Gonzaga vs. Landon

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Anonymous wrote:Academics at Landon are far better than what you would experience at GZ

What makes you say that? The outcome is that much different. Avg. ACT: Landon 31, GZ 30. Avg. SAT: Landon 1330, GZ 1300. Not significant enough considering GZ serves a much larger scale of academic abilities.

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Anonymous wrote: Wow... The competition between Gonzaga and Landon is so toxic. They are not that different they are boys schools I think some of you are crazy. You’re not going to get your answer from this forum the people on this forum are absolutely insane.

You are missing the point.

The gist of most of the responses to this thread is they don't compete and there is no competition. They don't compete for students, except very rarely. They serve almost entirely different groups of people. They don't compete athletically except rarely. They are in different athletic conferences.

No one has said one school or the other is bad and the other good. But they are very different by almost every measure. City vs. Suburbs. Large vs. Small. Religious vs. secular. WCAC vs. IAC. One is much more expensive than the other.

About the only similarity is they are all boys schools.

There may two more different schools in the area, but I can't think of any.

GZ and Prep are very different but have the same students applying.

For many Prep has been a non choice with all their issues. Kids who don’t want to commute downtown are now looking at Landon.

Of all the all boys schools in this area GZ and Landon are most alike.

GZ is nothing like STA, St. anselms, the Heights ... it is way more similar to Landon.

Since we had boys go to Prep and GZA, I can tell you the schools are much more similar than they are different. And you are right, the same boys do apply to both. And that's what made the schools similar. That and the leadership of the Jesuits and the Jesuit model of education they both share. That's also why when the boys graduate from GZA or Prep, they are much more likely to become friends with one another than with those from other schools because they have so much in common.

I'm not sure what "issues" at Prep you are talking about. A decades old sexual assault case or a Prep student or the unsubstantiated claim of assault by a girl in the 1980's. Landon's rap sheet is far from blemish-free.

I cannot think of a single way in which Gonzaga is similar to Landon. They serve different communities. Maybe there is a small group 0f Catholics who mysteriouslywouldn't consider Prep and don't want to go downtown. But that's very few people. It sounds like an express ticket out of the Catholic community to me with long lasting ramifications.

It wasn’t just 1 sexual assault it was many. More recently the cover up and character assassination of the victim.

Many Catholics are states attorneys, judges and cops. You may be new so you were not around for horror of the cover-up and character assassination. You probably didn’t even know about it until the Ford incident, and most likely only knew about it from the newspaper

But yes many of us would never send our kids to prep because of that situation.

I thinking Gonzaga is way more similar to landon then you want to admit, I think that’s the actual issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Academics at Landon are far better than what you would experience at GZ

What makes you say that? The outcome is that much different. Avg. ACT: Landon 31, GZ 30. Avg. SAT: Landon 1330, GZ 1300. Not significant enough considering GZ serves a much larger scale of academic abilities.

The atgleyes aren’t the ones bringing the academics down, It’s the legacies. But go ahead blame it on a bunch of black kids. That’s so GZ if you.

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Anonymous wrote:Academics at Landon are far better than what you would experience at GZ

What makes you say that? The outcome is that much different. Avg. ACT: Landon 31, GZ 30. Avg. SAT: Landon 1330, GZ 1300. Not significant enough considering GZ serves a much larger scale of academic abilities.

The atgleyes aren’t the ones bringing the academics down, It’s the legacies. But go ahead blame it on a bunch of black kids. That’s so GZ if you.

Wait, how did this suddenly become about race?

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Anonymous wrote:There really isn’t much these two schools have in common. Are you catholic or not? If so, then choose Gonzaga. If not, Landon.

This sums up what I was thinking and about to write!

It’s 2019 so that thinking is myopic. It’s not the 60’s or even the 80’s.

To many, the idea of Catholic education for Catholic families has not gone out of fashion. We send or children to Catholic schools to reinforce our faith and values and to build the community. Its been going on quite successfully for a couple of hundred years here and is not subject to the whims of the latest 2019-era thinking.

Having been part of that Washington Catholic community my whole life and my family going back to the 1800s I understand. But 100% of catholic families do not send their kids to Catholic schools and we understand everybody has their own needs and desires. There are thousands and thousands of Catholics that don’t send their kids to Catholic schools and that is okay.

Every child in CCD does not go to a Catholic school. The Catholic school or be an outcast mantra is literally the opposite of Catholic teachings.

Thanks to club sports kids in this generation are not as insular as the Catholic students of the past. They are friends with kids at Landon, Saint Albans, Bullis, public school, etc.

+100 with one tiny correction: because the diocese will not allow independent Catholic schools to teach sacramental preparation (even though they do it a thousand times better, IMHO), kids at independent Catholic schools still have to pay to go to Sunday school. Frankly it is ridiculous and revolt worthy as a total money grab by the diocese. They should be ashamed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: Wow... The competition between Gonzaga and Landon is so toxic. They are not that different they are boys schools I think some of you are crazy. You’re not going to get your answer from this forum the people on this forum are absolutely insane.

It is not toxic. The people chiming in on this thread are. Landon and Gonzaga are different in some ways and similar in others. The only big difference is size of overall class and the fact that one is Catholic. There is overlap of friends and families in both of these schools. I went to a lacrosse game between the two of them and the parents of boys from Landon and Gonzaga were sitting together chatting away. Many are friends, family.

