Average cost for Travel

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's see 2000$ (average) 13 players = 26,000$ For 3 teams lets say (Red,white,blue) = 78,000

That's 78,000$ now U9-U16 = 624,000$ !!!! Now that's just the boys side..

Should we multiply that number times 2 for the girls???

You forgot Rec and the extra camps like Summer and Winter camp...

Futsal extra training like dribbling and striker clinics

LOL. OK, now divide by all the coaches and staff for that example club. The numbers shrink back down.

$624,000 x2= $1,248,000. This is from 6 teams (boys and girls). On average, a coach coaches 2 teams so they will need 3 coaches to coach these teams. As someone indicated on this thread, coaches are paid around $50,000 so three coaches will be paid $150,000 total. $1,248,000-150,000=$1,098,000. So after, the club paid the coaches, it gets to keep $1,098,000. Let's say they spend $98,000 on fields rentals and league fees, which is probably too high for just six teams. This still leaves $1,000,000 unaccounted. If the club runs U9 through U19 travel program, you can multiply this number by 10, so you would have around $10 million sitting around unaccounted somewhere. I have no problem if a club invests extra money and buys soccer fields/facilities that improve the kids experience, but otherwise, not all clubs do so.

[Anonymous]

FPYCparent wrote:For DD's U11 NCSL Division 1 girls team, our costs are going to remain the same for the U12 year. $1700 includes all team/club/futsal/tournament fees plus an additional $100 for a new uniform. I have no idea if the costs are the same for the other teams (all NCSL) in the club.

Copying this from a post I made here a few weeks ago …

Fees for the U11 year were $250 registration (with the club; due in July time frame). The remaining fees were $150 deposit, $300, $500, and $500 (due approx. Aug. 15, Sept. 1, Oct. 1, and Nov. 1, respectively). We just got a new uniform set for our player (two jerseys, one pair of shorts, one pair of socks) for $100. ... This year, optional (weekly) goalkeeper training was added for all interested players (at no additional cost).

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DD's coach may recommend outside training for players, but it's not required. Many of our players have completed at least one HP Elite offering ($200-ish per 6/7-week session; DD did two sessions during the winter). I've also signed up DD for a week-long, goalkeeper-focused camp with Soccer Academy this summer at a 50% discount for early sign-up. Paid $135 for the week, Mon-Fri 9AM - 3:30PM.

FPYC is one of the clubs with a more reasonable price structure.

[Anonymous]

FPYCparent wrote:For DD's U11 NCSL Division 1 girls team, our costs are going to remain the same for the U12 year. $1700 includes all team/club/futsal/tournament fees plus an additional $100 for a new uniform. I have no idea if the costs are the same for the other teams (all NCSL) in the club.

Copying this from a post I made here a few weeks ago …

Fees for the U11 year were $250 registration (with the club; due in July time frame). The remaining fees were $150 deposit, $300, $500, and $500 (due approx. Aug. 15, Sept. 1, Oct. 1, and Nov. 1, respectively). We just got a new uniform set for our player (two jerseys, one pair of shorts, one pair of socks) for $100. ... This year, optional (weekly) goalkeeper training was added for all interested players (at no additional cost).

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DD's coach may recommend outside training for players, but it's not required. Many of our players have completed at least one HP Elite offering ($200-ish per 6/7-week session; DD did two sessions during the winter). I've also signed up DD for a week-long, goalkeeper-focused camp with Soccer Academy this summer at a 50% discount for early sign-up. Paid $135 for the week, Mon-Fri 9AM - 3:30PM.

That's a really good price. What was your experience with HP ELITE? Did the FPYC U11 girls seem to advance alot by taking that clinic?

[Anonymous]

How is FPYC season going? How was try outs? What tournaments does the team participate in? Do they win tournaments? Asking for my DD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is FPYC season going? How was try outs? What tournaments does the team participate in? Do they win tournaments? Asking for my DD

FPYC U11 is in the Virginian which they might win since not one good team signed up. The strongest team in the top bracket is Arlington blue, FPYC is a low club nothing like Mclean, Arlington, Loudoun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's see 2000$ (average) 13 players = 26,000$ For 3 teams lets say (Red,white,blue) = 78,000

That's 78,000$ now U9-U16 = 624,000$ !!!! Now that's just the boys side..

