Boundary review can’t come soon enough

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Anonymous wrote:I like that way of looking at the possibilities. It’s an easy decision that people will disagree with based on proximity ie segregation.

It is because of the perceived "segregation" in Upper NW that the politicians are never going to narrow the boundaries around Deal and Wilson. This reality means that any "Boundary Review" process will be a puppet show with a lot of noise but no action.

The overcrowding problem at Deal and Wilson won't be fixed because it can't be fixed in the real world that we live in.

I don't know why you put segregation in scare quotes. The city is profoundly residentially segregated. Even if it is no longer explicit government policy, it exists. Residential segregation means the schools are segregated.

The schools in upper NW are actually fairly diverse. It's at the low income areas of the city that the schools are not diverse. I don't think "segregation" is the right word for this situation.

Oh let me guess, European diversity right? Compare those “diversity” numbers with overall population of DC public anxious and say that with a straight face. White kids in DC public are like 10%, but 70% in WOTP. Those gaps aren’t nearly as wide in the “lower income” schools. Even if they have 0% white, it’s only a 10% gap vs a 60-70% gap. But you keep thinking you’re in a diverse suburban utopia.

We're getting a bit off-topic, but just to put reality on the table: Alice Deal middle is 48% white. Hardy middle is 20% white. Wilson is 34% white.
What in the world are you talking about?

Probably the lack of racial diversity at the elementary school level in the upper NW schools.

DP, but I thought it was clear elementary was being referenced. Most are not very racially diverse, especially in the lower grades.

Another DP - The two NW elementary schools my kids have gone to are wonderfully diverse in terms of having children from all sorts of racial, ethnic, and national backgrounds.

However, to some people in DC, “diverse” does not mean *actually* diverse, but instead means majority AA.

This. I see a lot of posters incorrectly identifying their majority low income AA school as diverse. That's actually not diverse at all. Deal and Wilson would still be extremely diverse even if the OOB feeder program ended. It's just that it would also serve a decent amount of white people which a lot of our politicians and constituents wouldn't abide. It's a shame because this paradigm is keeping DCPS from improving its schools to acceptable levels. For example, keeping the OOB feeder program which is hurting Deal and Wilson, sending Brent and Maury kids to Jefferson instead of SH, etc. First get most of the schools up to acceptable performance levels, then tinker with boundaries for diversity if needed. SH could be a much better school if Brent and Maury fed to it, but they're perceived as too wealthy & white. It would also help the large POC population at SH but instead it's more important to ensure that a some white kids DON'T get something. Also, much of DC seems to view diversity as black vs white. There are lots of types of diversity.

I'm beginning to believe DC won't ever get its act together because of these political issues.

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Anonymous wrote:I like that way of looking at the possibilities. It’s an easy decision that people will disagree with based on proximity ie segregation.

It is because of the perceived "segregation" in Upper NW that the politicians are never going to narrow the boundaries around Deal and Wilson. This reality means that any "Boundary Review" process will be a puppet show with a lot of noise but no action.

The overcrowding problem at Deal and Wilson won't be fixed because it can't be fixed in the real world that we live in.

I don't know why you put segregation in scare quotes. The city is profoundly residentially segregated. Even if it is no longer explicit government policy, it exists. Residential segregation means the schools are segregated.

The schools in upper NW are actually fairly diverse. It's at the low income areas of the city that the schools are not diverse. I don't think "segregation" is the right word for this situation.

Oh let me guess, European diversity right? Compare those “diversity” numbers with overall population of DC public anxious and say that with a straight face. White kids in DC public are like 10%, but 70% in WOTP. Those gaps aren’t nearly as wide in the “lower income” schools. Even if they have 0% white, it’s only a 10% gap vs a 60-70% gap. But you keep thinking you’re in a diverse suburban utopia.

We're getting a bit off-topic, but just to put reality on the table: Alice Deal middle is 48% white. Hardy middle is 20% white. Wilson is 34% white.
What in the world are you talking about?

Probably the lack of racial diversity at the elementary school level in the upper NW schools.

