For people who say "school is not for childcare"...

[Anonymous]

You should not rely on school for childcare. If school is not available to watch your children, you should just seek childcare from the non-existent market for people who need childcare when school is not operating. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

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Anonymous wrote:I really hate how the phrase degrades the valuable work of childcare providers, who are nearly all women.

When teachers union leaders say this, it comes across as incredibly out of touch and degrading. I don't understand why they do not see how awful they sound when they talk like this.

Agree. That’s another reason it’s cringey

Except teachers themselves are predominantly women and childcare providers are not expected to write legal documents, take data, conduct assessments, prepare children for state tests, etc.
If childcare providers want to become teachers, they are certainly free to work through school to make that happen. I was a nanny and I got my transitional license, went to school at night, and worked my way through my certification. The two jobs are not the same, and one of them requires a master's degree, while the other does not require any educational qualifications. That's reality.

Gosh, you basically demonstrate the point about how out of touch and degrading people who use this phrase sound.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really hate how the phrase degrades the valuable work of childcare providers, who are nearly all women.

When teachers union leaders say this, it comes across as incredibly out of touch and degrading. I don't understand why they do not see how awful they sound when they talk like this.

Agree. That’s another reason it’s cringey

Except teachers themselves are predominantly women and childcare providers are not expected to write legal documents, take data, conduct assessments, prepare children for state tests, etc.
If childcare providers want to become teachers, they are certainly free to work through school to make that happen. I was a nanny and I got my transitional license, went to school at night, and worked my way through my certification. The two jobs are not the same, and one of them requires a master's degree, while the other does not require any educational qualifications. That's reality.

Just stop.

I know. Lol. The 2nd to last sentence tipped it over the edge...

Why, because you think it's unkind to point out that some jobs require qualifications and degrees while others do not? Because it's true, and it isn't an opinion. Just like you can become a restaurant worker, a factory worker, or a bus driver without a diploma but you can't become a doctor, a nurse, a lawyer, an accountant, or many many other professions. If daycare providers decide they want the high salaries and prestige of teachers (sarcasm) then they should become teachers. The primary function of daycare is childcare, the primary function of school is education. That is the difference. It's not like daycare workers are primarily women and teachers are primarily men.
Lots of people who want to cry that school closures are a feminist crisis while conveniently ignoring the people who actually run our schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really hate how the phrase degrades the valuable work of childcare providers, who are nearly all women.

When teachers union leaders say this, it comes across as incredibly out of touch and degrading. I don't understand why they do not see how awful they sound when they talk like this.

Agree. That’s another reason it’s cringey

Except teachers themselves are predominantly women and childcare providers are not expected to write legal documents, take data, conduct assessments, prepare children for state tests, etc.
If childcare providers want to become teachers, they are certainly free to work through school to make that happen. I was a nanny and I got my transitional license, went to school at night, and worked my way through my certification. The two jobs are not the same, and one of them requires a master's degree, while the other does not require any educational qualifications. That's reality.

Just stop.

I know. Lol. The 2nd to last sentence tipped it over the edge...

Why, because you think it's unkind to point out that some jobs require qualifications and degrees while others do not? Because it's true, and it isn't an opinion. Just like you can become a restaurant worker, a factory worker, or a bus driver without a diploma but you can't become a doctor, a nurse, a lawyer, an accountant, or many many other professions. If daycare providers decide they want the high salaries and prestige of teachers (sarcasm) then they should become teachers. The primary function of daycare is childcare, the primary function of school is education. That is the difference. It's not like daycare workers are primarily women and teachers are primarily men.
Lots of people who want to cry that school closures are a feminist crisis while conveniently ignoring the people who actually run our schools.

You keep demonstrating the point by being insulting and degrading. You should really think about how you come across.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What SHOULD life look like?

One parent in every family SAH?
Employ full time childcare as standby, even when the kids are out of the house for 6+ hours?

This saying drives me NUTS so I'm trying to understand it more.
Thanks

Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:I really hate how the phrase degrades the valuable work of childcare providers, who are nearly all women.

When teachers union leaders say this, it comes across as incredibly out of touch and degrading. I don't understand why they do not see how awful they sound when they talk like this.

