Pelosi unveiling House plan @ 2pm, posts some details

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Anonymous wrote:Idiot Democrats.

They're proposing that all Americans recieve their full regular paycheck saries from the govt until this is over. Utterly insane. Dems want it so that no American has to sacrifice anything during a hardship. The Greatest Generation is rolling in their graves at the Dem proposal. People had to suffer through the Great Depression for Christ's sake, yet Democrats don't want people to have to endure any difficulties. Too bad. We all have to sacrifice. The Democrats' proposal will blow up the budget for years with mind warping amounts of debt. If you think this is bad, wait until the piper has to get paid for the Democrats' proposals and severe austerity measures are needed. Yes, we need an emergency spending bill, but it isn't carte blanche to spend unlimited amounts of money so that no one has to feel pain. We cannot allow the entire solvency of the country and financial health of the US to be as risk for generations upon generations of future Americans to be jeopardized because we are all too much of a wuss to endure any pain. Wait until the world drops the dollar as the preferred currency because we are too indebted. Now THAT would be real pain. Absolutely no one should be guaranteed their full salary in Uncle Sam's tab. Phase in spending and add more if needed until it is over. Demanding unlimited money is idiotic.

Oh STFU! You are exactly why we are in this sh!t right now. Shut.it.up! No one wants to hear it.

Blow me...

You moronic democrats are extremely selfish and give ZERO Fs about the financial health of the country for our children. Spend unlimited amounts of money now so everyone feels comfy. Ruin the country for our kids for generations. Moron.

So you are all for letting Mnuchin hand out $500 billion secretly to companies, but not helping the average wage earner?

You dimocrats fail to understand that it is part of a multipronged approach. You're absolutely damn right business needs to be bailed out. If we do nothing there will be NO JOBS for people to go back to once this is over. Stimulus money will also be given to individuals, but that doesn't mean unlimited amounts of spending should happen. People will have to sacrifice. We cannot let the country become insolvent because no one wanted to give up their cushy lifestyles temporarily. Have you seen how bad Greece got? That's the path we are headed on. Stop trying to attach economic relief to insane AOC Green New Deal initiatives and diversities of corporate board, which have nothing to do with fighting a pandemic. Democrats are going to absolutely pounded at the polls once the public learns they're suffering more than they need to because Democrats are trying to jam through insane Social Justice initiatives attached to the bill. The voters will take it out on Democrats for starting The Great Depression 2.

Putting cash in consumers hands helps keep the businesses running.

[Anonymous]

Housing and consumer finance:

-All monetary contributions by renters in "assisted" or "public" housing are suspended
-Nationwide moratorium on evictions under 30 days after emergency declaration is revoked
-Suspension of consumer debt payments - no capitalizing interest, adding fees, send to collections, negative credit reports until 120 days after end of crisis
-Nationwide ban on cutting off utilities for nonpayment (includes telecom and broadband) until 120 days after end of crisis
-Creditors will be reimbursed by the Fed for any losses related to nonpayment during crisis
-$100B for rental assistance in the form of grants (note - for reference US annual rental income totals around $500B)
-$15.5B for emergency homeless assistance grants
-$35B in mortgage assistance grants to be administered by the states
-Mortgage forbearance: foreclosures are prohibited until 180 days after end of emergency; mortgage backed securities holders will not get paid and should expect to not receive funds; owner requesting forbearance shall not receiving rents from tenants during the forbearance; total length of forbearance no less than 180 days and renewable for another 180 days; 60 days of nonpayment will go into automatic forbearance without request by borrower

[Anonymous]

Wonder if $10k in student loan forgiveness ($500 billion cost) can be considered Coronavirus related? It's in Nancy's bill

[Anonymous]

Edit - in bold

Anonymous wrote:Housing and consumer finance:

-All monetary contributions by renters in "assisted" or "public" housing are suspended
-Nationwide moratorium on evictions until 30 days after emergency declaration is revoked
-Suspension of consumer debt payments - no capitalizing interest, adding fees, send to collections, negative credit reports until 120 days after end of crisis
-Nationwide ban on cutting off utilities for nonpayment (includes telecom and broadband) until 120 days after end of crisis
-Creditors will be reimbursed by the Fed for any losses related to nonpayment during crisis
-$100B for rental assistance in the form of grants (note - for reference US annual rental income totals around $500B)
-$15.5B for emergency homeless assistance grants
-$35B in mortgage assistance grants to be administered by the states
-Mortgage forbearance: foreclosures are prohibited until 180 days after end of emergency; mortgage backed securities holders will not get paid and should expect to not receive funds; owner requesting forbearance shall not receiving rents from tenants during the forbearance; total length of forbearance no less than 180 days and renewable for another 180 days; 60 days of nonpayment will go into automatic forbearance without request by borrower

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

MikeL wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Idiot Democrats.

