Achievement gap will worsen with refusal to provide distance learning

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Anonymous wrote:My students who fit in this category are about two grade levels below their peers in at least one area, have an IEP, usually English is not their first language, parents do not speak English, etc. These kids need one-on-one or small group teaching, modified for their specific needs. They will not receive help from their parent(s) because their parent(s) do not speak the language. A video or work posted online isn’t going to help them bridge the gap.


I understand this. But for the rest of the students, we should do nothing?


And what about the most vulnerable students?


what's your recommendation for the most vulnerable students?


DP - don't have one, buy why not educate the ones that you can easily while you focus on the vulnerable. Unless your point is the majority are vulnerable? If so, that's a different discussion.
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Anonymous wrote:IEP’s, ESOL, copyright issues (You can’t just put anything you want online. If you teach new material, then how will it be accessed? If you follow the curriculum then how will you handle all the state assessments? Training teachers en mass. Training students en mass. So many issues. Let’s be realistic as well. Half the students won’t really bother doing any of it. I am sure they have enough data from the current online work to get a sense of work completion from students.


And yet several privates and even other publics are managing it. Stop making excuses. This school system is generously funded. There are thousands of teachers doing nothing right now and we are burning through money. Taxpayers spend $15,000 per kid for mcps and they cannot manage this. It’s unacceptable. We would be getting a better return on our dollar by firing the entire admin and sending all the kids to privates.



Your straight A kids wouldn’t get it. Everyone knows about the system’s inflated grades.
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Anonymous wrote:My students who fit in this category are about two grade levels below their peers in at least one area, have an IEP, usually English is not their first language, parents do not speak English, etc. These kids need one-on-one or small group teaching, modified for their specific needs. They will not receive help from their parent(s) because their parent(s) do not speak the language. A video or work posted online isn’t going to help them bridge the gap.


I understand this. But for the rest of the students, we should do nothing?


And what about the most vulnerable students?


what's your recommendation for the most vulnerable students?


So NO ONE should learn? I think significant efforts should be made for every student but to shut the whole thing down doesn't make any sense. Also I love how they are continuing to act like we are back in two weeks when every college is cancelling graduation. Come on.
Anonymous
If MCPS went forward with on-line instruction for say a month — in this example assume a 7th grade math reacher posts the lectures she would normally give, teachers are available to try to answer questions, and they figure out a way to give a test of the material. What should MCPS do when they re-open the schools? Not all students will have been able to participate in the on-line learning. So should the same material be taught again in the classroom?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:If MCPS went forward with on-line instruction for say a month — in this example assume a 7th grade math reacher posts the lectures she would normally give, teachers are available to try to answer questions, and they figure out a way to give a test of the material. What should MCPS do when they re-open the schools? Not all students will have been able to participate in the on-line learning. So should the same material be taught again in the classroom?


Students that transfer from other school districts or countries get evaluated at the beginning of the year. We may have to do that for everyone next year. Students that are prepared, perhaps because they studied over the summer or continued with instruction somehow should NOT be penalized simply because others did not; those who can move forward should, and those who cannot move forward should not; they should be placed in the appropriate class no matter what. Whatever is done, it will be unfair to some; as a society I want the decision that is best for SOCIETY, not necessarily what is best for each and every individual. Society will be better off with at least SOME students continuing to learn NOW, rather than enacting a policy where NO STUDENT learns. Fair to all? No. Best for society? Most certainly.
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Anonymous wrote:If MCPS went forward with on-line instruction for say a month — in this example assume a 7th grade math reacher posts the lectures she would normally give, teachers are available to try to answer questions, and they figure out a way to give a test of the material. What should MCPS do when they re-open the schools? Not all students will have been able to participate in the on-line learning. So should the same material be taught again in the classroom?


Students that transfer from other school districts or countries get evaluated at the beginning of the year. We may have to do that for everyone next year. Students that are prepared, perhaps because they studied over the summer or continued with instruction somehow should NOT be penalized simply because others did not; those who can move forward should, and those who cannot move forward should not; they should be placed in the appropriate class no matter what. Whatever is done, it will be unfair to some; as a society I want the decision that is best for SOCIETY, not necessarily what is best for each and every individual. Society will be better off with at least SOME students continuing to learn NOW, rather than enacting a policy where NO STUDENT learns. Fair to all? No. Best for society? Most certainly.


The evaluation you are describing may work if there were no school for a year. But what if the school is closed for only one month or the rest of the academic year? Are you going to create extra classes to accommodate the students who had access to the internet and those who did not. What are your practical solutions to the problem the school would face?

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We need to be patient, HCPS and even Fairfax County in VA is still figuring out the best approach. I checked out the VA forum, it sees suburban school districts are taking a lot of careful thought into the matter and not just throwing something together. Fairfax County sent the following message to their community.