DP, but I thought it was clear elementary was being referenced. Most are not very racially diverse, especially in the lower grades.

Another DP - The two NW elementary schools my kids have gone to are wonderfully diverse in terms of having children from all sorts of racial, ethnic, and national backgrounds.

However, to some people in DC, “diverse” does not mean *actually* diverse, but instead means majority AA.

This. I see a lot of posters incorrectly identifying their majority low income AA school as diverse. That's actually not diverse at all. Deal and Wilson would still be extremely diverse even if the OOB feeder program ended. It's just that it would also serve a decent amount of white people which a lot of our politicians and constituents wouldn't abide. It's a shame because this paradigm is keeping DCPS from improving its schools to acceptable levels. For example, keeping the OOB feeder program which is hurting Deal and Wilson, sending Brent and Maury kids to Jefferson instead of SH, etc. First get most of the schools up to acceptable performance levels, then tinker with boundaries for diversity if needed. SH could be a much better school if Brent and Maury fed to it, but they're perceived as too wealthy & white. It would also help the large POC population at SH but instead it's more important to ensure that a some white kids DON'T get something. Also, much of DC seems to view diversity as black vs white. There are lots of types of diversity.

I'm beginning to believe DC won't ever get its act together because of these political issues.

You’re living in dreamland. Why should Maury feed to Stuart Hobson when it’s the furthest away of all the CH-area schools?

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Anonymous wrote:I like that way of looking at the possibilities. It’s an easy decision that people will disagree with based on proximity ie segregation.

It is because of the perceived "segregation" in Upper NW that the politicians are never going to narrow the boundaries around Deal and Wilson. This reality means that any "Boundary Review" process will be a puppet show with a lot of noise but no action.

The overcrowding problem at Deal and Wilson won't be fixed because it can't be fixed in the real world that we live in.

I don't know why you put segregation in scare quotes. The city is profoundly residentially segregated. Even if it is no longer explicit government policy, it exists. Residential segregation means the schools are segregated.

The schools in upper NW are actually fairly diverse. It's at the low income areas of the city that the schools are not diverse. I don't think "segregation" is the right word for this situation.

Oh let me guess, European diversity right? Compare those “diversity” numbers with overall population of DC public anxious and say that with a straight face. White kids in DC public are like 10%, but 70% in WOTP. Those gaps aren’t nearly as wide in the “lower income” schools. Even if they have 0% white, it’s only a 10% gap vs a 60-70% gap. But you keep thinking you’re in a diverse suburban utopia.

We're getting a bit off-topic, but just to put reality on the table: Alice Deal middle is 48% white. Hardy middle is 20% white. Wilson is 34% white.
What in the world are you talking about?

Probably the lack of racial diversity at the elementary school level in the upper NW schools.

DP, but I thought it was clear elementary was being referenced. Most are not very racially diverse, especially in the lower grades.

Another DP - The two NW elementary schools my kids have gone to are wonderfully diverse in terms of having children from all sorts of racial, ethnic, and national backgrounds.

However, to some people in DC, “diverse” does not mean *actually* diverse, but instead means majority AA.

This. I see a lot of posters incorrectly identifying their majority low income AA school as diverse. That's actually not diverse at all. Deal and Wilson would still be extremely diverse even if the OOB feeder program ended. It's just that it would also serve a decent amount of white people which a lot of our politicians and constituents wouldn't abide. It's a shame because this paradigm is keeping DCPS from improving its schools to acceptable levels. For example, keeping the OOB feeder program which is hurting Deal and Wilson, sending Brent and Maury kids to Jefferson instead of SH, etc. First get most of the schools up to acceptable performance levels, then tinker with boundaries for diversity if needed. SH could be a much better school if Brent and Maury fed to it, but they're perceived as too wealthy & white. It would also help the large POC population at SH but instead it's more important to ensure that a some white kids DON'T get something. Also, much of DC seems to view diversity as black vs white. There are lots of types of diversity.

I'm beginning to believe DC won't ever get its act together because of these political issues.

