For the “think of the children” and “open schools now” crowd

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Friends and family of mine missed school growing up in a war zone. They agree kids need to get back to school ASAP, because they know firsthand the harm.

Kids today are getting some instruction. You may not like the way the instruction is delivered (I don't really either), but they are getting some instruction. Most counties are trying hard to provide meals/food for people who are hurting.

They are not living in a warzone. Some of you are really off your rocker. What is going on now in no way is comparable to a warzone.

Me: my friends and family who grew up in a war zone think this is harmful
You: this is not literally a warzone

Wow very responsive

I'm the potus posting on here. Do you see how that works?

I grew up poor, in this country. I could tell you horrible things I went through as a child, but even so, it was a lot better than growing up in a warzone. By no means is DL as bad as living in a warzone. That's insulting to people who lived through it.

My parents lived through a warzone as tween/teen. Escaped communists, became refugees, etc..They have told me some real horror stories, and not even all of what they went through. My one parent saw a head on a spike when my parent was ES aged. By no means is DL in any way shape or form, comparable to what they went through.

Is that a better response?

It seems like you still don’t get it. It’s the war zone survivors in my life who keep making this comparison. So saying they’re insulting themselves isn’t very coherent.

[Anonymous]

Tell yourself what you want, but the WaPo editorial board and also everyone else is starting to see I’m right to value in person education even in a pandemic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/students-have-already-lost-too-much-time-they-need-to-be-back-in-classrooms/2020/12/04/44495cf8-350a-11eb-8d38-6aea1adb3839_story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Friends and family of mine missed school growing up in a war zone. They agree kids need to get back to school ASAP, because they know firsthand the harm.

Kids today are getting some instruction. You may not like the way the instruction is delivered (I don't really either), but they are getting some instruction. Most counties are trying hard to provide meals/food for people who are hurting.

They are not living in a warzone. Some of you are really off your rocker. What is going on now in no way is comparable to a warzone.

Me: my friends and family who grew up in a war zone think this is harmful
You: this is not literally a warzone

Wow very responsive

I'm the potus posting on here. Do you see how that works?

I grew up poor, in this country. I could tell you horrible things I went through as a child, but even so, it was a lot better than growing up in a warzone. By no means is DL as bad as living in a warzone. That's insulting to people who lived through it.

My parents lived through a warzone as tween/teen. Escaped communists, became refugees, etc..They have told me some real horror stories, and not even all of what they went through. My one parent saw a head on a spike when my parent was ES aged. By no means is DL in any way shape or form, comparable to what they went through.

Is that a better response?

It seems like you still don’t get it. It’s the war zone survivors in my life who keep making this comparison. So saying they’re insulting themselves isn’t very coherent.

DP. My war refugee relatives find the failure of education here appalling. Even in a war zone, children's education was prioritized, not abandoned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The consensus among public health experts is that school can and should reopen safely.

Suicides among kids are up.

But sure — continue to say it’s no big deal, and that kids need to just buck up.

Its been almost a year, please document this claim. I googled it and all I see are "if it bleeds it leads" local news stories.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They will be fine, and people have had it far worse:

"For the “think of the children” and “open schools now” crowd"

Just to be clear, the “think of the children” and “open schools now” crowd is also the "Betsy DeVos crowd".

If you are screaming "open the schools now", you're either a Republican, or you have lined up unwittingly behind the Republicans (that want to privatize our schools and harm our children to make money).

Either way, I will pity you for being so misled, and I will fight against you to do the right thing for our children, which is the opposite of the right thing for Betsy DeVos.

yes ... all of us who are upset only kids with money can go to school are republicans... can you even hear yourself??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no evidence that opening of school has caused clusters of outbreaks. According to the CDC Director (today on CSpAN interview) - tracing evidence shows that the teachers that contracted COVID did not get it via school - it was through a family member or outside activity.

So Stop the BS Misinformation. School aged kids in school are NOT causing outbreaks.

Those that want school open have read the facts. Had this country rushed to protect the most vulnerable (40% of deaths are in nursing/skilled care homes) and our children - we would be in a better place.

And to the OP - sharing that cartoon, is, in fact, offensive to Jewish people.

Oh my god. They can't trace 80% of COVID infections but the new opinion du jour is that of course it was never the school, and we should just believe that, okay! Please, all the "follow the science" people can't articulate one reason that schools would "scientifically" be transmission free zones. Please, tell us the science behind that. Dying to know! I keep hearing things like, "Kids are wearing masks." I'm here to tell you that they aren't wearing them consistently or effectively (under the nose, touching their faces, etc.), and that we are pressured to give multiple "mask breaks" a day in enclosed spaces. Kids eat two meals a day in my classroom, obviously unmasked, and there is no hurrying them through it. We know that spread is increasingly likely the longer you are indoors in a poorly ventilated room with an infected person, especially during these multiple prolonged instances where people are unmasked. Don't tell me that "scientifically" restaurants are wildly dangerous but schools are incredibly safe. No one spends 7 hours a day eating in a restaurant, five days a week. It is so obviously false.

The CDC just changed their guidance and has reclassified opening schools as high risk. The current COVID positivity rate is highest for children ages 5-17 than any other demographic. Infection rates have exploded in places like NYC since September and have steadily gone up, while people continue to insist that of course it couldn't be the schools! We're now hearing that magically it's only "small private gatherings" causing people to get sick, as if COVID suddenly pops up in your living room and you aren't contracting it from someone who got it on the subway, at work, in a supermarket, in a restaurant, or in a school. It is indisputably evident that the more contacts you have the greater your risk for contracting COVID. We continue to see record infections and deaths and people still insist that this one area will be safe. It is so blatantly untrue.

yes, your anecotes are so much more persuasive than public health experts.

