Why we need TJ ? Why not all high schools be equal

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Anonymous wrote:Why do we need MIT, Caltech, CMU ...? Their labs and professors should be available to all. Coincidently those schools have more Asians. It's time to "correct" that problem.

These are all private institutions.

They receive millions of taxpayer money and are subject to federal laws.

Or they could start with UVA, UCLA, UCB, all public schools. Open them to all and use a lottery to pick students.

+1. 3.8, 1350 SAT, you rank choice UVA, WM VT and lottery in. 1250, 3.5W for the next tier. Much more equitable.

PP. I was being sarcastic. Isn't SAT discriminative and not "equitable"?

Hey, sarcastic poster. Are you by any chance a former PTA president at an ES? Your constant sarcasm sounds very familiar.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm ok with TJ - I'm good with them switching to a lottery where people interested in STEM all have an equal opportunity to go. I would love it if they also created at least one other magnet schools for the arts.

They already have equal opportunity to go.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm ok with TJ - I'm good with them switching to a lottery where people interested in STEM all have an equal opportunity to go. I would love it if they also created at least one other magnet schools for the arts.

They already have equal opportunity to go.

lol exactly

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Anonymous wrote:Because it was intended to be a way to provide appropriate coursework and peer interaction in line with the state requirement for gifted education. Gifted education is not meant to serve all students, just like special education is not meant to serve all students. This doesn’t mean all schools shouldn’t have excellent lab and other opportunities. But it’s the answer to why TJ exists.

Please provide the proof for this assertion.

I believe you will find that Jefferson High was converted to TJHSST in the mid-1980s not to respond to any state mandate, but because (1) enrollment had dropped in part of the county at the time, leading the School Board to believe that one of Annandale, Jefferson, or Stuart HS should be closed or repurposed; and (2) the Board of Supervisors believed that a magnet high school with a STEM focus would be beneficial from a marketing perspective.

The needs of "gifted" students in FCPS were already being met at the time, as they could be met again without an exclusive (and exclusionary) magnet.

TJ is a Governor's School. This is from the VA DOE on the purpose of Governor's Schools:

Governor's Schools give gifted students academic and visual and performing arts opportunities beyond those normally available in the students' home schools. Students are able to focus on a specific area of intellectual or artistic strength and interest and to study in a way that best suits the gifted learner's needs.

The Virginia Governor's School Program has been designed to assist divisions as they meet the needs of a small population of students whose learning levels are remarkably different from their age-level peers. The foundation of the Virginia Governor's School Program centers on best practices in the field of gifted education and the presentation of advanced content to able learners.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it was intended to be a way to provide appropriate coursework and peer interaction in line with the state requirement for gifted education. Gifted education is not meant to serve all students, just like special education is not meant to serve all students. This doesn’t mean all schools shouldn’t have excellent lab and other opportunities. But it’s the answer to why TJ exists.

Please provide the proof for this assertion.

I believe you will find that Jefferson High was converted to TJHSST in the mid-1980s not to respond to any state mandate, but because (1) enrollment had dropped in part of the county at the time, leading the School Board to believe that one of Annandale, Jefferson, or Stuart HS should be closed or repurposed; and (2) the Board of Supervisors believed that a magnet high school with a STEM focus would be beneficial from a marketing perspective.

The needs of "gifted" students in FCPS were already being met at the time, as they could be met again without an exclusive (and exclusionary) magnet.

TJ is a Governor's School. This is from the VA DOE on the purpose of Governor's Schools:

Governor's Schools give gifted students academic and visual and performing arts opportunities beyond those normally available in the students' home schools. Students are able to focus on a specific area of intellectual or artistic strength and interest and to study in a way that best suits the gifted learner's needs.

The Virginia Governor's School Program has been designed to assist divisions as they meet the needs of a small population of students whose learning levels are remarkably different from their age-level peers. The foundation of the Virginia Governor's School Program centers on best practices in the field of gifted education and the presentation of advanced content to able learners.

if gifted is all that matters, give kids a WISC and use that to form a lottery pool. Right now gifted is equated with achievement in the application process, but if gifted is all that matters, just admit based on giftedness

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　why don’t school give all students an A for every class? Why dont all students pass state examination?

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Anonymous wrote:Well, one reason for all high schools not to be equal would be because the gifted would have to go to school with people like you, who write titles like yours:

"Why we need TJ ? Why not all high schools be equal"

Not fan of TJ merit lottery am I, but not fan am I of picking on of grammar, either.

