Rezoning Lafayette ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:sitting here giddy with popcorn watching white people freak out that their pathway might get moved while the whole time trashing teachers.

WTU and the council will make this happen.

Oh the karma - I can't wait.

You dont feel.hateful when you write stuff like this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They could move Oyster and Bancroft to MacFarland and Roosevelt with the other bilingual programs (make Oyster a PK-5 program spread across the current Oyster and Adams campuses and you also get a lot more bilingual PK seats), and Shepherd and Lafayette to Wells and Coolidge. If you need to enlarge these schools, fine--you'll spend no more than you would enlarging Deal and Wilson, and you'll create more diverse and high-performing schools. Moving the early college magnet from Coolidge to Cardozo or Dunbar would also free up some space.

And yes to ending feeder rights--if you get in OOB to a school you get into that school, not the middle and high school it feeds into. If an MS or HS has extra space, people can lottery in for that. No reason why a family who won the lottery with a 3yo needs to be lucky for the next 15-20+ years (including siblings). It sucks for people who move to DC later or for whatever reason couldn't trek across town with a toddler. This would also help people stay at ESs that they like rather than lotterying every year for a chance at a better MS/HS feeder.

It's easy for people who live in-bounds for Deal and Wilson feeders to say this is the solution, but booting kids who currently expect to have feeder rights after lotterying in doesn't really seem fair. (And I say that as the parent of in-bound Janney kids.)

+1. We're in bounds too, but you can't just rip away their futures that they were given.

But you’re totally OK with 200+ kids being fed into Wells and Coolidge? Because it’ll be fine?

That large of a group of kids coming from high-performing ESes? Yes, it will be fine. That's a big enough group that it will change the schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:sitting here giddy with popcorn watching white people freak out that their pathway might get moved while the whole time trashing teachers.

WTU and the council will make this happen.

Oh the karma - I can't wait.

You dont feel.hateful when you write stuff like this?

+1
Pathetic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know of at least 10 students in my child's class in elementary school who enrolled when they were renting IB - and then moved.

They were allowed to stay and even through POLICY is that they need to move back to their IB school at the truncating grade, this does not happen.

Also - the principal made space for their younger siblings. So the younger sibling got in through the lottery (OOB with sibling preference) and in theory now has "RIGHTS" to the full feeder path.

In my opinion, this loop hole is needs to be closed. It is used by those with means - and does not foster equity. (Why should this sibling have more rights to an OOB spot than a random person applying?)

Closing this loophole with reduce students coming from feeders to Deal. Think about it - out of a class of 500, this eases capacity by about 50 students. It does not sound like a lot - but it might be enough to give the school some breathing room.

AND - Deal should also be closed to OOB lottery until they are not complaining that they have too many students. How can they simultaneously say they are overcrowded AND take students off the lottery?

These numbers sound extremely high. 10 students in a class of around 20-25 were IB kids who moved OOB and stayed? I'd be surprised if this happens for more than a couple students each year at any given DCPS. However, it's in the best interest of the children to attend the same school. I see MC/UMC parents complaining a lot about policies they don't like, but we need to remember that DCPS is looking at the entirety of the DCPS community.

Sorry - I meant GRADE

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They could move Oyster and Bancroft to MacFarland and Roosevelt with the other bilingual programs (make Oyster a PK-5 program spread across the current Oyster and Adams campuses and you also get a lot more bilingual PK seats), and Shepherd and Lafayette to Wells and Coolidge. If you need to enlarge these schools, fine--you'll spend no more than you would enlarging Deal and Wilson, and you'll create more diverse and high-performing schools. Moving the early college magnet from Coolidge to Cardozo or Dunbar would also free up some space.

And yes to ending feeder rights--if you get in OOB to a school you get into that school, not the middle and high school it feeds into. If an MS or HS has extra space, people can lottery in for that. No reason why a family who won the lottery with a 3yo needs to be lucky for the next 15-20+ years (including siblings). It sucks for people who move to DC later or for whatever reason couldn't trek across town with a toddler. This would also help people stay at ESs that they like rather than lotterying every year for a chance at a better MS/HS feeder.

