ODP

[Anonymous]

PP again (don't like the long block quotes)

Where did you get that number from? The 2005 boys had about 80-ish at the inter-district scrimmages and something like 64 made the state pool. Maybe different in other age groups. Do you work with VYSA as an age group coordinator? Something else to bolster your credibility?

And again, the camp was open to the entire state pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP again (don't like the long block quotes)

Where did you get that number from? The 2005 boys had about 80-ish at the inter-district scrimmages and something like 64 made the state pool. Maybe different in other age groups. Do you work with VYSA as an age group coordinator? Something else to bolster your credibility?

And again, the camp was open to the entire state pool.

My numbers were based on at the time my kids went through and simply comparing the District pool for the age group compared to the State for that year. These were younger age groups with far more overall participation than older years. Kids that don't mkae District or states in the U13/U14 year rarely bother trying out again and the older the age groups get the fewer overall participants. The number of teams they need at the State level to have a viable pool for Regional selection will determine the total number of cuts throughout the year.

So yes, if at U16 a total of 40 kids tryout for District ODP almost all will certainly make it to State. If at U13 or U14 90+ kids tryout for District ODP half of those kids will not make it to the State level.

And the 40 or so kids that don't make State at U13 or U14 simply don't bother trying out the following year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Worth it? $500 for district training--10 weeks x 1.5 hrs on Sunday nights maybe near you. Fall 2017 the training was in Leesburg. 2018 it was in Fairfax.

$500 for state pool training. 10 Saturdays or Sundays x 1.5 or 2 hrs in Fredericksburg. And wait until you carefully plan your weekend around ODP and then get an email on Friday night that they've switched to the "inclement weather" schedule, meaning that now your plans are all messed up.

Only half of each district kids make the State Pool.

$500 for each weekend event, in which your DC will participate in 3 games. Usually 3 weekend events.
If you're keeping count, we're up to $2500 now, which is about the cost of a year of travel soccer.

Only State Pool players play in these events. They are not mandatory.

Camp is another $500, and the big Europe trip is around $3k.

Less than half of the State Pool are selected for the Regional Camp. Of those who attend only a handful of kids from the state make the regional Pool. Half of the total Regional pool encompassing Virginia through the North East, make the Regional pool.

The over seas trip is optional and only offered to two age groups per gender.

All events are chaperoned events that cover transportation, food and board.

Hi, I'm the PP who is quoted above. I'll start with what's correct:
First, you're right that the weekend events are not mandatory, and include room, most food, transportation, and chaperones. It is not necessary to spend the $1500 in order to participate in the program.

Second, the Europe trip is optional, of course.

The parts I bolded are not true. I don't know the exact numbers statewide, but I do know that many more than 50% of the north district made the state pool. Closer to 90%.

As far as the camp, I'll just copy and paste from the email:

The East Region ODP Camp is an optional event (meaning it’s not by coach selection) and open to the entire state pool.

Don't know where you got the 50% number, other than to think that you have no clue what you're talking about and are just pulling numbers out of your backside.

Does this mean that one has to attend the Regional ODP camp to be part of the "regional pool"? Or is the state training performance what determines who makes regional pool?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP again (don't like the long block quotes)

Where did you get that number from? The 2005 boys had about 80-ish at the inter-district scrimmages and something like 64 made the state pool. Maybe different in other age groups. Do you work with VYSA as an age group coordinator? Something else to bolster your credibility?

And again, the camp was open to the entire state pool.

My numbers were based on at the time my kids went through and simply comparing the District pool for the age group compared to the State for that year. These were younger age groups with far more overall participation than older years. Kids that don't mkae District or states in the U13/U14 year rarely bother trying out again and the older the age groups get the fewer overall participants. The number of teams they need at the State level to have a viable pool for Regional selection will determine the total number of cuts throughout the year.

So yes, if at U16 a total of 40 kids tryout for District ODP almost all will certainly make it to State. If at U13 or U14 90+ kids tryout for District ODP half of those kids will not make it to the State level.

And the 40 or so kids that don't make State at U13 or U14 simply don't bother trying out the following year.

I think you're just making stuff up based on your anecdotal experience. I'm done.

Regarding whether one must attend the regional camp in order to be selected for the regional pool...
Keep this in mind: ODP is a revenue generator for VYSA. If you don't participate in the events and go to the camps, you will not assist VYSA in their goal to generate revenue. You must be a good player to be selected for the region pool, but you must also show a "commitment to the program," which means every time they send you an email, you send them a payment.

I heard that there were one or two kids selected for the east region pool this year out of Virginia who didn't go to the camp. But they probably have long track records with ODP and didn't attend because of exceptional circumstances.

[Anonymous]

How much do they charge for ODP now?

[Anonymous]

There are 70 boys in the '05 Virginia State Pool.
There were just shy of 300 boys in the Virginia District Pools.
There were 37 boys from the North District to make the Virginia State Pool.
I do not have the North District Pool numbers any longer, but it was over 80 players.

