basic question about CES

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CES no longer takes the top 2-3%. They take the kids who don't have a high scoring cohort at their home school. That means some 99% kids stay at their home school while some 92% kids at a different school get the CES invite. There are many threads discussing this, here just trying to get correct current info to OP.

There's no evidence to support this fringe theory. It is mostly embraced by people who resent changes like universal screening because it grew the application pool and made admission much more difficult.

Oh, FFS. Were you actually AT the MS Magnet meetings? They specifically SAID that this was the case. They did this on purpose. Whether you agree with it or not, or think it's a good idea, is up for debate.

It is NOT up for debate that MCPS admitted lower percentile kids from lower performing kids, in order to give them a chance at a better/more challenging learning environment.

Yes, I went to all of them, and nothing of this sort was stated. MPCS picked the most promising students based on the information they had end of story.

Are you a troll? There is a current US investigation of MCPS because MCPS did not pick in order of test scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CES no longer takes the top 2-3%. They take the kids who don't have a high scoring cohort at their home school. That means some 99% kids stay at their home school while some 92% kids at a different school get the CES invite. There are many threads discussing this, here just trying to get correct current info to OP.

There's no evidence to support this fringe theory. It is mostly embraced by people who resent changes like universal screening because it grew the application pool and made admission much more difficult.

Oh, FFS. Were you actually AT the MS Magnet meetings? They specifically SAID that this was the case. They did this on purpose. Whether you agree with it or not, or think it's a good idea, is up for debate.

It is NOT up for debate that MCPS admitted lower percentile kids from lower performing kids, in order to give them a chance at a better/more challenging learning environment.

Yes, I went to all of them, and nothing of this sort was stated. MPCS picked the most promising students based on the information they had end of story.

Are you a troll? There is a current US investigation of MCPS because MCPS did not pick in order of test scores.

Uh, no, there isn't. They are investigating "complaints from Asian American parents that the new process unlawfully uses race as a factor and discriminates against their children."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/montgomery-schools-not-so-perfect-process-needs-transparency/2019/04/30/f467bf92-66be-11e9-a1b6-b29b90efa879_story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CES no longer takes the top 2-3%. They take the kids who don't have a high scoring cohort at their home school. That means some 99% kids stay at their home school while some 92% kids at a different school get the CES invite. There are many threads discussing this, here just trying to get correct current info to OP.

There's no evidence to support this fringe theory. It is mostly embraced by people who resent changes like universal screening because it grew the application pool and made admission much more difficult.

Oh, FFS. Were you actually AT the MS Magnet meetings? They specifically SAID that this was the case. They did this on purpose. Whether you agree with it or not, or think it's a good idea, is up for debate.

It is NOT up for debate that MCPS admitted lower percentile kids from lower performing kids, in order to give them a chance at a better/more challenging learning environment.

Yes, I went to all of them, and nothing of this sort was stated. MPCS picked the most promising students based on the information they had end of story.

Are you a troll? There is a current US investigation of MCPS because MCPS did not pick in order of test scores.

Uh, no, there isn't. They are investigating "complaints from Asian American parents that the new process unlawfully uses race as a factor and discriminates against their children."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/montgomery-schools-not-so-perfect-process-needs-transparency/2019/04/30/f467bf92-66be-11e9-a1b6-b29b90efa879_story.html

Sorry, I insulted trolls. You're just new to this topic. There are many long threads on the changes to CES and MS magnet admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CES no longer takes the top 2-3%. They take the kids who don't have a high scoring cohort at their home school. That means some 99% kids stay at their home school while some 92% kids at a different school get the CES invite. There are many threads discussing this, here just trying to get correct current info to OP.

There's no evidence to support this fringe theory. It is mostly embraced by people who resent changes like universal screening because it grew the application pool and made admission much more difficult.

Oh, FFS. Were you actually AT the MS Magnet meetings? They specifically SAID that this was the case. They did this on purpose. Whether you agree with it or not, or think it's a good idea, is up for debate.

It is NOT up for debate that MCPS admitted lower percentile kids from lower performing kids, in order to give them a chance at a better/more challenging learning environment.

Yes, I went to all of them, and nothing of this sort was stated. MPCS picked the most promising students based on the information they had end of story.