You’re living in dreamland. Why should Maury feed to Stuart Hobson when it’s the furthest away of all the CH-area schools?

Because it’s majority white silly. You know the answer. PP is stating her white kids can save the school system if only they allowed all the who’re kids to go to school together, even if it doesn’t make sense. She is literally suggested segregated schools. Don’t worry, I’m sure she’ll be okay with setting aside 10% for at risk because it will make her feel like she’s a hero.

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If boundary is done properly many people will be assigned to new schools.

Part of the last round worked — the IB population at Hardy is way up once it was fully implemented.

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DP, but I thought it was clear elementary was being referenced. Most are not very racially diverse, especially in the lower grades.

Another DP - The two NW elementary schools my kids have gone to are wonderfully diverse in terms of having children from all sorts of racial, ethnic, and national backgrounds.

However, to some people in DC, “diverse” does not mean *actually* diverse, but instead means majority AA.

This. I see a lot of posters incorrectly identifying their majority low income AA school as diverse. That's actually not diverse at all. Deal and Wilson would still be extremely diverse even if the OOB feeder program ended. It's just that it would also serve a decent amount of white people which a lot of our politicians and constituents wouldn't abide. It's a shame because this paradigm is keeping DCPS from improving its schools to acceptable levels. For example, keeping the OOB feeder program which is hurting Deal and Wilson, sending Brent and Maury kids to Jefferson instead of SH, etc. First get most of the schools up to acceptable performance levels, then tinker with boundaries for diversity if needed. SH could be a much better school if Brent and Maury fed to it, but they're perceived as too wealthy & white. It would also help the large POC population at SH but instead it's more important to ensure that a some white kids DON'T get something. Also, much of DC seems to view diversity as black vs white. There are lots of types of diversity.

I'm beginning to believe DC won't ever get its act together because of these political issues.

I think part of the diversity that a lot of people are talking about is economic diversity. My kid was one of three white boys in his middle school class, but when the entire class is made up of children of ex-pat parents working for NGOs, lawyers, bankers and academics, it's not really meaningfully diverse.

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Anonymous wrote:I like that way of looking at the possibilities. It’s an easy decision that people will disagree with based on proximity ie segregation.

It is because of the perceived "segregation" in Upper NW that the politicians are never going to narrow the boundaries around Deal and Wilson. This reality means that any "Boundary Review" process will be a puppet show with a lot of noise but no action.

The overcrowding problem at Deal and Wilson won't be fixed because it can't be fixed in the real world that we live in.

I don't know why you put segregation in scare quotes. The city is profoundly residentially segregated. Even if it is no longer explicit government policy, it exists. Residential segregation means the schools are segregated.

The schools in upper NW are actually fairly diverse. It's at the low income areas of the city that the schools are not diverse. I don't think "segregation" is the right word for this situation.

Oh let me guess, European diversity right? Compare those “diversity” numbers with overall population of DC public anxious and say that with a straight face. White kids in DC public are like 10%, but 70% in WOTP. Those gaps aren’t nearly as wide in the “lower income” schools. Even if they have 0% white, it’s only a 10% gap vs a 60-70% gap. But you keep thinking you’re in a diverse suburban utopia.

We're getting a bit off-topic, but just to put reality on the table: Alice Deal middle is 48% white. Hardy middle is 20% white. Wilson is 34% white.
What in the world are you talking about?

Probably the lack of racial diversity at the elementary school level in the upper NW schools.

DP, but I thought it was clear elementary was being referenced. Most are not very racially diverse, especially in the lower grades.

Another DP - The two NW elementary schools my kids have gone to are wonderfully diverse in terms of having children from all sorts of racial, ethnic, and national backgrounds.

However, to some people in DC, “diverse” does not mean *actually* diverse, but instead means majority AA.