There is one slightly toxic Catholic booster on here who is so far immersed in a very local Catholic bubble that the poster seems unable to fathom that there are thousands of Catholics whose kids are not in parochial schools, but who will apply to private high schools, including some Catholic/some not. That poster is looking at the list of where kids go from Catholic parochial schools and says that nearly all go to Catholic high schools and so concludes that only and all Catholics choose Catholic high school (obviously does not follow logically); but that poster has no access to where kids arriving at Catholic high schools are coming from, nor information on where Catholics who do not attend parochial schools go to high school, nor how many Catholics are at non-Catholic high schools, nor how many non-Catholics are at Catholic high schools (though a few schools do publish that information). Possibly that posters' circle of friends excludes anyone who does not fit the poster's narrative.

In 2018-19, 1,081 8th graders from ADW schools chose Catholic high schools (an 88% retention rate, which is lower than that poster seems to believe). There are 18 ADW Catholic high schools (24 if you include close in VA), with 9th grade seats at ~3000 (not including VA seats). Rough numbers, but that means nearly half of the kids attending Catholic high schools in the ADW did not attend parochial schools; no complete data on how many are Catholic. As one example, in our Catholic upper school, 65% of new students last year came from non-Catholic elementary/middle schools. No doubt that may be a higher percentage than Gonzaga or Prep, but they both also pull from more than just diocesan 8th grades, plus international students.

[Anonymous]

Increasingly the lifelong DC people who choose GZA do so because of reputation, a lot having to with sports, tradition and networks. Many are not Catholic, their other choice tends to be St John's, and many are leaving unrelated independent middle schools, even those that go to 12.

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Anonymous wrote: Wow... The competition between Gonzaga and Landon is so toxic. They are not that different they are boys schools I think some of you are crazy. You’re not going to get your answer from this forum the people on this forum are absolutely insane.

You are missing the point.

The gist of most of the responses to this thread is they don't compete and there is no competition. They don't compete for students, except very rarely. They serve almost entirely different groups of people. They don't compete athletically except rarely. They are in different athletic conferences.

No one has said one school or the other is bad and the other good. But they are very different by almost every measure. City vs. Suburbs. Large vs. Small. Religious vs. secular. WCAC vs. IAC. One is much more expensive than the other.

About the only similarity is they are all boys schools.

There may two more different schools in the area, but I can't think of any.

WZ beat Landon and many sports every year. Rugby,crew,lacrosse just to name a few

Landon doesn’t even have a crew team.

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Anonymous wrote: Wow... The competition between Gonzaga and Landon is so toxic. They are not that different they are boys schools I think some of you are crazy. You’re not going to get your answer from this forum the people on this forum are absolutely insane.

It is not toxic. The people chiming in on this thread are. Landon and Gonzaga are different in some ways and similar in others. The only big difference is size of overall class and the fact that one is Catholic. There is overlap of friends and families in both of these schools. I went to a lacrosse game between the two of them and the parents of boys from Landon and Gonzaga were sitting together chatting away. Many are friends, family.

Hard to imagine the Landon "Azalea Festival" crowd fitting in at much more middle class Gonzaga.

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Anonymous wrote:There really isn’t much these two schools have in common. Are you catholic or not? If so, then choose Gonzaga. If not, Landon.

This sums up what I was thinking and about to write!

It’s 2019 so that thinking is myopic. It’s not the 60’s or even the 80’s.

To many, the idea of Catholic education for Catholic families has not gone out of fashion. We send or children to Catholic schools to reinforce our faith and values and to build the community. Its been going on quite successfully for a couple of hundred years here and is not subject to the whims of the latest 2019-era thinking.

Eh, seems antiquated and oddly clannish but you do you.

I'm sure to non-Catholics, the Catholic community seems "clannish" and so terribly not modern.

But to us, it's our history and our culture.

It's just an example of how completely clueless the non-Catholics are about Catholics, the Catholic church and Catholic education.

[Anonymous]

Hard to imagine the Landon "Azalea Festival" crowd fitting in at much more middle class Gonzaga.

I see plenty of Benz and Rovers speeding around Bethesda, NW DC, Potomac rocking the big purple G sticker on the backs of their cars.

the Hypocrisy of your post is laughable and clearly shows how biased you are.

and believe me, I see plenty of Gonzaga moms roaming around the Landon Azaela festival dressed to the nines in Lilly.

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Anonymous wrote:There really isn’t much these two schools have in common. Are you catholic or not? If so, then choose Gonzaga. If not, Landon.

This sums up what I was thinking and about to write!

It’s 2019 so that thinking is myopic. It’s not the 60’s or even the 80’s.

To many, the idea of Catholic education for Catholic families has not gone out of fashion. We send or children to Catholic schools to reinforce our faith and values and to build the community. Its been going on quite successfully for a couple of hundred years here and is not subject to the whims of the latest 2019-era thinking.

Eh, seems antiquated and oddly clannish but you do you.

I'm sure to non-Catholics, the Catholic community seems "clannish" and so terribly not modern.

But to us, it's our history and our culture.

It's just an example of how completely clueless the non-Catholics are about Catholics, the Catholic church and Catholic education.

Please stop speaking for all Catholics. You sound very clannish. It does not represent Catholics as a whole or even as a half.

You are part of a very insular group of people mostly from CC/Potomac/Bethesda/NWDC and you don't really have experience outside that.

[Anonymous]

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Hard to imagine the Landon "Azalea Festival" crowd fitting in at much more middle class Gonzaga.

I see plenty of Benz and Rovers speeding around Bethesda, NW DC, Potomac rocking the big purple G sticker on the backs of their cars.

the Hypocrisy of your post is laughable and clearly shows how biased you are.

and believe me, I see plenty of Gonzaga moms roaming around the Landon Azaela festival dressed to the nines in Lilly.

But do the dads get plastered before the Azalea Festival... then they would be very similar.

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Was 2011 decades ago?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m thing about Gonzaga is that they have multiple teams for some sports. Even though your child may never make the top rugby team there are six other rugby teams that he might be able to play on this is also true for crew.

and three hockey teams, which is saying somethig.