Niche sports and rich-kid affirmative action: The Atlantic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another update. The Atlantic was duped.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/01/business/media/atlantic-ruth-shalit-barrett.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR10eqXDNu1q7qkrT6kBYIwS30629Sooh_gO_khMYjwGKfGG1P_CbUcCgWY&fbclid=IwAR0j_5njeZxliyGh3-bv-DQISs5BRwgHDJrAzKePpPWLFUbMI_EmhZZsWIc&fbclid=IwAR1ie0DbbmaJpOEdsVcU-bQDsGEW8AbMh4BSCuqBZ0IFK7HztGNW-oYsLPw

Hmm, one of the sources does not have a son, but the article was primarily about her daughters. The article also included some juicy quotes from the coaches. Are those true? Are there any problems with other sources? If the only issue is the existence of ason, the article is still pretty shocking and damning.

The apology from the magazine indicates more. They wouldn't be apologizing so significantly if the only concern was a fabricated son, allegedly just for identity protection. The NY article says they are continuing to investigate.

Reading between the lines, they have significant doubts about all of this.

I would treat most of the article as an exercise in fiction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another update. The Atlantic was duped.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/01/business/media/atlantic-ruth-shalit-barrett.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR10eqXDNu1q7qkrT6kBYIwS30629Sooh_gO_khMYjwGKfGG1P_CbUcCgWY&fbclid=IwAR0j_5njeZxliyGh3-bv-DQISs5BRwgHDJrAzKePpPWLFUbMI_EmhZZsWIc&fbclid=IwAR1ie0DbbmaJpOEdsVcU-bQDsGEW8AbMh4BSCuqBZ0IFK7HztGNW-oYsLPw

Hmm, one of the sources does not have a son, but the article was primarily about her daughters. The article also included some juicy quotes from the coaches. Are those true? Are there any problems with other sources? If the only issue is the existence of ason, the article is still pretty shocking and damning.

The apology from the magazine indicates more. They wouldn't be apologizing so significantly if the only concern was a fabricated son, allegedly just for identity protection. The NY article says they are continuing to investigate.

Reading between the lines, they have significant doubts about all of this.

I would treat most of the article as an exercise in fiction.

the reporter (a freelancer) was found to have committed huge acts of plagiarism and "making things up" when she was at the New Republic 20 years ago. the atlantic said they gave her a chance, but will never hire her again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s another story describing the phenomenon without the fabricating of The Atlantic article.

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2019/10/ivy-league-athletics-are-the-new-money-ball

This was a good article. Unfortunately because of problems with the Atlantic article, the whole issue of athletics as affirmative action for rich kids is going to get dismissed, but it's real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another update. The Atlantic was duped.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/01/business/media/atlantic-ruth-shalit-barrett.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR10eqXDNu1q7qkrT6kBYIwS30629Sooh_gO_khMYjwGKfGG1P_CbUcCgWY&fbclid=IwAR0j_5njeZxliyGh3-bv-DQISs5BRwgHDJrAzKePpPWLFUbMI_EmhZZsWIc&fbclid=IwAR1ie0DbbmaJpOEdsVcU-bQDsGEW8AbMh4BSCuqBZ0IFK7HztGNW-oYsLPw

Hmm, one of the sources does not have a son, but the article was primarily about her daughters. The article also included some juicy quotes from the coaches. Are those true? Are there any problems with other sources? If the only issue is the existence of ason, the article is still pretty shocking and damning.

The apology from the magazine indicates more. They wouldn't be apologizing so significantly if the only concern was a fabricated son, allegedly just for identity protection. The NY article says they are continuing to investigate.

Reading between the lines, they have significant doubts about all of this.

I would treat most of the article as an exercise in fiction.

the reporter (a freelancer) was found to have committed huge acts of plagiarism and "making things up" when she was at the New Republic 20 years ago. the atlantic said they gave her a chance, but will never hire her again.

I feel sorry for the Atlantic editor who gave her a chance. He was trying to give her a chance and look what she did.