March 19, 2020

Dear Families and Staff,

I hope you and your students are doing well and staying healthy. This is an extraordinary time for our community, state and nation. While we have no way to predict how the days ahead will unfold, we strongly encourage you to follow the guidance we are receiving each day from the health professionals to contain the spread of the virus. We all want to be responsible global citizens – FCPS employees and families alike – and do our part to stop the spread.

We understand the anxiety and challenges that COVID-19 is placing on families. We also know our families are concerned about instruction and learning for our students. Please know our teachers care and want to support their students.

Behind the scenes, we’ve been working hard to plan for the days and weeks ahead as we prepare for the possibility of distance learning. I will be providing you additional details early next week about our distance learning plan and other instructional updates.

If FCPS schools cannot reopen as scheduled on April 14, our plan is to begin distance learning either online, or by learning packets at that time. Over the next two weeks, we will begin distance learning training for teachers and give teachers the opportunity to plan and prepare for distance instruction and reconnect with their students.

We will also be working with individual schools to distribute laptops and MiFi devices by appointment beginning next week to students who do not have access at home. We will also provide for an essential/critical items pickup at individual schools. More details will follow.

We know there are questions about third quarter grading. We are working with our principals to develop a plan for grading and will communicate that information to you as soon as we can.

Virginia schools are closed by order of the Governor's office. The guidance provided by the Virginia Department of Education is that since school divisions cannot ensure equity in access, student instructional assignments should not be required or graded during the closure.

Please continue to take advantage of the continuity of learning resources:

When anyone logs on to FCPS 24-7 they will see a Continuity of Learning module that has links to resources for elementary students as well as resources for middle and high school students.
Continuity of learning resources are also available at this link along with information about accessing our instructional videos.
We are continuing our food distribution for our families which is a critical function we can provide at this time. Today, we began bus delivery of meals in some areas. Please continue to check our website daily for food distribution locations.

Listening to your concerns is important to me and so I invite you to join me tomorrow, March 20, for a Facebook Live Chat beginning at 3 p.m. to answer questions regarding FCPS operations during the COVID emergency. https://www.facebook.com/fcpsva

Stay connected to the latest C-19 information through the FCPS website and the Fairfax County website.

Please stay safe and look for my next message early next week.


Sincerely,

Scott Brabrand, Superintendent
Fairfax County Public Schools



The following update was sent to the HCPSS community by Superintendent Michael Martirano on March 18, 2020:

I’ve had the opportunity to check in at a few of our meal distribution sites, where I have been proud to observe our Food Services staff members hard at work ensuring children continue to have access to nutritious meals while schools are closed. Today on our second day of distribution, 5,304 meals were served at our nine sites. I am grateful that HCPSS is able to provide this service and I’m even more pleased that we have been able to expand our typical meal offerings to include three meals each day. I encourage all families to take advantage of this service.

I’d like to take a moment to underscore the importance of observing public health experts’ guidance about social distancing. This is the most powerful counteragent we have to widespread infection, and its success depends heavily on cooperation among all of us. Please stay vigilant by ensuring you and your children avoid large groups and mass gatherings, and maintaining distance from others whenever possible. I urge you to adhere to social distancing guidelines from the county and state.

As a reminder, all HCPSS athletic practices and games are canceled until schools reopen. While the business of the school system continues remotely, all schools and office buildings are closed, including playgrounds, fields, basketball courts and other outdoor spaces.

As a father and grandfather, as well as an educator, I know firsthand how difficult keeping children occupied for long periods can be, and that challenge is magnified when parents simultaneously need to do their own work while involving children in learning activities. I appreciate your patience and continued support. Our solidarity is our strongest mainstay and will fortify us as we navigate together through these uncertain circumstances.

The following daily update provides additional details for families and staff. Please continue to use www.hcpss.org for up to date information.
HCPSS.me Online Resources

While HCPSS staff work on a comprehensive distance learning plan should schools be closed for an extended period of time beyond the current closure, families are reminded that through https://hcpss.me/, students may access the following approved online tools:

Canvas: HCPSS’ learning management system
MackinVIA: Provides students access to ebooks and databases
HC Library: Provides students access to online resources and content through the Howard County Library System
Clever: Provides students with access to approved online apps, browsable by content area
G Suite: Allows students to create documents, spreadsheets, and presentations
WeVideo: Allows students to engage in video production
Office 365: Allows students to create documents, spreadsheets and presentations, as well as email for secondary students


For those of you in MCPS, all you need to do is have your child log into the MCPS Canvas Portal where their assignments have been posted. The following link are other resources from which you can access from the MCPS parent web page. We all need to remember these are perilous times. We will be fine, be grateful that we do not have randomly thrown together resources a la DCPS (the grass isn’t greener over there, based on me talking with former colleagues).

