Brown University drastically reduces number of varsity sports

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lol equestrian at Brown is just another sleazy backdoor for really rich girls to get in.

Nope. They did not have a problem with that.
Did you want to go there 30 years ago and still feel better that they didn't want you?

Ummm yes all these fancy sports do. To be good at sports like squash and crew, most students attend expensive prep schools and then do camps they are also extremely expensive. If you aren’t UMC you aren’t getting groomed for these sports.

I think you're actually the cliche. Someone who read "The Preppy Handbook" in 1983 and nothing since.

Look at their high schools. It’s 100 percent prep schools or rich public schools like shaker heights high, mainline philly, wellesley mass etc.
Squash:
https://brownbears.com/sports/womens-squash/roster
https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-squash/roster

Fencing:
https://brownbears.com/sports/fencing/roster

Crew

https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-crew/roster
https://brownbears.com/sports/womens-crew/roster

Equestrian:
https://brownbears.com/sports/equestrian/roster

I wonder if Clare's mom posts on here - hi Mrs. Hodges!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol equestrian at Brown is just another sleazy backdoor for really rich girls to get in.

Nope. They did not have a problem with that.
Did you want to go there 30 years ago and still feel better that they didn't want you?

Ummm yes all these fancy sports do. To be good at sports like squash and crew, most students attend expensive prep schools and then do camps they are also extremely expensive. If you aren’t UMC you aren’t getting groomed for these sports.

I think you're actually the cliche. Someone who read "The Preppy Handbook" in 1983 and nothing since.

Look at their high schools. It’s 100 percent prep schools or rich public schools like shaker heights high, mainline philly, wellesley mass etc.
Squash:
https://brownbears.com/sports/womens-squash/roster
https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-squash/roster

Fencing:
https://brownbears.com/sports/fencing/roster

Crew

https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-crew/roster
https://brownbears.com/sports/womens-crew/roster

Equestrian:
https://brownbears.com/sports/equestrian/roster

Um... comparing Shaker to rich private schools that groom kids for equestrian competition is not quite right. Shaker Heights is an inner ring Cleveland suburb, and Cleveland's inner ring suburbs have some of the lowest per capita usage of public schools of anywhere in the country. There are a ton of UMC and some rich people there, but they don't use the public schools. Shaker is about like Wilson HS in DC, except that the percentage of low income students is slightly higher at Shaker.

Shaker is an exception to this because it has remained both diverse and high performing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol equestrian at Brown is just another sleazy backdoor for really rich girls to get in.

Nope. They did not have a problem with that.
Did you want to go there 30 years ago and still feel better that they didn't want you?

Ummm yes all these fancy sports do. To be good at sports like squash and crew, most students attend expensive prep schools and then do camps they are also extremely expensive. If you aren’t UMC you aren’t getting groomed for these sports.

I think you're actually the cliche. Someone who read "The Preppy Handbook" in 1983 and nothing since.

Look at their high schools. It’s 100 percent prep schools or rich public schools like shaker heights high, mainline philly, wellesley mass etc.
Squash:
https://brownbears.com/sports/womens-squash/roster
https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-squash/roster

Fencing:
https://brownbears.com/sports/fencing/roster

Crew

https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-crew/roster
https://brownbears.com/sports/womens-crew/roster

Equestrian:
https://brownbears.com/sports/equestrian/roster

Um... comparing Shaker to rich private schools that groom kids for equestrian competition is not quite right. Shaker Heights is an inner ring Cleveland suburb, and Cleveland's inner ring suburbs have some of the lowest per capita usage of public schools of anywhere in the country. There are a ton of UMC and some rich people there, but they don't use the public schools. Shaker is about like Wilson HS in DC, except that the percentage of low income students is slightly higher at Shaker.

Shaker is an exception to this because it has remained both diverse and high performing.

What private day school has equestrian?? It’s not the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol equestrian at Brown is just another sleazy backdoor for really rich girls to get in.

Nope. They did not have a problem with that.
Did you want to go there 30 years ago and still feel better that they didn't want you?

Ummm yes all these fancy sports do. To be good at sports like squash and crew, most students attend expensive prep schools and then do camps they are also extremely expensive. If you aren’t UMC you aren’t getting groomed for these sports.

I think you're actually the cliche. Someone who read "The Preppy Handbook" in 1983 and nothing since.

Look at their high schools. It’s 100 percent prep schools or rich public schools like shaker heights high, mainline philly, wellesley mass etc.
Squash:
https://brownbears.com/sports/womens-squash/roster
https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-squash/roster

Fencing:
https://brownbears.com/sports/fencing/roster

Crew

https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-crew/roster
https://brownbears.com/sports/womens-crew/roster

Equestrian:
https://brownbears.com/sports/equestrian/roster

I wonder if Clare's mom posts on here - hi Mrs. Hodges!

