Are minorities accepted

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, URMs get in with much lower stats than whites/Asians. How is this even a question?

+1 Just go read the results for entering classes at various colleges in college confidential. Each applicants reports his or her race, credentials and whether or not they got in.

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Anonymous wrote:It is largely a myth. And depends on what college.

More relevant question: Is your child attending an under-resourced high school with a high poverty rate? Doing relatively well despite that disadvantage? Will they be the generation to go to college in your family?

A student with somewhat lower standardized test score but strong grades, outstanding rec letters may still be admitted at some more selective colleges.

PP are you white? You are a horrible parent. Why take advice from racist opinionated competing parents?? So many people say negative things with no actual experience. They refer to articles but they do not have any actual experience. Ask love black people, ask your school, use a non profit or hire a consultant. Don’t base your black child future on disappointed anxious jealous mostly poor/donut hole white/Asian parents. The people complain constantly and can’t afford college tuition. They are angry and looking for scapegoats.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see how you can say that it is huge. What this data shows is that the average black student at Harvard has scores that are in the 95th percentile or higher of all test takers (a 1400 is at the 95 percentile and this data would say that the average is 1408). Certainly that indicates that those students are strong test takers against most high school students. And of course a substantial number of the black students are higher than that. So there are a few kids who are otherwise strong applicants who get in with slightly strong test scores than other applicants, but it is not like those kids are getting in with actually low test scores.

+1 95% will do well at Harvard--any race. Discriminating against Asians based on personality is wrong. But let's not act like the gap is the same as someone at the 75% vs 99%.

actually I look at the harvard course choices from 30 years ago and those from this year, now that I am looking for my child, and I see way more "pre-AP", intro-type courses that last up to the entire first 2 years compared to those available when I was there - they have clearly made a whole new "underclass" track for getting degrees compared to the academic track that use to be there; after I saw this, I am seriously wondering if it is even worth it or desirable to send my kid there, it seems to have lost most of it "academic mojo" recently

I guess you hate the common core. Almost all the top schools right now have a core. It’s not an undertrack at all. They do not want myopic graduates like you! Be sure to not apply and make room for others. Go to Brown which is getting more structure too. By the way we had some required course in the 80s at Harvard anyway....

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see how you can say that it is huge. What this data shows is that the average black student at Harvard has scores that are in the 95th percentile or higher of all test takers (a 1400 is at the 95 percentile and this data would say that the average is 1408). Certainly that indicates that those students are strong test takers against most high school students. And of course a substantial number of the black students are higher than that. So there are a few kids who are otherwise strong applicants who get in with slightly strong test scores than other applicants, but it is not like those kids are getting in with actually low test scores.

+1 95% will do well at Harvard--any race. Discriminating against Asians based on personality is wrong. But let's not act like the gap is the same as someone at the 75% vs 99%.

actually I look at the harvard course choices from 30 years ago and those from this year, now that I am looking for my child, and I see way more "pre-AP", intro-type courses that last up to the entire first 2 years compared to those available when I was there - they have clearly made a whole new "underclass" track for getting degrees compared to the academic track that use to be there; after I saw this, I am seriously wondering if it is even worth it or desirable to send my kid there, it seems to have lost most of it "academic mojo" recently

I guess you hate the common core. Almost all the top schools right now have a core. It’s not an undertrack at all. They do not want myopic graduates like you! Be sure to not apply and make room for others. Go to Brown which is getting more structure too. By the way we had some required course in the 80s at Harvard anyway....

I wasn't talking about the core curriculum (ie the distribution requirements), I was talking about the core sequence of courses required for a physical sciences major.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/students-were-advised-to-claim-to-be-minorities-in-college-admissions-scandal-11558171800?mod=rsswn
It's quite obvious, yes being a minority gives a huge advantage.
A lot of "regressives" will play mental gymnastics about it but in the end, the boost is readily apparent and everyone sees it.

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You often see news reports on Black or Hispanic are admitted by all Ivy leagues but you never heard a single Asian or white student reached that number. In a local magnet school, top ivys pass Asian students with national level awards in STEM but accept Hispanic or Black students with solid acadamic but didnt take the most rigorous classes offered by the school. By the way, those kids are from UMC families with well educated parents.