Should we multiply that number times 2 for the girls???

You forgot Rec and the extra camps like Summer and Winter camp...

Futsal extra training like dribbling and striker clinics

LOL. OK, now divide by all the coaches and staff for that example club. The numbers shrink back down.

$624,000 x2= $1,248,000. This is from 6 teams (boys and girls). On average, a coach coaches 2 teams so they will need 3 coaches to coach these teams. As someone indicated on this thread, coaches are paid around $50,000 so three coaches will be paid $150,000 total. $1,248,000-150,000=$1,098,000. So after, the club paid the coaches, it gets to keep $1,098,000. Let's say they spend $98,000 on fields rentals and league fees, which is probably too high for just six teams. This still leaves $1,000,000 unaccounted. If the club runs U9 through U19 travel program, you can multiply this number by 10, so you would have around $10 million sitting around unaccounted somewhere. I have no problem if a club invests extra money and buys soccer fields/facilities that improve the kids experience, but otherwise, not all clubs do so.

624k is 3 teams in each age bracket for one gender from u9-u16. 1 entire age bracket does does not generate 624k. What club pays 50k for 2 teams. Please let me know so I can sign up. I know coaches with mid-high level licenses at large clubs that make between 10-15 per team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's see 2000$ (average) 13 players = 26,000$ For 3 teams lets say (Red,white,blue) = 78,000

That's 78,000$ now U9-U16 = 624,000$ !!!! Now that's just the boys side..

Should we multiply that number times 2 for the girls???

You forgot Rec and the extra camps like Summer and Winter camp...

Futsal extra training like dribbling and striker clinics

LOL. OK, now divide by all the coaches and staff for that example club. The numbers shrink back down.

$624,000 x2= $1,248,000. This is from 6 teams (boys and girls). On average, a coach coaches 2 teams so they will need 3 coaches to coach these teams. As someone indicated on this thread, coaches are paid around $50,000 so three coaches will be paid $150,000 total. $1,248,000-150,000=$1,098,000. So after, the club paid the coaches, it gets to keep $1,098,000. Let's say they spend $98,000 on fields rentals and league fees, which is probably too high for just six teams. This still leaves $1,000,000 unaccounted. If the club runs U9 through U19 travel program, you can multiply this number by 10, so you would have around $10 million sitting around unaccounted somewhere. I have no problem if a club invests extra money and buys soccer fields/facilities that improve the kids experience, but otherwise, not all clubs do so.

You have problems in other areas, not as apparent as in math.

$78000 is ready for U9-U16, then you mutiply by 10..
" If the club runs U9 through U19 travel program, you can multiply this number by 10, "

And so many teams only have 3 coaches...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is FPYC season going? How was try outs? What tournaments does the team participate in? Do they win tournaments? Asking for my DD

FPYC U11 is in the Virginian which they might win since not one good team signed up. The strongest team in the top bracket is Arlington blue, FPYC is a low club nothing like Mclean, Arlington, Loudoun.

Excuse me? Herndon is in the top bracket who is coached by TF the U11 Girls have been beating everyone at CCL

[Anonymous]

People arguing that clubs and coaches are raking in the benjamins like Warren Buffet have me ROFL. It's a low margin business across the board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's see 2000$ (average) 13 players = 26,000$ For 3 teams lets say (Red,white,blue) = 78,000

That's 78,000$ now U9-U16 = 624,000$ !!!! Now that's just the boys side..

Should we multiply that number times 2 for the girls???

You forgot Rec and the extra camps like Summer and Winter camp...

Futsal extra training like dribbling and striker clinics

LOL. OK, now divide by all the coaches and staff for that example club. The numbers shrink back down.