I wonder if they will face legal action from the AmEx family. Some of that sounded entirely imaginary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apparently a little too wild to be real:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/30/atlantics-troubled-niche-sports-story/

Exactly the kind of thing that has led so many to distrust the media. Some things are just too good to check before publication if they take the right point of view on race or class issues.

[Anonymous]

She should have just written it as a spec script for Netflix. It was really well written but I guess better presented as “fiction”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently a little too wild to be real:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/30/atlantics-troubled-niche-sports-story/

Exactly the kind of thing that has led so many to distrust the media. Some things are just too good to check before publication if they take the right point of view on race or class issues.

Yes - we should all get our information from Q and Internet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another update. The Atlantic was duped.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/01/business/media/atlantic-ruth-shalit-barrett.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR10eqXDNu1q7qkrT6kBYIwS30629Sooh_gO_khMYjwGKfGG1P_CbUcCgWY&fbclid=IwAR0j_5njeZxliyGh3-bv-DQISs5BRwgHDJrAzKePpPWLFUbMI_EmhZZsWIc&fbclid=IwAR1ie0DbbmaJpOEdsVcU-bQDsGEW8AbMh4BSCuqBZ0IFK7HztGNW-oYsLPw

Hmm, one of the sources does not have a son, but the article was primarily about her daughters. The article also included some juicy quotes from the coaches. Are those true? Are there any problems with other sources? If the only issue is the existence of ason, the article is still pretty shocking and damning.

The apology from the magazine indicates more. They wouldn't be apologizing so significantly if the only concern was a fabricated son, allegedly just for identity protection. The NY article says they are continuing to investigate.

Reading between the lines, they have significant doubts about all of this.

I would treat most of the article as an exercise in fiction.

the reporter (a freelancer) was found to have committed huge acts of plagiarism and "making things up" when she was at the New Republic 20 years ago. the atlantic said they gave her a chance, but will never hire her again.[/quote

I almost find it kind of sad. She was (admirably) given a second chance and blew it again. What kind of psychological issue causes this kind of self-sabotage?

That said, if she weren't a white Ivy League chick, she probably wouldn't have been given the second chance. Not everyone does in our society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apparently a little too wild to be real:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/30/atlantics-troubled-niche-sports-story/

As the Washington Post article shows, it would have been trivially easy to fact check all of this. Instead they took a writer already accused of plagiarism and didn't check anything. Unbelievable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s another story describing the phenomenon without the fabricating of The Atlantic article.

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2019/10/ivy-league-athletics-are-the-new-money-ball

This was a good article. Unfortunately because of problems with the Atlantic article, the whole issue of athletics as affirmative action for rich kids is going to get dismissed, but it's real.

I would say legacy admits are a bigger problem.

At least the athletes have to be one of the best at something and worked hard for it. However, athletics does play a role in letting rich parents game the system.

https://slate.com/business/2019/09/harvard-admissions-affirmative-action-white-students-legacy-athletes-donors.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s another story describing the phenomenon without the fabricating of The Atlantic article.

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2019/10/ivy-league-athletics-are-the-new-money-ball

This was a good article. Unfortunately because of problems with the Atlantic article, the whole issue of athletics as affirmative action for rich kids is going to get dismissed, but it's real.

I would say legacy admits are a bigger problem.

At least the athletes have to be one of the best at something and worked hard for it. However, athletics does play a role in letting rich parents game the system.

https://slate.com/business/2019/09/harvard-admissions-affirmative-action-white-students-legacy-athletes-donors.html

Equating being a recruited football player at Brown with being the “best” at football is a real stretch

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently a little too wild to be real:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/30/atlantics-troubled-niche-sports-story/

Exactly the kind of thing that has led so many to distrust the media. Some things are just too good to check before publication if they take the right point of view on race or class issues.

Yes - we should all get our information from Q and Internet.

Wait, there are Q drops on college admission hooks? I missed those.