They're proposing that all Americans recieve their full regular paycheck saries from the govt until this is over. Utterly insane. Dems want it so that no American has to sacrifice anything during a hardship. The Greatest Generation is rolling in their graves at the Dem proposal. People had to suffer through the Great Depression for Christ's sake, yet Democrats don't want people to have to endure any difficulties. Too bad. We all have to sacrifice. The Democrats' proposal will blow up the budget for years with mind warping amounts of debt. If you think this is bad, wait until the piper has to get paid for the Democrats' proposals and severe austerity measures are needed. Yes, we need an emergency spending bill, but it isn't carte blanche to spend unlimited amounts of money so that no one has to feel pain. We cannot allow the entire solvency of the country and financial health of the US to be as risk for generations upon generations of future Americans to be jeopardized because we are all too much of a wuss to endure any pain. Wait until the world drops the dollar as the preferred currency because we are too indebted. Now THAT would be real pain. Absolutely no one should be guaranteed their full salary in Uncle Sam's tab. Phase in spending and add more if needed until it is over. Demanding unlimited money is idiotic.

Oh STFU! You are exactly why we are in this sh!t right now. Shut.it.up! No one wants to hear it.

Blow me...

You moronic democrats are extremely selfish and give ZERO Fs about the financial health of the country for our children. Spend unlimited amounts of money now so everyone feels comfy. Ruin the country for our kids for generations. Moron.

So you are all for letting Mnuchin hand out $500 billion secretly to companies, but not helping the average wage earner?

You dimocrats fail to understand that it is part of a multipronged approach. You're absolutely damn right business needs to be bailed out. If we do nothing there will be NO JOBS for people to go back to once this is over. Stimulus money will also be given to individuals, but that doesn't mean unlimited amounts of spending should happen. People will have to sacrifice. We cannot let the country become insolvent because no one wanted to give up their cushy lifestyles temporarily. Have you seen how bad Greece got? That's the path we are headed on. Stop trying to attach economic relief to insane AOC Green New Deal initiatives and diversities of corporate board, which have nothing to do with fighting a pandemic. Democrats are going to absolutely pounded at the polls once the public learns they're suffering more than they need to because Democrats are trying to jam through insane Social Justice initiatives attached to the bill. The voters will take it out on Democrats for starting The Great Depression 2.

Putting cash in consumers hands helps keep the businesses running.

No it doesn't, because if everyone is under stay in place orders you can't spend money that easily. Right now, businesses need cash infusions to stay solvent or else all of society collapses and no one has jobs to go back to.

[Anonymous]

Pelosi is pure evil. She is purposely adding things to the bill so that it doesn't get passed. Then, she can blame the Republicans. She does not care that people are dying, losing jobs, or struggling to feed their families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pelosi is pure evil. She is purposely adding things to the bill so that it doesn't get passed. Then, she can blame the Republicans. She does not care that people are dying, losing jobs, or struggling to feed their families.

What about McConnell?

Can you even hear yourself?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pelosi is pure evil. She is purposely adding things to the bill so that it doesn't get passed. Then, she can blame the Republicans. She does not care that people are dying, losing jobs, or struggling to feed their families.

You could say the same for Mitch McConnell. It’s a negotiation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wonder if $10k in student loan forgiveness ($500 billion cost) can be considered Coronavirus related? It's in Nancy's bill

It puts money right back into the economy. Why not?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:over 1000 pages. This is her dream to get her radical agenda passed. What does a diverse corporate board have to do with a pandemic package? What does minimum wage have to do with it? Lots and lots more. Terrible move on her part. The sad part is that it will likely work. Blackmail.

It will break the stranglehold of dipsh#ts promoting their frat brothers into the C-suite and then begging the taxpayers for a bail-out. A diversity requirement is fine by me if it means they won't fleece taxpayers again.

You don't want restrictions? Don't beg Congress for money because you blew all your savings like drunk, whoring sailors.

You really don't get that this is not the time for this kind of bill. This has nothing to do with helping people out of a pandemic. YOU just don't care. And, a diversity bill will do nothing to stop fleecing taxpayers. Greed is common across all races.

If greedy assholes want to be bailed out, we need protections to prevent them from being greedy assholes with the federal assistance. They can still be greedy assholes with their own money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

MikeL wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Idiot Democrats.

They're proposing that all Americans recieve their full regular paycheck saries from the govt until this is over. Utterly insane. Dems want it so that no American has to sacrifice anything during a hardship. The Greatest Generation is rolling in their graves at the Dem proposal. People had to suffer through the Great Depression for Christ's sake, yet Democrats don't want people to have to endure any difficulties. Too bad. We all have to sacrifice. The Democrats' proposal will blow up the budget for years with mind warping amounts of debt. If you think this is bad, wait until the piper has to get paid for the Democrats' proposals and severe austerity measures are needed. Yes, we need an emergency spending bill, but it isn't carte blanche to spend unlimited amounts of money so that no one has to feel pain. We cannot allow the entire solvency of the country and financial health of the US to be as risk for generations upon generations of future Americans to be jeopardized because we are all too much of a wuss to endure any pain. Wait until the world drops the dollar as the preferred currency because we are too indebted. Now THAT would be real pain. Absolutely no one should be guaranteed their full salary in Uncle Sam's tab. Phase in spending and add more if needed until it is over. Demanding unlimited money is idiotic.

