Q re Georgetown

[Anonymous]

Do you know what can be done if a high school doesn't rank? My DS's high school doesn't rank, but will reveal that 7% of the class has a GPA of 4.51 or above. DS is clearly over WGPA 4.6. This sounds like top 5% to me, but there is no way to prove it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you know what can be done if a high school doesn't rank? My DS's high school doesn't rank, but will reveal that 7% of the class has a GPA of 4.51 or above. DS is clearly over WGPA 4.6. This sounds like top 5% to me, but there is no way to prove it.

The answer is that each high school provides to every college who requests it a "profile" of its senior high school class. That profile indicates what APs are offers and how many students are taking those APs. So once a college receives said application from a student one of the first things it does (via "readers" hired on a temp basis by the admissions office) is to line up your student's classes, AP courses and GPA with the "profile". Every institution does this and can instantly tell if your child with a 3.4 is in the top 10% of its class, top 5%, or mid 50%. So ignore the schools when they say "we don't rank". They don't - but they provide the colleges with all the tools to allow them to rank your child. That's how we know certain schools like UVA can say that 94% of its incoming class ranked in the top ten percent of their high school's courses. Also, your own high school counselor must check off a box indicatiing whether or not your child has taken the most rigorous courses offered in high school. This is critical that you talk to your high school counselor and check this out. It's particularly crucial with public high schools like the top ones in NOVa which offer extensive math and science courses well beyond calculus, into linear, statistics, coding, computational math and other advanced math courses that privates normally aren't equipped to offer.

[Anonymous]

Where on the website does it state that only 2 SAT Subject tests are required now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you know what can be done if a high school doesn't rank? My DS's high school doesn't rank, but will reveal that 7% of the class has a GPA of 4.51 or above. DS is clearly over WGPA 4.6. This sounds like top 5% to me, but there is no way to prove it.

The answer is that each high school provides to every college who requests it a "profile" of its senior high school class. That profile indicates what APs are offers and how many students are taking those APs. So once a college receives said application from a student one of the first things it does (via "readers" hired on a temp basis by the admissions office) is to line up your student's classes, AP courses and GPA with the "profile". Every institution does this and can instantly tell if your child with a 3.4 is in the top 10% of its class, top 5%, or mid 50%. So ignore the schools when they say "we don't rank". They don't - but they provide the colleges with all the tools to allow them to rank your child. That's how we know certain schools like UVA can say that 94% of its incoming class ranked in the top ten percent of their high school's courses. Also, your own high school counselor must check off a box indicatiing whether or not your child has taken the most rigorous courses offered in high school. This is critical that you talk to your high school counselor and check this out. It's particularly crucial with public high schools like the top ones in NOVa which offer extensive math and science courses well beyond calculus, into linear, statistics, coding, computational math and other advanced math courses that privates normally aren't equipped to offer.

While it is true that the schools provide profiles, they may not have enough info to generate class rank, but they do help compare applicants from the same school. But that has no relation to colleges saying x% were in the top ten percent. Those figures are derived solely from the schools that actually rank their students. They disregard the unranked for those calculations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you know what can be done if a high school doesn't rank? My DS's high school doesn't rank, but will reveal that 7% of the class has a GPA of 4.51 or above. DS is clearly over WGPA 4.6. This sounds like top 5% to me, but there is no way to prove it.

The answer is that each high school provides to every college who requests it a "profile" of its senior high school class. That profile indicates what APs are offers and how many students are taking those APs. So once a college receives said application from a student one of the first things it does (via "readers" hired on a temp basis by the admissions office) is to line up your student's classes, AP courses and GPA with the "profile". Every institution does this and can instantly tell if your child with a 3.4 is in the top 10% of its class, top 5%, or mid 50%. So ignore the schools when they say "we don't rank". They don't - but they provide the colleges with all the tools to allow them to rank your child. That's how we know certain schools like UVA can say that 94% of its incoming class ranked in the top ten percent of their high school's courses. Also, your own high school counselor must check off a box indicatiing whether or not your child has taken the most rigorous courses offered in high school. This is critical that you talk to your high school counselor and check this out. It's particularly crucial with public high schools like the top ones in NOVa which offer extensive math and science courses well beyond calculus, into linear, statistics, coding, computational math and other advanced math courses that privates normally aren't equipped to offer.