There is a former Holton/Princeton rowing mom who posts on here who has made herself pretty identifiable. And the Tj/Oberlin band mom. And the Chappaqua/Andover/I met Bill Clinton lady. I could go on...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol equestrian at Brown is just another sleazy backdoor for really rich girls to get in.

Nope. They did not have a problem with that.
Did you want to go there 30 years ago and still feel better that they didn't want you?

Nah, I went to Harvard.

Ha ha ha! We had a saying in my working-class neighborhood: “Your ass is on fire!”

Another well a established fact learned in this forum: Harvard people don’t need to brag about it.

Yeah, no one believes it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol equestrian at Brown is just another sleazy backdoor for really rich girls to get in.

Nope. They did not have a problem with that.
Did you want to go there 30 years ago and still feel better that they didn't want you?

Ummm yes all these fancy sports do. To be good at sports like squash and crew, most students attend expensive prep schools and then do camps they are also extremely expensive. If you aren’t UMC you aren’t getting groomed for these sports.

I think you're actually the cliche. Someone who read "The Preppy Handbook" in 1983 and nothing since.

Look at their high schools. It’s 100 percent prep schools or rich public schools like shaker heights high, mainline philly, wellesley mass etc.
Squash:
https://brownbears.com/sports/womens-squash/roster
https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-squash/roster

Fencing:
https://brownbears.com/sports/fencing/roster

Crew

https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-crew/roster
https://brownbears.com/sports/womens-crew/roster

Equestrian:
https://brownbears.com/sports/equestrian/roster

I wonder if Clare's mom posts on here - hi Mrs. Hodges!

There is a former Holton/Princeton rowing mom who posts on here who has made herself pretty identifiable. And the Tj/Oberlin band mom. And the Chappaqua/Andover/I met Bill Clinton lady. I could go on...

Do you know how unhinged you sound? How unbalanced? Read a newspaper, get a hobby, something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol equestrian at Brown is just another sleazy backdoor for really rich girls to get in.

Nope. They did not have a problem with that.
Did you want to go there 30 years ago and still feel better that they didn't want you?

Ummm yes all these fancy sports do. To be good at sports like squash and crew, most students attend expensive prep schools and then do camps they are also extremely expensive. If you aren’t UMC you aren’t getting groomed for these sports.

I think you're actually the cliche. Someone who read "The Preppy Handbook" in 1983 and nothing since.

Look at their high schools. It’s 100 percent prep schools or rich public schools like shaker heights high, mainline philly, wellesley mass etc.
Squash:
https://brownbears.com/sports/womens-squash/roster
https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-squash/roster

Fencing:
https://brownbears.com/sports/fencing/roster

Crew

https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-crew/roster
https://brownbears.com/sports/womens-crew/roster

Equestrian:
https://brownbears.com/sports/equestrian/roster

Um... comparing Shaker to rich private schools that groom kids for equestrian competition is not quite right. Shaker Heights is an inner ring Cleveland suburb, and Cleveland's inner ring suburbs have some of the lowest per capita usage of public schools of anywhere in the country. There are a ton of UMC and some rich people there, but they don't use the public schools. Shaker is about like Wilson HS in DC, except that the percentage of low income students is slightly higher at Shaker.

Shaker is an exception to this because it has remained both diverse and high performing.

Shaker is a somewhat controversial example of a diverse high school to use. It's located in a suburb that has both affluent parts and more middle class parts. It has plenty of white students while being a diverse school. But the honors track programs are far less diverse than the general student body and that periodically causes controversy as people accuse it of being a school within a school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol equestrian at Brown is just another sleazy backdoor for really rich girls to get in.

Nope. They did not have a problem with that.
Did you want to go there 30 years ago and still feel better that they didn't want you?

Ummm yes all these fancy sports do. To be good at sports like squash and crew, most students attend expensive prep schools and then do camps they are also extremely expensive. If you aren’t UMC you aren’t getting groomed for these sports.

I think you're actually the cliche. Someone who read "The Preppy Handbook" in 1983 and nothing since.

Look at their high schools. It’s 100 percent prep schools or rich public schools like shaker heights high, mainline philly, wellesley mass etc.
Squash:
https://brownbears.com/sports/womens-squash/roster
https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-squash/roster

Fencing:
https://brownbears.com/sports/fencing/roster

Crew

https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-crew/roster
https://brownbears.com/sports/womens-crew/roster

Equestrian:
https://brownbears.com/sports/equestrian/roster

Um... comparing Shaker to rich private schools that groom kids for equestrian competition is not quite right. Shaker Heights is an inner ring Cleveland suburb, and Cleveland's inner ring suburbs have some of the lowest per capita usage of public schools of anywhere in the country. There are a ton of UMC and some rich people there, but they don't use the public schools. Shaker is about like Wilson HS in DC, except that the percentage of low income students is slightly higher at Shaker.

Shaker is an exception to this because it has remained both diverse and high performing.