Agree. That’s another reason it’s cringey

Except teachers themselves are predominantly women and childcare providers are not expected to write legal documents, take data, conduct assessments, prepare children for state tests, etc.
If childcare providers want to become teachers, they are certainly free to work through school to make that happen. I was a nanny and I got my transitional license, went to school at night, and worked my way through my certification. The two jobs are not the same, and one of them requires a master's degree, while the other does not require any educational qualifications. That's reality.

Just stop.

I know. Lol. The 2nd to last sentence tipped it over the edge...

Why, because you think it's unkind to point out that some jobs require qualifications and degrees while others do not? Because it's true, and it isn't an opinion. Just like you can become a restaurant worker, a factory worker, or a bus driver without a diploma but you can't become a doctor, a nurse, a lawyer, an accountant, or many many other professions. If daycare providers decide they want the high salaries and prestige of teachers (sarcasm) then they should become teachers. The primary function of daycare is childcare, the primary function of school is education. That is the difference. It's not like daycare workers are primarily women and teachers are primarily men.
Lots of people who want to cry that school closures are a feminist crisis while conveniently ignoring the people who actually run our schools.

You keep demonstrating the point by being insulting and degrading. You should really think about how you come across.

There was no point to demonstrate. "Just stop" is not an argument and has no basis in fact. That's your opinion. I did not say anything insulting or degrading. I did not use pejoratives or name call anyone (unlike the people on here constantly bashing teachers for being "lazy" and "whiners"). It is fundamentally true that daycare is childcare and school is for educational purposes. If you find it upsetting to acknowledge that different jobs require different qualifications and serve different functions, then we won't get anywhere. Do you also pretend that you "don't see color"?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really hate how the phrase degrades the valuable work of childcare providers, who are nearly all women.

When teachers union leaders say this, it comes across as incredibly out of touch and degrading. I don't understand why they do not see how awful they sound when they talk like this.

Agree. That’s another reason it’s cringey

Except teachers themselves are predominantly women and childcare providers are not expected to write legal documents, take data, conduct assessments, prepare children for state tests, etc.
If childcare providers want to become teachers, they are certainly free to work through school to make that happen. I was a nanny and I got my transitional license, went to school at night, and worked my way through my certification. The two jobs are not the same, and one of them requires a master's degree, while the other does not require any educational qualifications. That's reality.

Just stop.

I know. Lol. The 2nd to last sentence tipped it over the edge...

Why, because you think it's unkind to point out that some jobs require qualifications and degrees while others do not? Because it's true, and it isn't an opinion. Just like you can become a restaurant worker, a factory worker, or a bus driver without a diploma but you can't become a doctor, a nurse, a lawyer, an accountant, or many many other professions. If daycare providers decide they want the high salaries and prestige of teachers (sarcasm) then they should become teachers. The primary function of daycare is childcare, the primary function of school is education. That is the difference. It's not like daycare workers are primarily women and teachers are primarily men.
Lots of people who want to cry that school closures are a feminist crisis while conveniently ignoring the people who actually run our schools.

You keep demonstrating the point by being insulting and degrading. You should really think about how you come across.

There was no point to demonstrate. "Just stop" is not an argument and has no basis in fact. That's your opinion. I did not say anything insulting or degrading. I did not use pejoratives or name call anyone (unlike the people on here constantly bashing teachers for being "lazy" and "whiners"). It is fundamentally true that daycare is childcare and school is for educational purposes. If you find it upsetting to acknowledge that different jobs require different qualifications and serve different functions, then we won't get anywhere. Do you also pretend that you "don't see color"?

I didn't say "just stop." And as for you, after that utterly out of touch and unaware ramble, you segue into an outright insult (your last sentence), so I think you've neatly made the point that people who say "school isn't childcare" come across as entitled and pejorative for me, thanks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the point is that childcare is not the primary purpose of school, if it were it would be open year round like daycare.

Yes, but it is A purpose of school. To say it's not puts an unfair amount of burden on working parents.

No, it’s not a purpose. It happens to serve as childcare while fulfilling its purpose of educating. Big difference. The point that people are trying to make when they say this is that childcare is not a purpose of schools so complaining to schools about lack of childcare due to their closing/opening decisions is nonsensical because it’s not their duty to provide childcare. Their duty is to educate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the point is that childcare is not the primary purpose of school, if it were it would be open year round like daycare.

Yes, but it is A purpose of school. To say it's not puts an unfair amount of burden on working parents.