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All students and parents are not equal. Some of them are real duffers and are not interested in education. Only a small number of gifted children are in the population and they require more advanced education. In their need for enrichment they are similar to SN students. They both are on opposite ends of the spectrum of academic needs. Yes, you can destroy TJ as soon as you defund all SN education.

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Anonymous wrote:in terms of research opportunities/labs/equipment ?

Why put all money in one basket and select who needs to be in that based on lottery ?

No one needs it. The question is how do you select from those who want it. Currently a test among other things. The proposal is for a lottery. Either way, many kids who want to go there won't get in and they will be just fine. Noone's life will be destroyed by not getting into TJ under either system. Honestly, folks, get a grip.

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Anonymous wrote:in terms of research opportunities/labs/equipment ?

Why put all money in one basket and select who needs to be in that based on lottery ?

No one needs it. The question is how do you select from those who want it. Currently a test among other things. The proposal is for a lottery. Either way, many kids who want to go there won't get in and they will be just fine. Noone's life will be destroyed by not getting into TJ under either system. Honestly, folks, get a grip.

Profoundly gifted (130+ IQ) children be benefit from learning in a classroom of peers by teachers who are specially trained and equipped to so.

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Meh - a private school will simply fill in the void and take over this role - watch.

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Anonymous wrote:in terms of research opportunities/labs/equipment ?

Why put all money in one basket and select who needs to be in that based on lottery ?

No one needs it. The question is how do you select from those who want it. Currently a test among other things. The proposal is for a lottery. Either way, many kids who want to go there won't get in and they will be just fine. Noone's life will be destroyed by not getting into TJ under either system. Honestly, folks, get a grip.

Profoundly gifted (130+ IQ) children be benefit from learning in a classroom of peers by teachers who are specially trained and equipped to so.

I hate that term. It sounds too much like profoundly ret*****. Besides, highly unlikely that there are more than a handful of profoundly gifted at TJ. More likely it is that they are the offspring of the profoundly tiger parent.

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Anonymous wrote:All students and parents are not equal. Some of them are real duffers and are not interested in education. Only a small number of gifted children are in the population and they require more advanced education. In their need for enrichment they are similar to SN students. They both are on opposite ends of the spectrum of academic needs. Yes, you can destroy TJ as soon as you defund all SN education.

Sorry but SN education is protected by law. Gifted education is not. Gov’t should provide vouchers to those who would qualify for said services and send them to area private schools that would provide TJ-like education. This is so solvable but people are so brainwashed into thinking that the government must do it when they can barely run schools as it is.

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Anonymous wrote:in terms of research opportunities/labs/equipment ?

Why put all money in one basket and select who needs to be in that based on lottery ?

No one needs it. The question is how do you select from those who want it. Currently a test among other things. The proposal is for a lottery. Either way, many kids who want to go there won't get in and they will be just fine. Noone's life will be destroyed by not getting into TJ under either system. Honestly, folks, get a grip.

Profoundly gifted (130+ IQ) children be benefit from learning in a classroom of peers by teachers who are specially trained and equipped to so.

I hate that term. It sounds too much like profoundly ret*****. Besides, highly unlikely that there are more than a handful of profoundly gifted at TJ. More likely it is that they are the offspring of the profoundly tiger parent.

There are 1000-2000 high school students with an IQ above 130 in fairfax county.

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Anonymous wrote:in terms of research opportunities/labs/equipment ?

Why put all money in one basket and select who needs to be in that based on lottery ?

No one needs it. The question is how do you select from those who want it. Currently a test among other things. The proposal is for a lottery. Either way, many kids who want to go there won't get in and they will be just fine. Noone's life will be destroyed by not getting into TJ under either system. Honestly, folks, get a grip.

Profoundly gifted (130+ IQ) children be benefit from learning in a classroom of peers by teachers who are specially trained and equipped to so.

I hate that term. It sounds too much like profoundly ret*****. Besides, highly unlikely that there are more than a handful of profoundly gifted at TJ. More likely it is that they are the offspring of the profoundly tiger parent.

There are 1000-2000 high school students with an IQ above 130 in fairfax county.

Why do I get the impression some creepy Indian guy is sitting at his house tracking this by both region and individual school pyramid. Shudder.