Are you a troll? There is a current US investigation of MCPS because MCPS did not pick in order of test scores.

Uh, no, there isn't. They are investigating "complaints from Asian American parents that the new process unlawfully uses race as a factor and discriminates against their children."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/montgomery-schools-not-so-perfect-process-needs-transparency/2019/04/30/f467bf92-66be-11e9-a1b6-b29b90efa879_story.html

Sorry, I insulted trolls. You're just new to this topic. There are many long threads on the changes to CES and MS magnet admissions.

I'm well aware of the many threads. But your characterization of the civil rights investigation is inaccurate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CES no longer takes the top 2-3%. They take the kids who don't have a high scoring cohort at their home school. That means some 99% kids stay at their home school while some 92% kids at a different school get the CES invite. There are many threads discussing this, here just trying to get correct current info to OP.

There's no evidence to support this fringe theory. It is mostly embraced by people who resent changes like universal screening because it grew the application pool and made admission much more difficult.

Oh, FFS. Were you actually AT the MS Magnet meetings? They specifically SAID that this was the case. They did this on purpose. Whether you agree with it or not, or think it's a good idea, is up for debate.

It is NOT up for debate that MCPS admitted lower percentile kids from lower performing kids, in order to give them a chance at a better/more challenging learning environment.

Yes, I went to all of them, and nothing of this sort was stated. MPCS picked the most promising students based on the information they had end of story.

Are you a troll? There is a current US investigation of MCPS because MCPS did not pick in order of test scores.

Uh, no, there isn't. They are investigating "complaints from Asian American parents that the new process unlawfully uses race as a factor and discriminates against their children."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/montgomery-schools-not-so-perfect-process-needs-transparency/2019/04/30/f467bf92-66be-11e9-a1b6-b29b90efa879_story.html

Sorry, I insulted trolls. You're just new to this topic. There are many long threads on the changes to CES and MS magnet admissions.

I'm well aware of the many threads. But your characterization of the civil rights investigation is inaccurate.

An investigation that would only happen in Betsy's DeVos' Education Department largely to appease the victim mentality of Trump's base and has absolutely zero merit.

[Anonymous]

My understanding was the latest criteria used a more nuanced approach to uncover higher caliber students than the older method used. The old system gave deference to students whose parents spent hundreds of thousands more to buy property in one of the "good" schools and ended up helping those who needed the least help. The new system focuses on aptitude and ability and puts less emphasis on a family's affluence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/13/us/education-gifted-students.html?fbclid=IwAR1t9K8SmpMWKU_0PytVO_Sc4hAjeOcCb9dSvj_EiALow0HhC7m5vyAk9tA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My understanding was the latest criteria used a more nuanced approach to uncover higher caliber students than the older method used. The old system gave deference to students whose parents spent hundreds of thousands more to buy property in one of the "good" schools and ended up helping those who needed the least help. The new system focuses on aptitude and ability and puts less emphasis on a family's affluence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/13/us/education-gifted-students.html?fbclid=IwAR1t9K8SmpMWKU_0PytVO_Sc4hAjeOcCb9dSvj_EiALow0HhC7m5vyAk9tA

Interesting quote from that article.

The changes for Asian students were “expected,” according to a district spokesman, because universal screening brought the demographics of admitted students closer in line to the overall demographics of the county.

The new system considers all 3rd graders for these programs, not just a few hundred whose parents applied. Asians made up the larger percentage of the application pool prior to universal screening. The new process is more inclusive, and it stands to reason that there was a slight decrease in their representation.

[Anonymous]

Where do they get students socioeconomic status from? I don’t recall providing that info at Kindergarten orientation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CES no longer takes the top 2-3%. They take the kids who don't have a high scoring cohort at their home school. That means some 99% kids stay at their home school while some 92% kids at a different school get the CES invite. There are many threads discussing this, here just trying to get correct current info to OP.

There's no evidence to support this fringe theory. It is mostly embraced by people who resent changes like universal screening because it grew the application pool and made admission much more difficult.

Oh, FFS. Were you actually AT the MS Magnet meetings? They specifically SAID that this was the case. They did this on purpose. Whether you agree with it or not, or think it's a good idea, is up for debate.