It's easy for people who live in-bounds for Deal and Wilson feeders to say this is the solution, but booting kids who currently expect to have feeder rights after lotterying in doesn't really seem fair. (And I say that as the parent of in-bound Janney kids.)

+1. We're in bounds too, but you can't just rip away their futures that they were given.

But you’re totally OK with 200+ kids being fed into Wells and Coolidge? Because it’ll be fine?

That large of a group of kids coming from high-performing ESes? Yes, it will be fine. That's a big enough group that it will change the schools.

But that won’t happen. It’ll be like Capitol Hill - elementary schools are fine, kids start peeling off in upper elementary/middle school, and then no one goes to (Eastern) high school. If you could actually force high SES parents to send their kids to a certain school in order to “flip” it, then that would have been done eons ago.

Also, I’m disturbed that the only way to “improve” a school is to send a bunch of white kids there.

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Anonymous wrote:They could move Oyster and Bancroft to MacFarland and Roosevelt with the other bilingual programs (make Oyster a PK-5 program spread across the current Oyster and Adams campuses and you also get a lot more bilingual PK seats), and Shepherd and Lafayette to Wells and Coolidge. If you need to enlarge these schools, fine--you'll spend no more than you would enlarging Deal and Wilson, and you'll create more diverse and high-performing schools. Moving the early college magnet from Coolidge to Cardozo or Dunbar would also free up some space.

And yes to ending feeder rights--if you get in OOB to a school you get into that school, not the middle and high school it feeds into. If an MS or HS has extra space, people can lottery in for that. No reason why a family who won the lottery with a 3yo needs to be lucky for the next 15-20+ years (including siblings). It sucks for people who move to DC later or for whatever reason couldn't trek across town with a toddler. This would also help people stay at ESs that they like rather than lotterying every year for a chance at a better MS/HS feeder.

It's easy for people who live in-bounds for Deal and Wilson feeders to say this is the solution, but booting kids who currently expect to have feeder rights after lotterying in doesn't really seem fair. (And I say that as the parent of in-bound Janney kids.)

+1. We're in bounds too, but you can't just rip away their futures that they were given.

But you’re totally OK with 200+ kids being fed into Wells and Coolidge? Because it’ll be fine?

That large of a group of kids coming from high-performing ESes? Yes, it will be fine. That's a big enough group that it will change the schools.

But that won’t happen. It’ll be like Capitol Hill - elementary schools are fine, kids start peeling off in upper elementary/middle school, and then no one goes to (Eastern) high school. If you could actually force high SES parents to send their kids to a certain school in order to “flip” it, then that would have been done eons ago.

Also, I’m disturbed that the only way to “improve” a school is to send a bunch of white kids there.

When it comes to school performance SES more than anything dictates performance.

But otherwise in fact the way things are trending the only way to solve the overcrowding at Deal/Wilson is in fact to send a bunch of white kids elsewhere. If the school that is moved is Lafayette they will be going to schools that aren't much further away than the schools they are currently zoned for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They could move Oyster and Bancroft to MacFarland and Roosevelt with the other bilingual programs (make Oyster a PK-5 program spread across the current Oyster and Adams campuses and you also get a lot more bilingual PK seats), and Shepherd and Lafayette to Wells and Coolidge. If you need to enlarge these schools, fine--you'll spend no more than you would enlarging Deal and Wilson, and you'll create more diverse and high-performing schools. Moving the early college magnet from Coolidge to Cardozo or Dunbar would also free up some space.

And yes to ending feeder rights--if you get in OOB to a school you get into that school, not the middle and high school it feeds into. If an MS or HS has extra space, people can lottery in for that. No reason why a family who won the lottery with a 3yo needs to be lucky for the next 15-20+ years (including siblings). It sucks for people who move to DC later or for whatever reason couldn't trek across town with a toddler. This would also help people stay at ESs that they like rather than lotterying every year for a chance at a better MS/HS feeder.