While it is true that the schools provide profiles, they may not have enough info to generate class rank, but they do help compare applicants from the same school. But that has no relation to colleges saying x% were in the top ten percent. Those figures are derived solely from the schools that actually rank their students. They disregard the unranked for those calculations.

As the PP says, they don't include unranked in the calculation of the percentage of students in top 10%, etc. You can see this in Common Data Set and also in admissions office statements. So if 90% are said to be in the top 10% and 33% of incoming students have rank provided, it is 90% of the 33%. Nothing is claimed about the remaining 67% of students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know a lot of CATHOLIC Catholics and they would never ever ever send their kids to Georgetown.

The "student" athlete admissions scandals in the 90s, reparations thing, the cringe law student who wanted free birth control, and letting in every international idiot aren't the best optics. Just seems like a mismanaged, hot mess. ND and BC seem to have much stronger administration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you know what can be done if a high school doesn't rank? My DS's high school doesn't rank, but will reveal that 7% of the class has a GPA of 4.51 or above. DS is clearly over WGPA 4.6. This sounds like top 5% to me, but there is no way to prove it.

The answer is that each high school provides to every college who requests it a "profile" of its senior high school class. That profile indicates what APs are offers and how many students are taking those APs. So once a college receives said application from a student one of the first things it does (via "readers" hired on a temp basis by the admissions office) is to line up your student's classes, AP courses and GPA with the "profile". Every institution does this and can instantly tell if your child with a 3.4 is in the top 10% of its class, top 5%, or mid 50%. So ignore the schools when they say "we don't rank". They don't - but they provide the colleges with all the tools to allow them to rank your child. That's how we know certain schools like UVA can say that 94% of its incoming class ranked in the top ten percent of their high school's courses. Also, your own high school counselor must check off a box indicatiing whether or not your child has taken the most rigorous courses offered in high school. This is critical that you talk to your high school counselor and check this out. It's particularly crucial with public high schools like the top ones in NOVa which offer extensive math and science courses well beyond calculus, into linear, statistics, coding, computational math and other advanced math courses that privates normally aren't equipped to offer.

While it is true that the schools provide profiles, they may not have enough info to generate class rank, but they do help compare applicants from the same school. But that has no relation to colleges saying x% were in the top ten percent. Those figures are derived solely from the schools that actually rank their students. They disregard the unranked for those calculations.

You are wrong. The high schools provide profiles that tell exactly what percentage of the high school class takes what AP courses. It gives the top performing GPA and other percentiles as to GPA (5%, 10%, etc.). And the profile lists every single AP course offered. Then the college counselor provides his or her own recommendation (especially to in-state schools) and has to check off a box indicating whether or not the particular student has exhausted the most rigorous courses the school has to offer. It takes but 10 seconds for a college "reader" to line up any students' GPA and transcript to figure out exactly where they stand in the class. This is why high schools can claim "we don't rank" but the colleges can then say, like UVA does, "94.5% of incoming class of 2023 were in the top 10% of their class". The high school couunselors know exactly where every student ranks and it is their job as paid state employees to convey that information to the state universiities. So don't believe it when they say "we don't rank". They do but in such a way that they have cover.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you know what can be done if a high school doesn't rank? My DS's high school doesn't rank, but will reveal that 7% of the class has a GPA of 4.51 or above. DS is clearly over WGPA 4.6. This sounds like top 5% to me, but there is no way to prove it.