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So many minorities get accepted, it’s amazing there are still white students on campuses!

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Anonymous wrote:You often see news reports on Black or Hispanic are admitted by all Ivy leagues but you never heard a single Asian or white student reached that number. In a local magnet school, top ivys pass Asian students with national level awards in STEM but accept Hispanic or Black students with solid acadamic but didnt take the most rigorous classes offered by the school. By the way, those kids are from UMC families with well educated parents.

I have seen Asian and white students getting into all Ivies and the like. Maybe you have a reading bias.

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Anonymous wrote:You often see news reports on Black or Hispanic are admitted by all Ivy leagues but you never heard a single Asian or white student reached that number. In a local magnet school, top ivys pass Asian students with national level awards in STEM but accept Hispanic or Black students with solid acadamic but didnt take the most rigorous classes offered by the school. By the way, those kids are from UMC families with well educated parents.

I have seen Asian and white students getting into all Ivies and the like. Maybe you have a reading bias.

DP. I think we can all agree that it’s idiotic to apply to all 8 ivies. Obviously the media is going to focus on URMs being accepted to all 8.

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Anonymous wrote:You often see news reports on Black or Hispanic are admitted by all Ivy leagues but you never heard a single Asian or white student reached that number. In a local magnet school, top ivys pass Asian students with national level awards in STEM but accept Hispanic or Black students with solid acadamic but didnt take the most rigorous classes offered by the school. By the way, those kids are from UMC families with well educated parents.

This is NOT universally true, far more poor and first-gen URMs than upper-middle class ones.

Signed - URM parent with a kid at an IVY

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, URMs get in with much lower stats than whites/Asians. How is this even a question?

+1 Just go read the results for entering classes at various colleges in college confidential. Each applicants reports his or her race, credentials and whether or not they got in.

Where do students list their acceptances on the website? Do they list "Harvard" and students reply with their stats?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, URMs get in with much lower stats than whites/Asians. How is this even a question?

+1 Just go read the results for entering classes at various colleges in college confidential. Each applicants reports his or her race, credentials and whether or not they got in.

Where do students list their acceptances on the website? Do they list "Harvard" and students reply with their stats?

Go to Collegeconfidential.com. In upper right hand corner insert name of college and year, so you might want to enter "University of Virginia, class of 2023". There might be two threads running - one for those applying for EA 2023, and those applying RD 2023. On the day that the decisions come out, students who have been reading the sections regarding particular schools do the courtesy of leaving a detailed accounting of their applications, strengths and weaknesses, school (high performing/not), GPA, ECs and race. Sometimes the students leave an enormous amount of information, including an analysis of why or why not they got in. It's very helpful to get a handle on what the school is looking for and what it is not. When I was reading the returns for Princeton and other Ivies, a number of Asian American students would post extraordinary scores, 15 APs, ECs, national merit stats, etc., and then post at the end: "did not get in; Asian prejudice is real". Many students are brutally honest and very self-reflective - they will say that their essays were not good. Or they will say their test scores were not high enough. Some will just say they are baffled at the result. But it is all very helpful if you are a parent or student looking at chances for getting in the following year. Students also play "chance me" and provide their stats and anonymous students or others at that university will try to guestimate their chances of getting in. It's usually a very supportive board and kind.

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Our daughter was born in China, is 100% ethnically Chinese and was adopted bus (a white couple) when she was one year old. Being Asian (or white) and a female is not very advantageous nowadays. She’s listing herself as “bi-racial” to try and level the playing field.

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This cannot be real

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Anonymous wrote:Our daughter was born in China, is 100% ethnically Chinese and was adopted bus (a white couple) when she was one year old. Being Asian (or white) and a female is not very advantageous nowadays. She’s listing herself as “bi-racial” to try and level the playing field.

Just FYI, Chinese are not URM (underrepresented minorities) in college admissions, but they are definitely URMs in the corporate world. That's another story.