The Mueller Report

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Mueller chose to not subpoena Trump because it would delay the investigation and they already had plenty of evidence.

This suggests that Mueller wanted to end the investigation so it could be sent to Congress since they are the ones with the power to act against Trump.


Or....
This suggests that he found there was no collusion or conspiracy, so why continue the investigation?



This is not what is in the report. There is tons of evidence.


LOL. Still pushing the narrative, we see.
Sorry you didn't get your fondest wish - a reason to push for impeachment.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:JFC, page 1. There were numerous links between the Campaign and Russia. Both sides thought they would benefit but they didn't coordinate the effort.


So John Oliver was right: this IS stupid Watergate.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Key paragraph regarding why Mueller could not exonerate Trump



Here is the thing. This is just restating the presumption of innocence. Trump does not need to prove himself innocent any more than anyone else does. Prosecutors make the call about whether to charge with a crime if they see enough evidence to support that. Here, Mueller did not recommend that. Prosecutors do not decide if someone is innocent. Under our laws, they are presumed innocent.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:JFC, page 1. There were numerous links between the Campaign and Russia. Both sides thought they would benefit but they didn't coordinate the effort.


So John Oliver was right: this IS stupid Watergate.


Not quite. Report also states that a number of witnesses invoked the 5th and were not offered immunity and that conversations on things like WhatsApp, in addition to communications that were deleted.
Anonymous
In the cigar bar meeting in August 2016 Manafort, Gates and Kilimnik discussed the Trump campaign "messaging and its internal polling. According to Gates, it also included discussion of 'battleground" states,' which Manafort identified as Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota"

How CONVENIENT that Trump won 3 of those 4 states.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:In the cigar bar meeting in August 2016 Manafort, Gates and Kilimnik discussed the Trump campaign "messaging and its internal polling. According to Gates, it also included discussion of 'battleground" states,' which Manafort identified as Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota"

How CONVENIENT that Trump won 3 of those 4 states.



OR it could be that HRC didn't even try in those states. As she has herself acknowledged.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Mueller chose to not subpoena Trump because it would delay the investigation and they already had plenty of evidence.

This suggests that Mueller wanted to end the investigation so it could be sent to Congress since they are the ones with the power to act against Trump.


Or....
This suggests that he found there was no collusion or conspiracy, so why continue the investigation?



This is not what is in the report. There is tons of evidence.


LOL. Still pushing the narrative, we see.
Sorry you didn't get your fondest wish - a reason to push for impeachment.



Lol! If there was no crime, why did everyone lie? Why did folks go to jail for lying about it?!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:JFC, page 1. There were numerous links between the Campaign and Russia. Both sides thought they would benefit but they didn't coordinate the effort.


Rather it was not possible to establish that they coordinated, given the evidence available, which was limited by privilege, by actual destruction of evidence, etc.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:JFC, page 1. There were numerous links between the Campaign and Russia. Both sides thought they would benefit but they didn't coordinate the effort.


Rather it was not possible to establish that they coordinated, given the evidence available, which was limited by privilege, by actual destruction of evidence, etc.


And note also, even that is limited to coordination with officials of the Russian govt.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In the cigar bar meeting in August 2016 Manafort, Gates and Kilimnik discussed the Trump campaign "messaging and its internal polling. According to Gates, it also included discussion of 'battleground" states,' which Manafort identified as Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota"

How CONVENIENT that Trump won 3 of those 4 states.



OR it could be that HRC didn't even try in those states. As she has herself acknowledged.


Because no poll showed Trump ahead or even close in those states in August 2016 - funny that they focused on those states, isn't?
Also funny that Manafort was willing to go to jail rather than tell the truth about that meeting.

Anonymous
Time after time Trump demanded that his officials do something illegal, and because they had more integrety than he does -- even LEWANDOWSKI!!! -- they refused to carry out his orders, thereby saving their own skins from future prosecution for obstruction of justice.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:In the cigar bar meeting in August 2016 Manafort, Gates and Kilimnik discussed the Trump campaign "messaging and its internal polling. According to Gates, it also included discussion of 'battleground" states,' which Manafort identified as Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota"

How CONVENIENT that Trump won 3 of those 4 states.



And?
Anonymous
Key sentence, Page 2 (or 10 of PDF) : "A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean that there was no evidence of those facts."

Congress must act!
Anonymous
There's a ton of "Harm to Ongoing Matter" blacked out.
Anonymous
Trump tried to get Hillary's private emails:

President Trump pushed for obtaining Democratic rival Hillary Clinton’s private emails, and his campaign was in touch with allies who were pursuing them, according to the redacted special counsel’s report released Thursday.

On July 27, 2016, Trump famously said at a campaign rally, “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” referring to emails that Clinton said she had deleted from her private server. She had used a private account during her tenure as secretary of state.

Trump also “made this request repeatedly” during the campaign, former national security adviser Michael Flynn told special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation. Flynn “contacted multiple people in an effort to obtain the emails,” including Peter Smith, a longtime Republican operative, and Barbara Ledeen, a Republican Senate staffer who herself had previously tried to find the emails. Ledeen, at the time, worked for Sen. Charles E. Grassley on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Months earlier, Ledeen had written to Smith that Clinton’s server had likely been breached long ago and that “the Chinese, Russian, and Iranian intelligence services could ‘reassemble the server’s email content.’”

After Trump’s July comments about Russia, Smith launched his own effort to find the missing emails.

“He created a company, raised tens of thousands of dollars, and recruited security experts and business associates,” the investigation found. Smith also claimed “he was in contact with hackers ‘with ties and affiliations to Russia’ who had access to the emails, and that his efforts were coordinated with the Trump campaign,” but the special counsel could not establish if that was true.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/trump-campaign-attempted-to-obtain-hillary-clintons-private-emails/2019/04/18/73a70466-61f1-11e9-bfad-36a7eb36cb60_story.html?utm_term=.df6b5d3dd0ee
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