No, it’s not a purpose. It happens to serve as childcare while fulfilling its purpose of educating. Big difference. The point that people are trying to make when they say this is that childcare is not a purpose of schools so complaining to schools about lack of childcare due to their closing/opening decisions is nonsensical because it’s not their duty to provide childcare. Their duty is to educate.

Okay, but here's the catch-22... if the purpose is to educate - that purpose was NOT met in the spring through DL. And many of us are doubtful that even if much more effort is put into DL in the fall, it will be successful for young children. So, yes, if the purpose is to educate, schools need to educate. And for young children, that means being in school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a single mom.
School is not child care.
I don’t have the answers. But school is not child care.

It's not pejorative, it's factual. They're taking care of children who are not old enough to take care of themselves. It's the definition of childcare.

NP. If a kid is admitted to a hospital for something, if a kid is at someone else’s house for a play date, if a kid is at karate class, all of those things provide oversight of your child for specified purposes but are not childcare. It’s the same concept with schools. They are not your employees. They are not there to watch your kids. They are there to educate your children. Your childcare problems are none of their concern.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the point is that childcare is not the primary purpose of school, if it were it would be open year round like daycare.

Yes, but it is A purpose of school. To say it's not puts an unfair amount of burden on working parents.

No, it’s not a purpose. It happens to serve as childcare while fulfilling its purpose of educating. Big difference. The point that people are trying to make when they say this is that childcare is not a purpose of schools so complaining to schools about lack of childcare due to their closing/opening decisions is nonsensical because it’s not their duty to provide childcare. Their duty is to educate.

Okay, but here's the catch-22... if the purpose is to educate - that purpose was NOT met in the spring through DL. And many of us are doubtful that even if much more effort is put into DL in the fall, it will be successful for young children. So, yes, if the purpose is to educate, schools need to educate. And for young children, that means being in school.

See, i totally agree with you. But that has nothing to do with the childcare argument.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the point is that childcare is not the primary purpose of school, if it were it would be open year round like daycare.

Yes, but it is A purpose of school. To say it's not puts an unfair amount of burden on working parents.

No, it’s not a purpose. It happens to serve as childcare while fulfilling its purpose of educating. Big difference. The point that people are trying to make when they say this is that childcare is not a purpose of schools so complaining to schools about lack of childcare due to their closing/opening decisions is nonsensical because it’s not their duty to provide childcare. Their duty is to educate.

Okay, but here's the catch-22... if the purpose is to educate - that purpose was NOT met in the spring through DL. And many of us are doubtful that even if much more effort is put into DL in the fall, it will be successful for young children. So, yes, if the purpose is to educate, schools need to educate. And for young children, that means being in school.

I posted above, but it is inescapable that the education provided through distance learning places a burden on parents that is not present when the education is provided at an an actual school. School is not childcare, but distance learning is not providing the same educational experience that in person learning was. Why can't educators acknowledge that? They are giving families less, forcing families to adhere to a schedule they didn't choose, and then rolling their eyes when any parents complain. Teachers are safe, protected, and caring for their own kids, but parents are unreasonably entitled when they get overwhelmed by these new and unexpected responsibilities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the point is that childcare is not the primary purpose of school, if it were it would be open year round like daycare.

Yes, but it is A purpose of school. To say it's not puts an unfair amount of burden on working parents.

No, it’s not a purpose. It happens to serve as childcare while fulfilling its purpose of educating. Big difference. The point that people are trying to make when they say this is that childcare is not a purpose of schools so complaining to schools about lack of childcare due to their closing/opening decisions is nonsensical because it’s not their duty to provide childcare. Their duty is to educate.

Okay, but here's the catch-22... if the purpose is to educate - that purpose was NOT met in the spring through DL. And many of us are doubtful that even if much more effort is put into DL in the fall, it will be successful for young children. So, yes, if the purpose is to educate, schools need to educate. And for young children, that means being in school.

I posted above, but it is inescapable that the education provided through distance learning places a burden on parents that is not present when the education is provided at an an actual school. School is not childcare, but distance learning is not providing the same educational experience that in person learning was. Why can't educators acknowledge that? They are giving families less, forcing families to adhere to a schedule they didn't choose, and then rolling their eyes when any parents complain. Teachers are safe, protected, and caring for their own kids, but parents are unreasonably entitled when they get overwhelmed by these new and unexpected responsibilities.