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/students/homework.aspx

Montgomery County Public Schools (MCPS) purchases online database subscriptions for student use at all three levels, to be used to support instruction. Additionally, individual schools supplement the centrally purchased databases with resources specific to the needs of the individual schools. To access the school list of resources, go to the school website and click on the “media center” tab. Directions for access will be posted. For the centrally purchased resource list, including login and password information, go to this URL: https://bit.ly/mcpsresources. You must access the link using a MCPS Google account ( mcpsmd.net).

Here are directions for logging into an MCPS Google Account from home: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14IAjthpNQwf-GwkK5eoWifJqn5coTH7sv9Pb35cnMrc/edit?usp=sharing




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Anonymous wrote:In my opinion, MCPS is being incredibly short-sighted by refusing to let any distance or on-line learning take place. I understand that access will be a problem for some students. However, by putting a stop to any learning of new material or feedback from teachers, or assesments of any kind, no child is served. Some parents who are lucky enough to have resources and time will provide lots of enrichment for their kids for as long as this lasts. They will find activities and make sure their kids stay on track academically. These kids will end up ahead of grade level. Some kids have parents that are still working, or are in difficult family situations without any adult support at home. These children will suffer with no support from MCPS. When they all come back, whenever that might be, I'm afraid that the achievement gap will be even bigger. For fear of looking inequitable, MCPS is harming more students than it would if it would just transition to online learning for whoever can access it and then try to help the folks that have trouble with access. Not to mention, the "work" that is online, at least for Elementary school, is complete dreck. Am I off base with this? I'm just disgusted by how MCPS is handling this. Everyone loses.


+100

I’m tired of MCPS using the achievement gap as an excuse to be mediocre and fail the vast majority of families they are supposed to be serving.


I'm tired of families taking less and less responsibility for raising their kids, and shifting that responsibility to MCPS and other school districts.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In my opinion, MCPS is being incredibly short-sighted by refusing to let any distance or on-line learning take place. I understand that access will be a problem for some students. However, by putting a stop to any learning of new material or feedback from teachers, or assesments of any kind, no child is served. Some parents who are lucky enough to have resources and time will provide lots of enrichment for their kids for as long as this lasts. They will find activities and make sure their kids stay on track academically. These kids will end up ahead of grade level. Some kids have parents that are still working, or are in difficult family situations without any adult support at home. These children will suffer with no support from MCPS. When they all come back, whenever that might be, I'm afraid that the achievement gap will be even bigger. For fear of looking inequitable, MCPS is harming more students than it would if it would just transition to online learning for whoever can access it and then try to help the folks that have trouble with access. Not to mention, the "work" that is online, at least for Elementary school, is complete dreck. Am I off base with this? I'm just disgusted by how MCPS is handling this. Everyone loses.


+100

I’m tired of MCPS using the achievement gap as an excuse to be mediocre and fail the vast majority of families they are supposed to be serving.


I'm tired of families taking less and less responsibility for raising their kids, and shifting that responsibility to MCPS and other school districts.


I'm tired of coronavirus, eh?

"Families! Stop doing stuff I think you shouldn't do, and start doing stuff I think you should do!" is just about as effective as "Coronavirus! Stop making people sick!"
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In my opinion, MCPS is being incredibly short-sighted by refusing to let any distance or on-line learning take place. I understand that access will be a problem for some students. However, by putting a stop to any learning of new material or feedback from teachers, or assesments of any kind, no child is served. Some parents who are lucky enough to have resources and time will provide lots of enrichment for their kids for as long as this lasts. They will find activities and make sure their kids stay on track academically. These kids will end up ahead of grade level. Some kids have parents that are still working, or are in difficult family situations without any adult support at home. These children will suffer with no support from MCPS. When they all come back, whenever that might be, I'm afraid that the achievement gap will be even bigger. For fear of looking inequitable, MCPS is harming more students than it would if it would just transition to online learning for whoever can access it and then try to help the folks that have trouble with access. Not to mention, the "work" that is online, at least for Elementary school, is complete dreck. Am I off base with this? I'm just disgusted by how MCPS is handling this. Everyone loses.


+100

I’m tired of MCPS using the achievement gap as an excuse to be mediocre and fail the vast majority of families they are supposed to be serving.


I'm tired of families taking less and less responsibility for raising their kids, and shifting that responsibility to MCPS and other school districts.


I'm tired of coronavirus, eh?

"Families! Stop doing stuff I think you shouldn't do, and start doing stuff I think you should do!" is just about as effective as "Coronavirus! Stop making people sick!"


DP

That’s simply not true.

The government has a good amount of control as to implementing incentives and changing behavior.

We currently have a system that ‘rewards’ women for having more kids, even when they can’t afford them. We have a system that has made families think that they can get free food/free clothes and other necessities from their kids’ schools, so why bother worrying about it.