It's easy for people who live in-bounds for Deal and Wilson feeders to say this is the solution, but booting kids who currently expect to have feeder rights after lotterying in doesn't really seem fair. (And I say that as the parent of in-bound Janney kids.)

+1. We're in bounds too, but you can't just rip away their futures that they were given.

But you’re totally OK with 200+ kids being fed into Wells and Coolidge? Because it’ll be fine?

That large of a group of kids coming from high-performing ESes? Yes, it will be fine. That's a big enough group that it will change the schools.

But that won’t happen. It’ll be like Capitol Hill - elementary schools are fine, kids start peeling off in upper elementary/middle school, and then no one goes to (Eastern) high school. If you could actually force high SES parents to send their kids to a certain school in order to “flip” it, then that would have been done eons ago.

Also, I’m disturbed that the only way to “improve” a school is to send a bunch of white kids there.

When it comes to school performance SES more than anything dictates performance.

But otherwise in fact the way things are trending the only way to solve the overcrowding at Deal/Wilson is in fact to send a bunch of white kids elsewhere. If the school that is moved is Lafayette they will be going to schools that aren't much further away than the schools they are currently zoned for.

Yes, SES plays a role, but it’s not just SES. It’s whiteness, which is why integrated schools are so critical and why things like busing actually worked in reducing educational disparities (https://www.chalkbeat.org/2019/7/1/21121022/did-busing-for-school-desegregation-succeed-here-s-what-research-says).

White school districts receive more public funding than non-white districts (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/report-finds-23-billion-racial-funding-gap-for-schools/2019/02/25/d562b704-3915-11e9-a06c-3ec8ed509d15_story.html). Majority white schools see higher parent contributions to HSA/PTA funds that allow the schools to add resources. Schools with majority non-white student populations engage in more punitive discipline and are more heavily policed. And on and on.

This is not about innate student ability or teachability, which is why the school reform mentality (embodied by Rhee) is so destructive—it focuses on teaching and discipline, while completely ignoring the structural issues that systemically undermine schools with majority-minority student populations.

Shifting a large number of white students out of the Deal/Wilson pyramid and into another could actually have a meaningful, positive impact on outcomes for non-white students (without hurting the outcomes for white students—see first article).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They could move Oyster and Bancroft to MacFarland and Roosevelt with the other bilingual programs (make Oyster a PK-5 program spread across the current Oyster and Adams campuses and you also get a lot more bilingual PK seats), and Shepherd and Lafayette to Wells and Coolidge. If you need to enlarge these schools, fine--you'll spend no more than you would enlarging Deal and Wilson, and you'll create more diverse and high-performing schools. Moving the early college magnet from Coolidge to Cardozo or Dunbar would also free up some space.

And yes to ending feeder rights--if you get in OOB to a school you get into that school, not the middle and high school it feeds into. If an MS or HS has extra space, people can lottery in for that. No reason why a family who won the lottery with a 3yo needs to be lucky for the next 15-20+ years (including siblings). It sucks for people who move to DC later or for whatever reason couldn't trek across town with a toddler. This would also help people stay at ESs that they like rather than lotterying every year for a chance at a better MS/HS feeder.

It's easy for people who live in-bounds for Deal and Wilson feeders to say this is the solution, but booting kids who currently expect to have feeder rights after lotterying in doesn't really seem fair. (And I say that as the parent of in-bound Janney kids.)

+1. We're in bounds too, but you can't just rip away their futures that they were given.

But you’re totally OK with 200+ kids being fed into Wells and Coolidge? Because it’ll be fine?

That large of a group of kids coming from high-performing ESes? Yes, it will be fine. That's a big enough group that it will change the schools.

But that won’t happen. It’ll be like Capitol Hill - elementary schools are fine, kids start peeling off in upper elementary/middle school, and then no one goes to (Eastern) high school. If you could actually force high SES parents to send their kids to a certain school in order to “flip” it, then that would have been done eons ago.