The answer is that each high school provides to every college who requests it a "profile" of its senior high school class. That profile indicates what APs are offers and how many students are taking those APs. So once a college receives said application from a student one of the first things it does (via "readers" hired on a temp basis by the admissions office) is to line up your student's classes, AP courses and GPA with the "profile". Every institution does this and can instantly tell if your child with a 3.4 is in the top 10% of its class, top 5%, or mid 50%. So ignore the schools when they say "we don't rank". They don't - but they provide the colleges with all the tools to allow them to rank your child. That's how we know certain schools like UVA can say that 94% of its incoming class ranked in the top ten percent of their high school's courses. Also, your own high school counselor must check off a box indicatiing whether or not your child has taken the most rigorous courses offered in high school. This is critical that you talk to your high school counselor and check this out. It's particularly crucial with public high schools like the top ones in NOVa which offer extensive math and science courses well beyond calculus, into linear, statistics, coding, computational math and other advanced math courses that privates normally aren't equipped to offer.

While it is true that the schools provide profiles, they may not have enough info to generate class rank, but they do help compare applicants from the same school. But that has no relation to colleges saying x% were in the top ten percent. Those figures are derived solely from the schools that actually rank their students. They disregard the unranked for those calculations.

You are wrong. The high schools provide profiles that tell exactly what percentage of the high school class takes what AP courses. It gives the top performing GPA and other percentiles as to GPA (5%, 10%, etc.). And the profile lists every single AP course offered. Then the college counselor provides his or her own recommendation (especially to in-state schools) and has to check off a box indicating whether or not the particular student has exhausted the most rigorous courses the school has to offer. It takes but 10 seconds for a college "reader" to line up any students' GPA and transcript to figure out exactly where they stand in the class. This is why high schools can claim "we don't rank" but the colleges can then say, like UVA does, "94.5% of incoming class of 2023 were in the top 10% of their class". The high school couunselors know exactly where every student ranks and it is their job as paid state employees to convey that information to the state universiities. So don't believe it when they say "we don't rank". They do but in such a way that they have cover.

You are desperately missing the point. When colleges make a statement about the percentage of admitted or enrolled students in the top 10% of their class, they are making that statement based only on the students who have their rank provided. Most do not these days. Following is how Dean J at UVA described it in 2017:

"93.4% of admitted students were in the top 10% of their high school class. This number only reflects those who attend schools that report rank to colleges. Even if your school ranks, they may not report that statistic to colleges. Your counselor can tell you if your schools reports rank." http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2017/03/unofficial-uva21-admission-statistics.html

What you are saying is more or less true for whether the admissions office, internally, can assess an applicant based on their transcript and the profile, but that is separate from the top 10% statement, which is, as Dean J says, based on reported info.

[Anonymous]

This is a statement Tufts put into its Common Data Set:

With the publication of this year’s Common Data set, Tufts University resumes the practice of posting information
related to the proportion of enrolled first-year students who graduated in the top 10 percent of their high school
classes (“Top 10%”). We do so with some misgivings, and ask that you read on to learn why.

Three years ago, Tufts suspended publishing data on the Top 10% and simultaneously stopped providing that data
to U.S. News & World Report, which uses it in its formula that dictates its Best Colleges Rankings. We did so
because we believe that the data point is fundamentally flawed and of little value as an indicator of quality of an
incoming class. For several years, the number of high schools providing class rank information to Tufts and other
universities has fallen significantly. Beginning around 2011, fewer than 50 percent of incoming first-year students at
Tufts had a reported class rank. In 2014, the most recent year for which Tufts reported this data point, only 37
percent of incoming students had a class rank. This year, the percentage has fallen again to the mid-20s, meaning
that three out of every four incoming Tufts students are unranked. The downward trend is the same for our peer
schools, whose reports also show that only about 20 to 30 percent of incoming students had a class rank.
With so few high schools reporting student rankings, this metric no longer serves as a reliable indicator of the
academic strength of an incoming class. In fact, without this context, the data point can be misleading. Moreover,
the small and shrinking sample size calls into question the integrity of the data.

Nevertheless, we know that some applicants and their parents value this information and look to it as one data
point among many that helps them in their decision-making. Additionally, we recognize that other institutions
ranked in the U.S. News & World Report listings continue to report this information. While we have decided to
resume reporting it, we encourage prospective applicants, their parents, and others to understand the limitations of
this particular data point and to consider for themselves whether it is a worthwhile measure of the quality of an
incoming class.