Like it or not, our society has made some decisions that have led to even more and more people being comfortable with having kids that they cannot support. There are consequences to that, and it’s naive to ignore them.
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DP

That’s simply not true.

The government has a good amount of control as to implementing incentives and changing behavior.

We currently have a system that ‘rewards’ women for having more kids, even when they can’t afford them. We have a system that has made families think that they can get free food/free clothes and other necessities from their kids’ schools, so why bother worrying about it.

Like it or not, our society has made some decisions that have led to even more and more people being comfortable with having kids that they cannot support. There are consequences to that, and it’s naive to ignore them.


People sitting comfortably at home, typing on their keyboards to deplore programs that help poor kids get food and education.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:This rant is based on what, exactly? One anonymous poster in another thread who said they heard from someone that MCPS isn't doing distance learning? Nobody has any idea what's going on.


It's been a week now. Our wealthy friends and neighbors are now one week ahead of the less fortunate.

The county that has spent so much money on studies to support their own absurd initiative to bus kids around really dropped the ball here.
The road to hell is truly paved with good intentions.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This rant is based on what, exactly? One anonymous poster in another thread who said they heard from someone that MCPS isn't doing distance learning? Nobody has any idea what's going on.


It's been a week now. Our wealthy friends and neighbors are now one week ahead of the less fortunate.

The county that has spent so much money on studies to support their own absurd initiative to bus kids around really dropped the ball here.
The road to hell is truly paved with good intentions.


The county has spent exactly $0 on "studies to support their own absurd initiative to bus kids around" because there is no such initiative.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In my opinion, MCPS is being incredibly short-sighted by refusing to let any distance or on-line learning take place. I understand that access will be a problem for some students. However, by putting a stop to any learning of new material or feedback from teachers, or assesments of any kind, no child is served. Some parents who are lucky enough to have resources and time will provide lots of enrichment for their kids for as long as this lasts. They will find activities and make sure their kids stay on track academically. These kids will end up ahead of grade level. Some kids have parents that are still working, or are in difficult family situations without any adult support at home. These children will suffer with no support from MCPS. When they all come back, whenever that might be, I'm afraid that the achievement gap will be even bigger. For fear of looking inequitable, MCPS is harming more students than it would if it would just transition to online learning for whoever can access it and then try to help the folks that have trouble with access. Not to mention, the "work" that is online, at least for Elementary school, is complete dreck. Am I off base with this? I'm just disgusted by how MCPS is handling this. Everyone loses.


+100

I’m tired of MCPS using the achievement gap as an excuse to be mediocre and fail the vast majority of families they are supposed to be serving.


I'm tired of families taking less and less responsibility for raising their kids, and shifting that responsibility to MCPS and other school districts.


I'm tired of coronavirus, eh?

"Families! Stop doing stuff I think you shouldn't do, and start doing stuff I think you should do!" is just about as effective as "Coronavirus! Stop making people sick!"


DP

That’s simply not true.

The government has a good amount of control as to implementing incentives and changing behavior.

We currently have a system that ‘rewards’ women for having more kids, even when they can’t afford them. We have a system that has made families think that they can get free food/free clothes and other necessities from their kids’ schools, so why bother worrying about it.

Like it or not, our society has made some decisions that have led to even more and more people being comfortable with having kids that they cannot support. There are consequences to that, and it’s naive to ignore them.


Oh yes the tired old welfare Queen trope. I'm sure that when the government issues you your $1,000 check you will refuse out of principal because you build every road you drive down
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In my opinion, MCPS is being incredibly short-sighted by refusing to let any distance or on-line learning take place. I understand that access will be a problem for some students. However, by putting a stop to any learning of new material or feedback from teachers, or assesments of any kind, no child is served. Some parents who are lucky enough to have resources and time will provide lots of enrichment for their kids for as long as this lasts. They will find activities and make sure their kids stay on track academically. These kids will end up ahead of grade level. Some kids have parents that are still working, or are in difficult family situations without any adult support at home. These children will suffer with no support from MCPS. When they all come back, whenever that might be, I'm afraid that the achievement gap will be even bigger. For fear of looking inequitable, MCPS is harming more students than it would if it would just transition to online learning for whoever can access it and then try to help the folks that have trouble with access. Not to mention, the "work" that is online, at least for Elementary school, is complete dreck. Am I off base with this? I'm just disgusted by how MCPS is handling this. Everyone loses.


+100

I’m tired of MCPS using the achievement gap as an excuse to be mediocre and fail the vast majority of families they are supposed to be serving.


I'm tired of families taking less and less responsibility for raising their kids, and shifting that responsibility to MCPS and other school districts.


It is MCPS's job to educate our kids. That has nothing to do with responsibility.
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