back face to face in January. It is like watching a train wreck.

Someone disaggregated the virtual students from the in person students in Greenville county. The impact on the infection rate calculations is striking.

https://gcsdvirus.info/img/graph.png

https://gcsdvirus.info/?fbclid=IwAR0YuwybZ_ynfKUS5Kc-2jlBqTtubzYhxWY3FtN6A3iS-jqXPUjrz2of3zc

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, I wonder which region decided to keep schools closed and public health restrictions in place. Really hard to tell here.



https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/6/e2020027425

Yes, it is really hard to tell there, since those charts end before school started.

+1 This is the worst use a visual I've ever seen. It does not support the poster's point AT ALL. All over the south, numbers drastically decreased AFTER schools opened.

Link? Because I live in SC right now and our numbers keep increasing as they have brought elementary, then middle school students back in Greenville county. High schools start back face to face in January. It is like watching a train wreck.

Someone disaggregated the virtual students from the in person students in Greenville county. The impact on the infection rate calculations is striking.

https://gcsdvirus.info/img/graph.png

https://gcsdvirus.info/?fbclid=IwAR0YuwybZ_ynfKUS5Kc-2jlBqTtubzYhxWY3FtN6A3iS-jqXPUjrz2of3zc

Jesus.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I wonder which region decided to keep schools closed and public health restrictions in place. Really hard to tell here.



https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/6/e2020027425

Yes, it is really hard to tell there, since those charts end before school started.

+1 This is the worst use a visual I've ever seen. It does not support the poster's point AT ALL. All over the south, numbers drastically decreased AFTER schools opened.

Link? Because I live in SC right now and our numbers keep increasing as they have brought elementary, then middle school students back in Greenville county. High schools start back face to face in January. It is like watching a train wreck.

Someone disaggregated the virtual students from the in person students in Greenville county. The impact on the infection rate calculations is striking.

https://gcsdvirus.info/img/graph.png

https://gcsdvirus.info/?fbclid=IwAR0YuwybZ_ynfKUS5Kc-2jlBqTtubzYhxWY3FtN6A3iS-jqXPUjrz2of3zc

Jesus.

Surprise. In-person students have significantly higher incidents of Covid+.



https://gcsdvirus.info/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I wonder which region decided to keep schools closed and public health restrictions in place. Really hard to tell here.



https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/6/e2020027425

Yes, it is really hard to tell there, since those charts end before school started.

+1 This is the worst use a visual I've ever seen. It does not support the poster's point AT ALL. All over the south, numbers drastically decreased AFTER schools opened.

Link? Because I live in SC right now and our numbers keep increasing as they have brought elementary, then middle school students back in Greenville county. High schools start back face to face in January. It is like watching a train wreck.

Someone disaggregated the virtual students from the in person students in Greenville county. The impact on the infection rate calculations is striking.

https://gcsdvirus.info/img/graph.png

https://gcsdvirus.info/?fbclid=IwAR0YuwybZ_ynfKUS5Kc-2jlBqTtubzYhxWY3FtN6A3iS-jqXPUjrz2of3zc

Jesus.

Surprise. In-person students have significantly higher incidents of Covid+.



https://gcsdvirus.info/

I thought the staff infection rate (red line) was awful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, I wonder which region decided to keep schools closed and public health restrictions in place. Really hard to tell here.



https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/6/e2020027425

What is this supposed to mean? The NE has had many schools open.

The majority, if not all, of Northeast cities shut down their schools for fully virtual learning and kept them closed throughout the fall including New York City, Boston, D.C. Area, Philadelphia, Newark, Baltimore, and others.

We're fortunate to have an educated community and educated workforce that prioritized community health and continue to do so.

Example -

District schools will remain fully virtual at this time

https://www.philasd.org/blog/2020/11/10/district-schools-will-remain-fully-virtual-at-this-time/

DP, and while that may be true for the large cities you mention it’s not of the rest of the Northeast. Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Maine—all the schools are open. NYC has had well-publicized issues, but reopened for elementary students.

As for the “educated community” here who “prioritized community health,” give me a break. Restaurants are full. People are still going to the gym. Moreover, COVID is not the only factor in determining health, and we need to remember that.

Rhode Island? LOL. You might want to take a quick peek at where Rhode Island is on the COVID leaderboard before you start holding them up as a shining example. Hint: They're even now "beating" the Dakotas.

[Anonymous]

New UK mutation of Covid which is 70% more infectious now explicitly linked to children.

He said it is possible the surge of the new variant, called B.1.1.7, during the November lockdown — which occurred in school term-time — could have happened because the variant is better at infecting children than past SARS-CoV-2 iterations.

Researchers believe the new virus strain, which Matt Hancock said is 'out of control', is between 50 and 70 per cent more infectious, but don't believe it is more deadly or causes any more severe disease in either adults or children.