For the “think of the children” and “open schools now” crowd

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What the actual f??? How absurd. I can’t even begin but let’s start with the fact that in this metaphor, the teachers unions are the nazis, since they are the ones keeping schools closed while private and catholic schools and publics elsewhere are open. And I won’t even get into how offensive this is to Jews.

Honestly curious how this is offensive to Jews? Perhaps you should write the cartoonist?

what if he had said “your great grandmother had to wait until she was 50 to be freed from slavery?” What if a white cartoonist drew this same cartoon with white characters and the white father said “Black people were slaves for 200 years. Stop complaining.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I expect more of our society than what the Jews had to live under Nazi rule. If you don’t, I am concerned about your mental health.

And yes, your kids live in luxury with climate control, fresh food and water, access to endless information and entertainment. Hence we agree they will be fine

Honestly, how the hell do you know how my kids will be at the end of this? Some kids won’t be fine so your blanket statement is naive.

But they will be alive, and the other stuff can be dealt with over time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People aren't upset because this is the worst thing that could possibly happen. Of course it's not. For many of us (myself included), the pandemic and isolation and school closures are not even close to the worst thing that has happened to me in my lifetime.

People are upset because there is absolutely no reason it has to be this way. We are keeping kids home from school while people gather in bars and restaurants and crowd into private parties and go on vacation. It is nonsensical. That's where the anger and frustration comes from -- the knowledge that we are asking children and working parents to shoulder the burden of this pandemic while refusing to ask almost anything of young professionals, the wealthy, or large businesses. It's a question of values. The appropriate comparison is not Nazi Germany (hi, this is almost never the appropriate comparison), but something more like Stalinist Russia where ordinary people suffered while those closest to the levers of power did not, all in the name of "shared sacrifice."

Bars and restaurants are open b/c we don’t have federal aid. Shutting them down will cause mass poetry and likely riots.

Just because some people are acting foolish and doing private parties and vacations doesn’t mean you double down on stupid and crowd kids back to school.

Yes!

[Anonymous]

The consensus among public health experts is that school can and should reopen safely.

Suicides among kids are up.

But sure — continue to say it’s no big deal, and that kids need to just buck up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The consensus among public health experts is that school can and should reopen safely.

Suicides among kids are up.

But sure — continue to say it’s no big deal, and that kids need to just buck up.

Or we can say that is the responsibility of the parents to take on mental health issues. This is where they'll play a pivotal role in the next year.

[Anonymous]

I am the parent of a current senior in high school who contemplated suicide in middle school. Mental health stability is a real issue with our teens now a days; but I agree with the above post. It is the responsibility of the parents to get involved and stay involved. If you're worried about the mental health of your children right now, then do something about it. Do not wait for schools to open or think that reopening schools will solve the problem.

[Anonymous]

There is no evidence that opening of school has caused clusters of outbreaks. According to the CDC Director (today on CSpAN interview) - tracing evidence shows that the teachers that contracted COVID did not get it via school - it was through a family member or outside activity.

So Stop the BS Misinformation. School aged kids in school are NOT causing outbreaks.

Those that want school open have read the facts. Had this country rushed to protect the most vulnerable (40% of deaths are in nursing/skilled care homes) and our children - we would be in a better place.

And to the OP - sharing that cartoon, is, in fact, offensive to Jewish people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no evidence that opening of school has caused clusters of outbreaks. According to the CDC Director (today on CSpAN interview) - tracing evidence shows that the teachers that contracted COVID did not get it via school - it was through a family member or outside activity.

So Stop the BS Misinformation. School aged kids in school are NOT causing outbreaks.

Those that want school open have read the facts. Had this country rushed to protect the most vulnerable (40% of deaths are in nursing/skilled care homes) and our children - we would be in a better place.

And to the OP - sharing that cartoon, is, in fact, offensive to Jewish people.

Oh my god. They can't trace 80% of COVID infections but the new opinion du jour is that of course it was never the school, and we should just believe that, okay! Please, all the "follow the science" people can't articulate one reason that schools would "scientifically" be transmission free zones. Please, tell us the science behind that. Dying to know! I keep hearing things like, "Kids are wearing masks." I'm here to tell you that they aren't wearing them consistently or effectively (under the nose, touching their faces, etc.), and that we are pressured to give multiple "mask breaks" a day in enclosed spaces. Kids eat two meals a day in my classroom, obviously unmasked, and there is no hurrying them through it. We know that spread is increasingly likely the longer you are indoors in a poorly ventilated room with an infected person, especially during these multiple prolonged instances where people are unmasked. Don't tell me that "scientifically" restaurants are wildly dangerous but schools are incredibly safe. No one spends 7 hours a day eating in a restaurant, five days a week. It is so obviously false.