Teachers are not entitled because they are working from home (like much of America) during a pandemic. Blue collar workers are largely unable to work from home because their jobs require manual labor and other functions that must physically be carried out in a specific area. White collar workers are working from home in record numbers, because many jobs primarily exist on the computer anyway. That's just a fact. It isn't "fair". Pushing millions of kids and educators back into buildings is not going to help control the spread of the virus and unnecessarily puts our communities at risk. You are going to have to accept that during a crisis you and your family are solely responsible for your children. That's not going to change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the point is that childcare is not the primary purpose of school, if it were it would be open year round like daycare.

Yes, but it is A purpose of school. To say it's not puts an unfair amount of burden on working parents.

No, it’s not a purpose. It happens to serve as childcare while fulfilling its purpose of educating. Big difference. The point that people are trying to make when they say this is that childcare is not a purpose of schools so complaining to schools about lack of childcare due to their closing/opening decisions is nonsensical because it’s not their duty to provide childcare. Their duty is to educate.

Okay, but here's the catch-22... if the purpose is to educate - that purpose was NOT met in the spring through DL. And many of us are doubtful that even if much more effort is put into DL in the fall, it will be successful for young children. So, yes, if the purpose is to educate, schools need to educate. And for young children, that means being in school.

I posted above, but it is inescapable that the education provided through distance learning places a burden on parents that is not present when the education is provided at an an actual school. School is not childcare, but distance learning is not providing the same educational experience that in person learning was. Why can't educators acknowledge that? They are giving families less, forcing families to adhere to a schedule they didn't choose, and then rolling their eyes when any parents complain. Teachers are safe, protected, and caring for their own kids, but parents are unreasonably entitled when they get overwhelmed by these new and unexpected responsibilities.

Teachers are not entitled because they are working from home (like much of America) during a pandemic. Blue collar workers are largely unable to work from home because their jobs require manual labor and other functions that must physically be carried out in a specific area. White collar workers are working from home in record numbers, because many jobs primarily exist on the computer anyway. That's just a fact. It isn't "fair". Pushing millions of kids and educators back into buildings is not going to help control the spread of the virus and unnecessarily puts our communities at risk. You are going to have to accept that during a crisis you and your family are solely responsible for your children. That's not going to change.

Yep. Another response that misses the point. That teachers are entitled? I said that teachers are calling parents entitled, and your uncaring and willfully blind post proves it. So thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the point is that childcare is not the primary purpose of school, if it were it would be open year round like daycare.

Yes, but it is A purpose of school. To say it's not puts an unfair amount of burden on working parents.

No, it’s not a purpose. It happens to serve as childcare while fulfilling its purpose of educating. Big difference. The point that people are trying to make when they say this is that childcare is not a purpose of schools so complaining to schools about lack of childcare due to their closing/opening decisions is nonsensical because it’s not their duty to provide childcare. Their duty is to educate.

Okay, but here's the catch-22... if the purpose is to educate - that purpose was NOT met in the spring through DL. And many of us are doubtful that even if much more effort is put into DL in the fall, it will be successful for young children. So, yes, if the purpose is to educate, schools need to educate. And for young children, that means being in school.

I posted above, but it is inescapable that the education provided through distance learning places a burden on parents that is not present when the education is provided at an an actual school. School is not childcare, but distance learning is not providing the same educational experience that in person learning was. Why can't educators acknowledge that? They are giving families less, forcing families to adhere to a schedule they didn't choose, and then rolling their eyes when any parents complain. Teachers are safe, protected, and caring for their own kids, but parents are unreasonably entitled when they get overwhelmed by these new and unexpected responsibilities.

Teachers are not entitled because they are working from home (like much of America) during a pandemic. Blue collar workers are largely unable to work from home because their jobs require manual labor and other functions that must physically be carried out in a specific area. White collar workers are working from home in record numbers, because many jobs primarily exist on the computer anyway. That's just a fact. It isn't "fair". Pushing millions of kids and educators back into buildings is not going to help control the spread of the virus and unnecessarily puts our communities at risk. You are going to have to accept that during a crisis you and your family are solely responsible for your children. That's not going to change.

Yep. Another response that misses the point. That teachers are entitled? I said that teachers are calling parents entitled, and your uncaring and willfully blind post proves it. So thanks.

It was supposed to say "who said that teachers are entitled?"