Also, I’m disturbed that the only way to “improve” a school is to send a bunch of white kids there.

When it comes to school performance SES more than anything dictates performance.

But otherwise in fact the way things are trending the only way to solve the overcrowding at Deal/Wilson is in fact to send a bunch of white kids elsewhere. If the school that is moved is Lafayette they will be going to schools that aren't much further away than the schools they are currently zoned for.

Yes, SES plays a role, but it’s not just SES. It’s whiteness, which is why integrated schools are so critical and why things like busing actually worked in reducing educational disparities (https://www.chalkbeat.org/2019/7/1/21121022/did-busing-for-school-desegregation-succeed-here-s-what-research-says).

White school districts receive more public funding than non-white districts (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/report-finds-23-billion-racial-funding-gap-for-schools/2019/02/25/d562b704-3915-11e9-a06c-3ec8ed509d15_story.html). Majority white schools see higher parent contributions to HSA/PTA funds that allow the schools to add resources. Schools with majority non-white student populations engage in more punitive discipline and are more heavily policed. And on and on.

This is not about innate student ability or teachability, which is why the school reform mentality (embodied by Rhee) is so destructive—it focuses on teaching and discipline, while completely ignoring the structural issues that systemically undermine schools with majority-minority student populations.

Shifting a large number of white students out of the Deal/Wilson pyramid and into another could actually have a meaningful, positive impact on outcomes for non-white students (without hurting the outcomes for white students—see first article).

thank you

[Anonymous]

But this is not a perfect world. People can move out of DCPS. People can apply for application school. People can lottery for charters. Waving your hands and saying “now you shall go to Wells/Coolidge and the schools will be integrated and all shall be good” is just a thing. You are ignoring the tons of commenters saying “nope, I won’t send my child to Coolidge.” (And you’re saying it to people who have options.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But this is not a perfect world. People can move out of DCPS. People can apply for application school. People can lottery for charters. Waving your hands and saying “now you shall go to Wells/Coolidge and the schools will be integrated and all shall be good” is just a thing. You are ignoring the tons of commenters saying “nope, I won’t send my child to Coolidge.” (And you’re saying it to people who have options.)

So you are saying your end goal is my kid period not the whole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But this is not a perfect world. People can move out of DCPS. People can apply for application school. People can lottery for charters. Waving your hands and saying “now you shall go to Wells/Coolidge and the schools will be integrated and all shall be good” is just a thing. You are ignoring the tons of commenters saying “nope, I won’t send my child to Coolidge.” (And you’re saying it to people who have options.)

This is true, of course; white people have been successfully resisting integration for decades! Which is why moving a big chunk of white kids all at once is important; you hope that with such a big group, even if you lose some families, a majority stick with the new path. If the worst happens, and the vast majority of white Lafayette families leave the system, then at least you reduce overcrowding at Deal and Wilson. I’m cautiously optimistic that the former would happen.

[Anonymous]

It's all sort of ironic and timely considering Lafayette's commitment and work internally to promote racial equity, cultural responsiveness, etc. The peace program that motivates people to move in the boundary, etc. etc.

Pure privilege at its worst behind a mask of progressiveness.

[Anonymous]

I agree with a PP that they need to end feeder rights as well as the discretion rule where you can stay at school after moving OOB. Deal is 26% OOB. That’s nearly 400 students that don’t live IB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's all sort of ironic and timely considering Lafayette's commitment and work internally to promote racial equity, cultural responsiveness, etc. The peace program that motivates people to move in the boundary, etc. etc.

Pure privilege at its worst behind a mask of progressiveness.

You just described the loudest group of complainers who are doing everything they can to prevent OOB kids from accessing Lafayette.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with a PP that they need to end feeder rights as well as the discretion rule where you can stay at school after moving OOB. Deal is 26% OOB. That’s nearly 400 students that don’t live IB.

Why do they "need" to do this? Why should these kids have any less right to go to Deal than the kids of those of us who live in the neighborhood?