It is NOT up for debate that MCPS admitted lower percentile kids from lower performing kids, in order to give them a chance at a better/more challenging learning environment.

Yes, I went to all of them, and nothing of this sort was stated. MPCS picked the most promising students based on the information they had end of story.

Are you a troll? There is a current US investigation of MCPS because MCPS did not pick in order of test scores.

NP. That isnt what the "investigation" is about because there was never a time when children were judged solely on test scores. Previously, factors such as teacher recommendations, take home essays, and extracurricular achievements were also considered.

At no point have admissions been based on a single test, nor should they be. It is just that the groups who received the greatest benefit from the previous system are frustrated that admissions now consider a different set of factors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where do they get students socioeconomic status from? I don’t recall providing that info at Kindergarten orientation.

You live in silver spring or Gaithersburg? Then you need help at some level

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where do they get students socioeconomic status from? I don’t recall providing that info at Kindergarten orientation.

The “cohort” criteria looks at whether there is a large enough group of similarly high performing students at the home school to provide a peer group for the student. Banded MCPS scores create an MCPS percentage that compares a student’s score to the scores of all of the other students in schools with a similar poverty level (FARMs rate) as that student’s current school. There are three bands/groups based on the school’s FARMs rate - low, medium, high poverty. It’s not based on individual student SES other than they do know if that student receives FARMs (probably they also know if the student has ever received FARMs)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where do they get students socioeconomic status from? I don’t recall providing that info at Kindergarten orientation.

It's not really socioeconomic status. It's just the percentage of students applying for free and reduced price meals (FARMS).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CES no longer takes the top 2-3%. They take the kids who don't have a high scoring cohort at their home school. That means some 99% kids stay at their home school while some 92% kids at a different school get the CES invite. There are many threads discussing this, here just trying to get correct current info to OP.

There's no evidence to support this fringe theory. It is mostly embraced by people who resent changes like universal screening because it grew the application pool and made admission much more difficult.

Oh, FFS. Were you actually AT the MS Magnet meetings? They specifically SAID that this was the case. They did this on purpose. Whether you agree with it or not, or think it's a good idea, is up for debate.

It is NOT up for debate that MCPS admitted lower percentile kids from lower performing kids, in order to give them a chance at a better/more challenging learning environment.

Yes, I went to all of them, and nothing of this sort was stated. MPCS picked the most promising students based on the information they had end of story.

Then you are straight up lying. Or you simply were not paying attention.

I went to just one MS Magnet meeting and the lady came right out and said that this year, a 90%ile student at a lower performing school would have a better chance at MS Magnet admission than a 99%ile student at a higher performing school.

It’s fine if you think that is the right approach, (maybe it is?) but don’t lie about what happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CES no longer takes the top 2-3%. They take the kids who don't have a high scoring cohort at their home school. That means some 99% kids stay at their home school while some 92% kids at a different school get the CES invite. There are many threads discussing this, here just trying to get correct current info to OP.

There's no evidence to support this fringe theory. It is mostly embraced by people who resent changes like universal screening because it grew the application pool and made admission much more difficult.

Oh, FFS. Were you actually AT the MS Magnet meetings? They specifically SAID that this was the case. They did this on purpose. Whether you agree with it or not, or think it's a good idea, is up for debate.

It is NOT up for debate that MCPS admitted lower percentile kids from lower performing kids, in order to give them a chance at a better/more challenging learning environment.

Yes, I went to all of them, and nothing of this sort was stated. MPCS picked the most promising students based on the information they had end of story.

Then you are straight up lying. Or you simply were not paying attention.

I went to just one MS Magnet meeting and the lady came right out and said that this year, a 90%ile student at a lower performing school would have a better chance at MS Magnet admission than a 99%ile student at a higher performing school.

It’s fine if you think that is the right approach, (maybe it is?) but don’t lie about what happened.

Oh for goodness sake, you guys are talking about different things. The MIDDLE school magnets are considering cohorts. But at the elementary level CES, each neighborhood has their own school so it’s still more about scores. Potomac and Bethesda have their own CES schools, so it’s not like they’re sending poor kids from the east county to Potomac and Bethesda’s CES schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where do they get students socioeconomic status from? I don’t recall providing that info at Kindergarten orientation.

I guess you didn't apply for FARMS for your children then.