Tufts’ approach to admissions is holistic; we select applicants who not only have strong academic credentials but also the personal characteristics and experiences that will make them good “fits” for our community. We are proud that Tufts continues to attract high-caliber students who are drawn to the university because of its academic
reputation, its student-centered characteristics, and its distinctive and diverse community made possible by the
university’s commitment to inclusion and support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a statement Tufts put into its Common Data Set:

With the publication of this year’s Common Data set, Tufts University resumes the practice of posting information
related to the proportion of enrolled first-year students who graduated in the top 10 percent of their high school
classes (“Top 10%”). We do so with some misgivings, and ask that you read on to learn why.

Three years ago, Tufts suspended publishing data on the Top 10% and simultaneously stopped providing that data
to U.S. News & World Report, which uses it in its formula that dictates its Best Colleges Rankings. We did so
because we believe that the data point is fundamentally flawed and of little value as an indicator of quality of an
incoming class. For several years, the number of high schools providing class rank information to Tufts and other
universities has fallen significantly. Beginning around 2011, fewer than 50 percent of incoming first-year students at
Tufts had a reported class rank. In 2014, the most recent year for which Tufts reported this data point, only 37
percent of incoming students had a class rank. This year, the percentage has fallen again to the mid-20s, meaning
that three out of every four incoming Tufts students are unranked. The downward trend is the same for our peer
schools, whose reports also show that only about 20 to 30 percent of incoming students had a class rank.
With so few high schools reporting student rankings, this metric no longer serves as a reliable indicator of the
academic strength of an incoming class. In fact, without this context, the data point can be misleading. Moreover,
the small and shrinking sample size calls into question the integrity of the data.

Nevertheless, we know that some applicants and their parents value this information and look to it as one data
point among many that helps them in their decision-making. Additionally, we recognize that other institutions
ranked in the U.S. News & World Report listings continue to report this information. While we have decided to
resume reporting it, we encourage prospective applicants, their parents, and others to understand the limitations of
this particular data point and to consider for themselves whether it is a worthwhile measure of the quality of an
incoming class.

Tufts’ approach to admissions is holistic; we select applicants who not only have strong academic credentials but also the personal characteristics and experiences that will make them good “fits” for our community. We are proud that Tufts continues to attract high-caliber students who are drawn to the university because of its academic
reputation, its student-centered characteristics, and its distinctive and diverse community made possible by the
university’s commitment to inclusion and support.

Hey nutter, why are you posting about Tufts on a GU thread?

[Anonymous]

Are you really that dense?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They want top test scores, lots of high level classes with top grades and you should be a practicing Catholic. You don’t need to be a practicing Catholic, but your odds increase greatly if you are.

This is incorrect, and my Jewish son loved all four years at Georgetown

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want top test scores, lots of high level classes with top grades and you should be a practicing Catholic. You don’t need to be a practicing Catholic, but your odds increase greatly if you are.

This is incorrect, and my Jewish son loved all four years at Georgetown

Glad your kid loved GU, but the PP is correct. Catholics are preferred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want top test scores, lots of high level classes with top grades and you should be a practicing Catholic. You don’t need to be a practicing Catholic, but your odds increase greatly if you are.

This is incorrect, and my Jewish son loved all four years at Georgetown

Glad your kid loved GU, but the PP is correct. Catholics are preferred.

I would go further to say that the applications of certain DC area Catholic schools are pulled out and get a second look by the Admissions director. Even the president of GU sent his kid to Gonzaga. Clearly they want kids from these schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want top test scores, lots of high level classes with top grades and you should be a practicing Catholic. You don’t need to be a practicing Catholic, but your odds increase greatly if you are.

This is incorrect, and my Jewish son loved all four years at Georgetown

Jesus was Jewish and started Catholic Church so that would be a plus being Jewish