The CDC just changed their guidance and has reclassified opening schools as high risk. The current COVID positivity rate is highest for children ages 5-17 than any other demographic. Infection rates have exploded in places like NYC since September and have steadily gone up, while people continue to insist that of course it couldn't be the schools! We're now hearing that magically it's only "small private gatherings" causing people to get sick, as if COVID suddenly pops up in your living room and you aren't contracting it from someone who got it on the subway, at work, in a supermarket, in a restaurant, or in a school. It is indisputably evident that the more contacts you have the greater your risk for contracting COVID. We continue to see record infections and deaths and people still insist that this one area will be safe. It is so blatantly untrue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the parent of a current senior in high school who contemplated suicide in middle school. Mental health stability is a real issue with our teens now a days; but I agree with the above post. It is the responsibility of the parents to get involved and stay involved. If you're worried about the mental health of your children right now, then do something about it. Do not wait for schools to open or think that reopening schools will solve the problem.

x1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no evidence that opening of school has caused clusters of outbreaks. According to the CDC Director (today on CSpAN interview) - tracing evidence shows that the teachers that contracted COVID did not get it via school - it was through a family member or outside activity.

So Stop the BS Misinformation. School aged kids in school are NOT causing outbreaks.

Those that want school open have read the facts. Had this country rushed to protect the most vulnerable (40% of deaths are in nursing/skilled care homes) and our children - we would be in a better place.

And to the OP - sharing that cartoon, is, in fact, offensive to Jewish people.

Oh my god. They can't trace 80% of COVID infections but the new opinion du jour is that of course it was never the school, and we should just believe that, okay! Please, all the "follow the science" people can't articulate one reason that schools would "scientifically" be transmission free zones. Please, tell us the science behind that. Dying to know! I keep hearing things like, "Kids are wearing masks." I'm here to tell you that they aren't wearing them consistently or effectively (under the nose, touching their faces, etc.), and that we are pressured to give multiple "mask breaks" a day in enclosed spaces. Kids eat two meals a day in my classroom, obviously unmasked, and there is no hurrying them through it. We know that spread is increasingly likely the longer you are indoors in a poorly ventilated room with an infected person, especially during these multiple prolonged instances where people are unmasked. Don't tell me that "scientifically" restaurants are wildly dangerous but schools are incredibly safe. No one spends 7 hours a day eating in a restaurant, five days a week. It is so obviously false.

The CDC just changed their guidance and has reclassified opening schools as high risk. The current COVID positivity rate is highest for children ages 5-17 than any other demographic. Infection rates have exploded in places like NYC since September and have steadily gone up, while people continue to insist that of course it couldn't be the schools! We're now hearing that magically it's only "small private gatherings" causing people to get sick, as if COVID suddenly pops up in your living room and you aren't contracting it from someone who got it on the subway, at work, in a supermarket, in a restaurant, or in a school. It is indisputably evident that the more contacts you have the greater your risk for contracting COVID. We continue to see record infections and deaths and people still insist that this one area will be safe. It is so blatantly untrue.

yes, your anecotes are so much more persuasive than public health experts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no evidence that opening of school has caused clusters of outbreaks. According to the CDC Director (today on CSpAN interview) - tracing evidence shows that the teachers that contracted COVID did not get it via school - it was through a family member or outside activity.

So Stop the BS Misinformation. School aged kids in school are NOT causing outbreaks.

Those that want school open have read the facts. Had this country rushed to protect the most vulnerable (40% of deaths are in nursing/skilled care homes) and our children - we would be in a better place.

And to the OP - sharing that cartoon, is, in fact, offensive to Jewish people.

Oh my god. They can't trace 80% of COVID infections but the new opinion du jour is that of course it was never the school, and we should just believe that, okay! Please, all the "follow the science" people can't articulate one reason that schools would "scientifically" be transmission free zones. Please, tell us the science behind that. Dying to know! I keep hearing things like, "Kids are wearing masks." I'm here to tell you that they aren't wearing them consistently or effectively (under the nose, touching their faces, etc.), and that we are pressured to give multiple "mask breaks" a day in enclosed spaces. Kids eat two meals a day in my classroom, obviously unmasked, and there is no hurrying them through it. We know that spread is increasingly likely the longer you are indoors in a poorly ventilated room with an infected person, especially during these multiple prolonged instances where people are unmasked. Don't tell me that "scientifically" restaurants are wildly dangerous but schools are incredibly safe. No one spends 7 hours a day eating in a restaurant, five days a week. It is so obviously false.