$624,000 x2= $1,248,000. This is from 6 teams (boys and girls). On average, a coach coaches 2 teams so they will need 3 coaches to coach these teams. As someone indicated on this thread, coaches are paid around $50,000 so three coaches will be paid $150,000 total. $1,248,000-150,000=$1,098,000. So after, the club paid the coaches, it gets to keep $1,098,000. Let's say they spend $98,000 on fields rentals and league fees, which is probably too high for just six teams. This still leaves $1,000,000 unaccounted. If the club runs U9 through U19 travel program, you can multiply this number by 10, so you would have around $10 million sitting around unaccounted somewhere. I have no problem if a club invests extra money and buys soccer fields/facilities that improve the kids experience, but otherwise, not all clubs do so.

You have problems in other areas, not as apparent as in math.

$78000 is ready for U9-U16, then you mutiply by 10..
" If the club runs U9 through U19 travel program, you can multiply this number by 10, "

And so many teams only have 3 coaches...

You are not multiplying the net number for one age group, $1 million is the number where the cost of coaching and fields was already deducted. You can alternatively multiply, $1,248,000 by 10 and then deduct the salaries of 30 coaches and cost of fields (around $2.4 mil.), if you prefer. The result is the same. We can quibble a little about how much the coaches paid, but in the grand scheme of things there are little details that don't change the fact that millions of $$$$$ are not accounted for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe that our price is similar for DC Stoddert. The third practice per week for the A team is paid for separately (the other teams have two per week) in addition to the general price, so in our case at least, the B and C teams are not subsidizing the A team. Hard to believe that anyone would get away with that, but maybe some clubs aren’t transparent about what’s covered. Tournament fees (not hotels), three-season practices, and CCL league fees are included. I think there is also free GK training.

What year is this for? For 2009 boys, the Stoddert annual fee next year will be $2950 (for three seasons, league fees, and tournaments, as you said, but not uniforms or travel). The Friday practice is mandatory for blue team and optional for red and white, but the fee is the same for everyone. I vaguely remember something about GK training during the winter; don't recall if it was free.

[Anonymous]

3800 in fees. Doesn’t include uniform, all our families travel or tournaments.

[Anonymous]

Potomac soccer = $2300 for EDP and CCL2 play, 2-3 practices per week (same price whether 3rd is mandatory or optional,) 4 tournaments

[Anonymous]

Included:

Costs Included in Annual Player Fees:
· Club Dues
· MSYSA Registration and/or US Club Registration (includes player insurance)
· Fall and Spring Practice Sessions: Two sessions per week
· Winter Practice Sessions: One practice session per week and an indoor league or two practices per week (varies by age)
· Technical Director, Director(s) of Coaching and Administrative Support
· USSF coaching fees
· Coaching education
· League Fees
· Event Fees
· Game Fields
· Free Play sessions for U8-U12
· Goalkeeper Training
· Striker Training
· SAQ Training: specialized training for all players
· Academy Night Training: club training for U13 and up
· Age appropriate training curriculum established by USSF focusing on long-term player development
· Formal player evaluations
· College advisory and support for U16 and up
· Administrative support and training from office staff to all coaches, managers and volunteers to assist with the successful functioning of each team

Fee does not include, required player uniform kit (two jerseys, two shorts, two socks, two training tops, warm ups, bag and/or Goalkeeper Jerseys, shorts), players travel related costs or coaches travel related costs (varies by league/age). Additional costs may include but are not limited to, tournament travel, additional practice fields, additional league costs, leadership training, individual training, camps, clinics and international travel.

May be helpful to those speculating about budgets and whatnot

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People arguing that clubs and coaches are raking in the benjamins like Warren Buffet have me ROFL. It's a low margin business across the board.

Yep, former board chair of a large local club here. I'd say zero-margin or even negative margin. The hardest part of my job was explaining to parents (and even some knuckle-headed board members) that our only source of revenues was fees and the fees barely cover the cost of the program. Biggest expense is salaries, and no one is well paid compared to the non-soccer world. Second biggest expense is fields, a surprising number of otherwise intelligent people think that fields just magically appear.

The reason there is so much churn is that youth soccer is fundamentally a barrel-bottom-scraping business.