What private day school has equestrian?? It’s not the school.

https://www.gfs.org/athletics/riding

[Anonymous]

As a Brown alum I'm not opposed to these changes.

The club sports can still be very high performing and in a way encapsulates the model of the scholar-athlete best. It also makes it easier for students to walk onto the teams on the club level without previous exposure to the sport or activity, which isn't the case for the varsity sports.

The only surprising demotion is men's cross-country and only because I would have thought it a sport that allows recruitment across a more diverse pool of students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol equestrian at Brown is just another sleazy backdoor for really rich girls to get in.

Nope. They did not have a problem with that.
Did you want to go there 30 years ago and still feel better that they didn't want you?

Nah, I went to Harvard.

Ha ha ha! We had a saying in my working-class neighborhood: “Your ass is on fire!”

Another well a established fact learned in this forum: Harvard people don’t need to brag about it.

Well not all alumni are successful. The less successful the more need to brag about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol equestrian at Brown is just another sleazy backdoor for really rich girls to get in.

Nope. They did not have a problem with that.
Did you want to go there 30 years ago and still feel better that they didn't want you?

Ummm yes all these fancy sports do. To be good at sports like squash and crew, most students attend expensive prep schools and then do camps they are also extremely expensive. If you aren’t UMC you aren’t getting groomed for these sports.

I think you're actually the cliche. Someone who read "The Preppy Handbook" in 1983 and nothing since.

Look at their high schools. It’s 100 percent prep schools or rich public schools like shaker heights high, mainline philly, wellesley mass etc.
Squash:
https://brownbears.com/sports/womens-squash/roster
https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-squash/roster

Fencing:
https://brownbears.com/sports/fencing/roster

Crew

https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-crew/roster
https://brownbears.com/sports/womens-crew/roster

Equestrian:
https://brownbears.com/sports/equestrian/roster

I wonder if Clare's mom posts on here - hi Mrs. Hodges!

There is a former Holton/Princeton rowing mom who posts on here who has made herself pretty identifiable. And the Tj/Oberlin band mom. And the Chappaqua/Andover/I met Bill Clinton lady. I could go on...

Do you know how unhinged you sound? How unbalanced? Read a newspaper, get a hobby, something.

Hmm! I thought PP sounded both hinged and funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol equestrian at Brown is just another sleazy backdoor for really rich girls to get in.

Nope. They did not have a problem with that.
Did you want to go there 30 years ago and still feel better that they didn't want you?

Ummm yes all these fancy sports do. To be good at sports like squash and crew, most students attend expensive prep schools and then do camps they are also extremely expensive. If you aren’t UMC you aren’t getting groomed for these sports.

I think you're actually the cliche. Someone who read "The Preppy Handbook" in 1983 and nothing since.

Look at their high schools. It’s 100 percent prep schools or rich public schools like shaker heights high, mainline philly, wellesley mass etc.
Squash:
https://brownbears.com/sports/womens-squash/roster
https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-squash/roster

Fencing:
https://brownbears.com/sports/fencing/roster

Crew

https://brownbears.com/sports/mens-crew/roster
https://brownbears.com/sports/womens-crew/roster

Equestrian:
https://brownbears.com/sports/equestrian/roster

Um... comparing Shaker to rich private schools that groom kids for equestrian competition is not quite right. Shaker Heights is an inner ring Cleveland suburb, and Cleveland's inner ring suburbs have some of the lowest per capita usage of public schools of anywhere in the country. There are a ton of UMC and some rich people there, but they don't use the public schools. Shaker is about like Wilson HS in DC, except that the percentage of low income students is slightly higher at Shaker.

Shaker is an exception to this because it has remained both diverse and high performing.

Shaker is a somewhat controversial example of a diverse high school to use. It's located in a suburb that has both affluent parts and more middle class parts. It has plenty of white students while being a diverse school. But the honors track programs are far less diverse than the general student body and that periodically causes controversy as people accuse it of being a school within a school.

Honors track is not diverse and a school within a school...so isn't that every large public school, basically?

[Anonymous]

Brown had 38 varsity sports and was terrible in most of them. They had fewer Ivy League titles in all sports than all their peers. Yes, they care about that. So they are basically going to allocate the same amount of $$ to 29 varsity sports (still a lot) instead of 38. They will rely on student fees and fat-cat alum donors to help bankroll the others turning to club status.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brown had 38 varsity sports and was terrible in most of them. They had fewer Ivy League titles in all sports than all their peers. Yes, they care about that. So they are basically going to allocate the same amount of $$ to 29 varsity sports (still a lot) instead of 38. They will rely on student fees and fat-cat alum donors to help bankroll the others turning to club status.

Only over the past decade. Over the history of the Ivy League they have more titles than Columbia. But Columbia has been on the upswing, while Brown has become an oversized SLAC that is living beyond its means.

It should just leave the Ivy League and let another school like Wash U or Vanderbilt take its place.

[Anonymous]

Good. I hope more will follow suit.