The CDC just changed their guidance and has reclassified opening schools as high risk. The current COVID positivity rate is highest for children ages 5-17 than any other demographic. Infection rates have exploded in places like NYC since September and have steadily gone up, while people continue to insist that of course it couldn't be the schools! We're now hearing that magically it's only "small private gatherings" causing people to get sick, as if COVID suddenly pops up in your living room and you aren't contracting it from someone who got it on the subway, at work, in a supermarket, in a restaurant, or in a school. It is indisputably evident that the more contacts you have the greater your risk for contracting COVID. We continue to see record infections and deaths and people still insist that this one area will be safe. It is so blatantly untrue.

yes, your anecotes are so much more persuasive than public health experts.

also the CDC did not “change is guidance” on schools. They have a color-coded risk level chart indicating the low risk scenarios. https://mobile.edweek.org/c.jsp?cid=25920011&item=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.edweek.org%2Fv1%2Fblog%2F49%2Findex.html%3Fuuid%3D81333

[Anonymous]

And you know why we all heard of Anne Frank??? Because it was so unbelievable that it happened.
You cannot make the comparison between what is happening now and what was so awful about that time that we have all heard about it so many years later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no evidence that opening of school has caused clusters of outbreaks. According to the CDC Director (today on CSpAN interview) - tracing evidence shows that the teachers that contracted COVID did not get it via school - it was through a family member or outside activity.

So Stop the BS Misinformation. School aged kids in school are NOT causing outbreaks.

Those that want school open have read the facts. Had this country rushed to protect the most vulnerable (40% of deaths are in nursing/skilled care homes) and our children - we would be in a better place.

And to the OP - sharing that cartoon, is, in fact, offensive to Jewish people.

Oh my god. They can't trace 80% of COVID infections but the new opinion du jour is that of course it was never the school, and we should just believe that, okay! Please, all the "follow the science" people can't articulate one reason that schools would "scientifically" be transmission free zones. Please, tell us the science behind that. Dying to know! I keep hearing things like, "Kids are wearing masks." I'm here to tell you that they aren't wearing them consistently or effectively (under the nose, touching their faces, etc.), and that we are pressured to give multiple "mask breaks" a day in enclosed spaces. Kids eat two meals a day in my classroom, obviously unmasked, and there is no hurrying them through it. We know that spread is increasingly likely the longer you are indoors in a poorly ventilated room with an infected person, especially during these multiple prolonged instances where people are unmasked. Don't tell me that "scientifically" restaurants are wildly dangerous but schools are incredibly safe. No one spends 7 hours a day eating in a restaurant, five days a week. It is so obviously false.

The CDC just changed their guidance and has reclassified opening schools as high risk. The current COVID positivity rate is highest for children ages 5-17 than any other demographic. Infection rates have exploded in places like NYC since September and have steadily gone up, while people continue to insist that of course it couldn't be the schools! We're now hearing that magically it's only "small private gatherings" causing people to get sick, as if COVID suddenly pops up in your living room and you aren't contracting it from someone who got it on the subway, at work, in a supermarket, in a restaurant, or in a school. It is indisputably evident that the more contacts you have the greater your risk for contracting COVID. We continue to see record infections and deaths and people still insist that this one area will be safe. It is so blatantly untrue.

yes, your anecotes are so much more persuasive than public health experts.

Yes, your hot takes from what you cherry picked from a few public health experts discussing schools were really persuasive. If you'd like me to I can share some data that supports my position-but you didn't do that, either. You are also openly admitting you have NO anecdotal experience at all, as you do not work in a school. You know who else doesn't work in a school or have a realistic idea of what these "gold standard precautions" look like on the ground? Robert Redfield.

[Anonymous]

I thought the black dad was going to say something like. “Your ancestors would be killed if they were allowed to read. We weren’t even taught by white teachers until X many years ago. You’ll be fine”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They will be fine, and people have had it far worse:

"For the “think of the children” and “open schools now” crowd"

Just to be clear, the “think of the children” and “open schools now” crowd is also the "Betsy DeVos crowd".

If you are screaming "open the schools now", you're either a Republican, or you have lined up unwittingly behind the Republicans (that want to privatize our schools and harm our children to make money).

Either way, I will pity you for being so misled, and I will fight against you to do the right thing for our children, which is the opposite of the right thing for Betsy DeVos.