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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]D[b]o you know what can be done if a high school doesn't rank?  My DS's high school doesn't rank, but will reveal that 7% of the class has a GPA of 4.51 or above.  DS is clearly over WGPA 4.6.  This sounds like top 5% to me, but there is no way to prove it.[/quote][/b]

The answer is that each high school provides to every college who requests it a "profile" of its senior high school class. That profile indicates what APs are offers and how many students are taking those APs.  So once a college receives said application from a student one of the first things it does (via "readers" hired on a temp basis by the admissions office) is to line up your student's classes, AP courses and GPA with the "profile".  Every institution does this and can instantly tell if your child with a 3.4 is in the top 10% of its class, top 5%, or mid 50%.  So ignore the schools when they say "we don't rank".  They don't - but they provide the colleges with all the tools to allow them to rank your child.  That's how we know certain schools like UVA can say that 94% of its incoming class ranked in the top ten percent of their high school's courses.  Also, your own high school counselor must check off a box indicatiing whether or not your child has taken the most rigorous courses offered in high school. This is critical that you talk to your high school counselor and check this out.  It's particularly crucial with public high schools like the top ones in NOVa  which offer extensive math and science courses well beyond calculus, into linear, statistics, coding, computational math and other advanced math courses that privates normally aren't equipped to offer.[/quote]

[b]While it is true that the schools provide profiles, they may not have enough info to generate class rank, but they do help compare applicants from the same school.  But that has no relation to colleges saying x% were in the top ten percent.  Those figures are derived solely from the schools that actually rank  their students.  They disregard the unranked for those calculations.[/quote][/b]

You are wrong.  The high schools provide profiles that tell exactly what percentage of the high school class takes what AP courses.  It gives the top performing GPA and other percentiles as to GPA (5%, 10%, etc.).  And the profile lists every single AP course offered. Then the college counselor provides his or her own recommendation (especially to in-state schools) and has to check off a box indicating whether or not the particular student has exhausted the most rigorous courses the school has to offer.  It takes but 10 seconds for a college "reader" to line up any students' GPA and transcript to figure out exactly where they stand in the class. [b] This is why high schools can claim "we don't rank" but the colleges can then say, like UVA does, "94.5% of incoming class of 2023 were in the top 10% of their class". [/b] The high school couunselors know exactly where every student ranks and it is their job as paid state employees to convey that information to the state universiities.  So don't believe it when they say "we don't rank".  They do but in such a way that they have cover.[/quote]

You are desperately missing the point.  When colleges make a statement about the percentage of admitted or enrolled students in the top 10% of their class, they are making that statement based only on the students who have their rank provided.  Most do not these days.   Following is how Dean J at UVA described it in 2017:

"93.4% of admitted students were in the top 10% of their high school class.  This number only reflects those who attend schools that report rank to colleges. Even if your school ranks, they may not report that statistic to colleges. Your counselor can tell you if your schools reports rank."  http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2017/03/unofficial-uva21-admission-statistics.html

What you are saying is more or less true for whether the admissions office, internally, can assess an applicant based on their transcript and the profile, but that is separate from the top 10% statement, which is, as Dean J says, based on reported info.

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