Considering what Redfield considers "expert" advice, anecdotes maybe worth more than bananas.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/24/health/cdc-schools-coronavirus-website-redfield/index.html

[Anonymous]

I like that the open schools movement is bipartisan. I’m all about bringing people together where we can.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no evidence that opening of school has caused clusters of outbreaks. According to the CDC Director (today on CSpAN interview) - tracing evidence shows that the teachers that contracted COVID did not get it via school - it was through a family member or outside activity.

So Stop the BS Misinformation. School aged kids in school are NOT causing outbreaks.

Those that want school open have read the facts. Had this country rushed to protect the most vulnerable (40% of deaths are in nursing/skilled care homes) and our children - we would be in a better place.

And to the OP - sharing that cartoon, is, in fact, offensive to Jewish people.

Oh my god. They can't trace 80% of COVID infections but the new opinion du jour is that of course it was never the school, and we should just believe that, okay! Please, all the "follow the science" people can't articulate one reason that schools would "scientifically" be transmission free zones. Please, tell us the science behind that. Dying to know! I keep hearing things like, "Kids are wearing masks." I'm here to tell you that they aren't wearing them consistently or effectively (under the nose, touching their faces, etc.), and that we are pressured to give multiple "mask breaks" a day in enclosed spaces. Kids eat two meals a day in my classroom, obviously unmasked, and there is no hurrying them through it. We know that spread is increasingly likely the longer you are indoors in a poorly ventilated room with an infected person, especially during these multiple prolonged instances where people are unmasked. Don't tell me that "scientifically" restaurants are wildly dangerous but schools are incredibly safe. No one spends 7 hours a day eating in a restaurant, five days a week. It is so obviously false.

The CDC just changed their guidance and has reclassified opening schools as high risk. The current COVID positivity rate is highest for children ages 5-17 than any other demographic. Infection rates have exploded in places like NYC since September and have steadily gone up, while people continue to insist that of course it couldn't be the schools! We're now hearing that magically it's only "small private gatherings" causing people to get sick, as if COVID suddenly pops up in your living room and you aren't contracting it from someone who got it on the subway, at work, in a supermarket, in a restaurant, or in a school. It is indisputably evident that the more contacts you have the greater your risk for contracting COVID. We continue to see record infections and deaths and people still insist that this one area will be safe. It is so blatantly untrue.

yes, your anecotes are so much more persuasive than public health experts.

Considering what Redfield considers "expert" advice, anecdotes maybe worth more than bananas.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/24/health/cdc-schools-coronavirus-website-redfield/index.html

Why are you talking about Redfield as if he’s the only person saying we need to work harder to open schools? Everyone is saying it. You’re pitiful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What the actual f??? How absurd. I can’t even begin but let’s start with the fact that in this metaphor, the teachers unions are the nazis, since they are the ones keeping schools closed while private and catholic schools and publics elsewhere are open. And I won’t even get into how offensive this is to Jews.

I’m Jewish. Delete your account.

[Anonymous]

I don't understand this kind of reasoning. So, it is not as bad as being killed by the Nazis? I mean you are not making much of a point that if you have to bring Holocaust to tell the kids they are having it good.
Why not just tell them, 1000 years ago most of them would have been slaves in Rome, butchered for blood sacrifices, buried alive, died of starvation, etc..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tell yourself what you want, but the WaPo editorial board and also everyone else is starting to see I’m right to value in person education even in a pandemic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/students-have-already-lost-too-much-time-they-need-to-be-back-in-classrooms/2020/12/04/44495cf8-350a-11eb-8d38-6aea1adb3839_story.html

Fauci says to get kids back in school

NYC is opening back up for all grades today.

Increasingly, it’s just us.

[Anonymous]

This is a troll bc no one in their right mind would think that we can only care about things if they are The Worst Things Possible.

[Anonymous]

I know, people keep bringing up the Holocaust or WWI and WWII to justify what is happening. WTAF people.

If this ^ is your bare minimum, you have no standards. It's perfectly valid to expect more out of life than genocide and world war.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tell yourself what you want, but the WaPo editorial board and also everyone else is starting to see I’m right to value in person education even in a pandemic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/students-have-already-lost-too-much-time-they-need-to-be-back-in-classrooms/2020/12/04/44495cf8-350a-11eb-8d38-6aea1adb3839_story.html

Fauci says to get kids back in school

NYC is opening back up for all grades today.

Increasingly, it’s just us.

I don't get how this fact can be lost on people. States with higher case rates are open without outbreaks in their schools. If your child learns well by virutal learning and is not falling behind, fabulous. Otherwise, what is this nonsense here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They will be fine, and people have had it far worse:

"For the “think of the children” and “open schools now” crowd"

Just to be clear, the “think of the children” and “open schools now” crowd is also the "Betsy DeVos crowd".

If you are screaming "open the schools now", you're either a Republican, or you have lined up unwittingly behind the Republicans (that want to privatize our schools and harm our children to make money).

Either way, I will pity you for being so misled, and I will fight against you to do the right thing for our children, which is the opposite of the right thing for Betsy DeVos.

yes ... all of us who are upset only kids with money can go to school are republicans... can you even hear yourself??

And some of us who often look to Europe for more progressive policies have noticed that they're prioritizing open schools. Are they Republicans too?