[Anonymous]

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The talent at the State level is impressive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP again (don't like the long block quotes)

Where did you get that number from? The 2005 boys had about 80-ish at the inter-district scrimmages and something like 64 made the state pool. Maybe different in other age groups. Do you work with VYSA as an age group coordinator? Something else to bolster your credibility?

And again, the camp was open to the entire state pool.

My numbers were based on at the time my kids went through and simply comparing the District pool for the age group compared to the State for that year. These were younger age groups with far more overall participation than older years. Kids that don't mkae District or states in the U13/U14 year rarely bother trying out again and the older the age groups get the fewer overall participants. The number of teams they need at the State level to have a viable pool for Regional selection will determine the total number of cuts throughout the year.

So yes, if at U16 a total of 40 kids tryout for District ODP almost all will certainly make it to State. If at U13 or U14 90+ kids tryout for District ODP half of those kids will not make it to the State level.

And the 40 or so kids that don't make State at U13 or U14 simply don't bother trying out the following year.

I think you're just making stuff up based on your anecdotal experience. I'm done.

Regarding whether one must attend the regional camp in order to be selected for the regional pool...
Keep this in mind: ODP is a revenue generator for VYSA. If you don't participate in the events and go to the camps, you will not assist VYSA in their goal to generate revenue. You must be a good player to be selected for the region pool, but you must also show a "commitment to the program," which means every time they send you an email, you send them a payment.

I heard that there were one or two kids selected for the east region pool this year out of Virginia who didn't go to the camp. But they probably have long track records with ODP and didn't attend because of exceptional circumstances.

This poster gets it.

It's about $$ for VYSA.

Everything else is secondary.

That should tell you all you really need to know about ODP.

[Anonymous]

Ya down wit ODP, ya you know me ...

[Anonymous]

So let’s say a kid makes it all the way to regionals, then what happens? What’s the end end game? Do they just signup and do it all over again the following year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So let’s say a kid makes it all the way to regionals, then what happens? What’s the end end game? Do they just signup and do it all over again the following year?

We got out of ODP before going that far, so this is limited, but it appears that after making the region pool a player is given the opportunity to spend even more money on regional training and events. The player is also expected to pay for and participate in all of the district and state training and events.

After all, if you can spend $7k/yr on ODP, surely you can spend $13-14k/year on odp.

Benefits? It’s a stamp of validation that your kid is a pretty good player. A look for a youth national team? No way. On the boys’ side, your DS would have to move to the DA and, therefore, out of odp for that.

The key question is this: are the kids in the odp region pool the best non-DA players in the state of Virginia? No way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP again (don't like the long block quotes)

Where did you get that number from? The 2005 boys had about 80-ish at the inter-district scrimmages and something like 64 made the state pool. Maybe different in other age groups. Do you work with VYSA as an age group coordinator? Something else to bolster your credibility?

And again, the camp was open to the entire state pool.

My numbers were based on at the time my kids went through and simply comparing the District pool for the age group compared to the State for that year. These were younger age groups with far more overall participation than older years. Kids that don't mkae District or states in the U13/U14 year rarely bother trying out again and the older the age groups get the fewer overall participants. The number of teams they need at the State level to have a viable pool for Regional selection will determine the total number of cuts throughout the year.

So yes, if at U16 a total of 40 kids tryout for District ODP almost all will certainly make it to State. If at U13 or U14 90+ kids tryout for District ODP half of those kids will not make it to the State level.

And the 40 or so kids that don't make State at U13 or U14 simply don't bother trying out the following year.

I think you're just making stuff up based on your anecdotal experience. I'm done.

Regarding whether one must attend the regional camp in order to be selected for the regional pool...
Keep this in mind: ODP is a revenue generator for VYSA. If you don't participate in the events and go to the camps, you will not assist VYSA in their goal to generate revenue. You must be a good player to be selected for the region pool, but you must also show a "commitment to the program," which means every time they send you an email, you send them a payment.

I heard that there were one or two kids selected for the east region pool this year out of Virginia who didn't go to the camp. But they probably have long track records with ODP and didn't attend because of exceptional circumstances.

I understand they need to make money, they have a huge facility with I think 7 fields and two lighted turf fields. The mortgage on that is probably huge, maybe when it is paid off the program will be free to anyone that wants to play. Until then I will just tap into my endless line of credit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So let’s say a kid makes it all the way to regionals, then what happens? What’s the end end game? Do they just signup and do it all over again the following year?

If you make regional pool that was just announced you will play for a week in Florida this winter. The best players from those events come back again in Jan for the NTC .

Girls Thanksgiving Interregional
Boca Raton, FL
Nov. 22-28, 2019
Age Groups: 2002/2003, 2004, 2005, 2006

Boys Winter Interregional
IMG Academy, Bradenton, FL
Dec. 17-21, 2019
Age Groups: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006

USYS Boys & Girls National Training Camp (NTC)
Tampa, FL
Jan 23-28, 2020
Age Groups: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006