Oh STFU! You are exactly why we are in this sh!t right now. Shut.it.up! No one wants to hear it.

Blow me...

You moronic democrats are extremely selfish and give ZERO Fs about the financial health of the country for our children. Spend unlimited amounts of money now so everyone feels comfy. Ruin the country for our kids for generations. Moron.

So you are all for letting Mnuchin hand out $500 billion secretly to companies, but not helping the average wage earner?

You dimocrats fail to understand that it is part of a multipronged approach. You're absolutely damn right business needs to be bailed out. If we do nothing there will be NO JOBS for people to go back to once this is over. Stimulus money will also be given to individuals, but that doesn't mean unlimited amounts of spending should happen. People will have to sacrifice. We cannot let the country become insolvent because no one wanted to give up their cushy lifestyles temporarily. Have you seen how bad Greece got? That's the path we are headed on. Stop trying to attach economic relief to insane AOC Green New Deal initiatives and diversities of corporate board, which have nothing to do with fighting a pandemic. Democrats are going to absolutely pounded at the polls once the public learns they're suffering more than they need to because Democrats are trying to jam through insane Social Justice initiatives attached to the bill. The voters will take it out on Democrats for starting The Great Depression 2.

Putting cash in consumers hands helps keep the businesses running.

No it doesn't, because if everyone is under stay in place orders you can't spend money that easily. Right now, businesses need cash infusions to stay solvent or else all of society collapses and no one has jobs to go back to.

Both can be true at the same time. But there is no reason not to put conditions on money that particularly big business, might be taking. If airlines want money, then the US can dictate that it not lay off anyone and that the money not be used for share buybacks or executive salary. Why is that so hard?

[Anonymous]

This is pretty good, IMO.

[Anonymous]

Small business relief:

-The Fed to establish and manage a Small Business credit facility to provide loans to any small business affected. "Small business" defined as "(A) a small business concern (as defined 7 under section 3 of the Small Business Act (15 8 U.S.C. 632); (B) a family farm; (C) an independent contractor; and (D) any other class of businesses to which the Board of Governors determines loans would promote full employment and price stability." Note - in my view, it looks like the Fed has full flexibility to design and set the amount of loans available, Congress is delegating.
-US Treasury to give 0% loan to small businesses equal to its January 2020 one month revenue; loan will be forgiven if head count declines within 1 year (ie, business does not recover); loans funding up to $50B total
-Suspension of small business loan payments - no capitalizing interest, adding fees, send to collections, negative credit reports, triggering higher interest rate until 120 days after end of crisis

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/32320

On bailouts: no CEO pay, no share buybacks, no layoffs; grants for small biz; will give payments to laid off workers

On elections:
"For our Democracy: Ensures that states can carry out this year’s election with billions in grant funding for states through the Election Assistance Commission and a national requirement for both 15 days of early voting and no-excuse absentee vote-by-mail, including mailing a ballot to all registered voters in an emergency."

That sounds like a thoughtful plan meant to help the Americans who most need it.

Stop lying. You’re just like the media. She’s adding green new deal junk in there while Americans are dying. Blood in your hands dems, blood on your hands.

Can you point specifically to the “green new deal junk“ in the bill? Because the Republican bill had funding for abstinence-only education programs. How does that help dying Americans exactly?

I mean, keeping teens from being intimate could help slow the spread of the coronavirus...

/s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/32320

On bailouts: no CEO pay, no share buybacks, no layoffs; grants for small biz; will give payments to laid off workers

On elections:
"For our Democracy: Ensures that states can carry out this year’s election with billions in grant funding for states through the Election Assistance Commission and a national requirement for both 15 days of early voting and no-excuse absentee vote-by-mail, including mailing a ballot to all registered voters in an emergency."

That sounds like a thoughtful plan meant to help the Americans who most need it.

Stop lying. You’re just like the media. She’s adding green new deal junk in there while Americans are dying. Blood in your hands dems, blood on your hands.

Can you point specifically to the “green new deal junk“ in the bill? Because the Republican bill had funding for abstinence-only education programs. How does that help dying Americans exactly?

I mean, keeping teens from being intimate could help slow the spread of the coronavirus...

/s

ALL PARTIES NEED TO QUIT WITH THE JUNK GODDAMNIT. Stop playing politics with this. Clean bills only that are directly related to pandemic relief only. Congress needs to be nuked from orbit if they don't do something quick.