This. I see a lot of posters incorrectly identifying their majority low income AA school as diverse. That's actually not diverse at all. Deal and Wilson would still be extremely diverse even if the OOB feeder program ended. It's just that it would also serve a decent amount of white people which a lot of our politicians and constituents wouldn't abide. It's a shame because this paradigm is keeping DCPS from improving its schools to acceptable levels. For example, keeping the OOB feeder program which is hurting Deal and Wilson, sending Brent and Maury kids to Jefferson instead of SH, etc. First get most of the schools up to acceptable performance levels, then tinker with boundaries for diversity if needed. SH could be a much better school if Brent and Maury fed to it, but they're perceived as too wealthy & white. It would also help the large POC population at SH but instead it's more important to ensure that a some white kids DON'T get something. Also, much of DC seems to view diversity as black vs white. There are lots of types of diversity.

I'm beginning to believe DC won't ever get its act together because of these political issues.

You’re living in dreamland. Why should Maury feed to Stuart Hobson when it’s the furthest away of all the CH-area schools?

Because it’s majority white silly. You know the answer. PP is stating her white kids can save the school system if only they allowed all the who’re kids to go to school together, even if it doesn’t make sense. She is literally suggested segregated schools. Don’t worry, I’m sure she’ll be okay with setting aside 10% for at risk because it will make her feel like she’s a hero.

Actually I don't have kids at any of the schools I listed. Maury is a cap hill school, and should feed to SH, the cap hill middle school. SH has abysmal test scores and many of the more affluent cap hill residents avoid it. If Brent and Maury would feed to SH, then SH would improve and lots of DC kids would benefit (not just white kids). Here's an opportunity to improve a middle school, but DC won't take it. SH wouldn't become a segregated school full of only white kids. It's ridiculous to suggest that.

Unfortunately your responses are exactly what I'm talking about. It's the attitude that white and/or wealthy kids might benefit too so let's not do it, even if it would also benefit kids of other races and SES. So go ahead and keep telling people it's racist to demand high performing schools, but don't you dare say a word when DCPS and DCPCS continue to fail to deliver high performing schools. You're a big part of the problem.

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DP, but I thought it was clear elementary was being referenced. Most are not very racially diverse, especially in the lower grades.

Another DP - The two NW elementary schools my kids have gone to are wonderfully diverse in terms of having children from all sorts of racial, ethnic, and national backgrounds.

However, to some people in DC, “diverse” does not mean *actually* diverse, but instead means majority AA.

This. I see a lot of posters incorrectly identifying their majority low income AA school as diverse. That's actually not diverse at all. Deal and Wilson would still be extremely diverse even if the OOB feeder program ended. It's just that it would also serve a decent amount of white people which a lot of our politicians and constituents wouldn't abide. It's a shame because this paradigm is keeping DCPS from improving its schools to acceptable levels. For example, keeping the OOB feeder program which is hurting Deal and Wilson, sending Brent and Maury kids to Jefferson instead of SH, etc. First get most of the schools up to acceptable performance levels, then tinker with boundaries for diversity if needed. SH could be a much better school if Brent and Maury fed to it, but they're perceived as too wealthy & white. It would also help the large POC population at SH but instead it's more important to ensure that a some white kids DON'T get something. Also, much of DC seems to view diversity as black vs white. There are lots of types of diversity.

I'm beginning to believe DC won't ever get its act together because of these political issues.

I think part of the diversity that a lot of people are talking about is economic diversity. My kid was one of three white boys in his middle school class, but when the entire class is made up of children of ex-pat parents working for NGOs, lawyers, bankers and academics, it's not really meaningfully diverse.



I think the whole debate would be more accurate and productive if it were focused on economics rather than race. But when that’s suggested, people pipe up insisting that “you can’t separate race and economics in DC.” I don’t understand why not.

It seems only two categories are allowed: low-income AA and “white and wealthy,” which apparently means everyone else, whether they are Indian or Asian or low-income white or wealthy AA or whatever.

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DP, but I thought it was clear elementary was being referenced. Most are not very racially diverse, especially in the lower grades.

Another DP - The two NW elementary schools my kids have gone to are wonderfully diverse in terms of having children from all sorts of racial, ethnic, and national backgrounds.

However, to some people in DC, “diverse” does not mean *actually* diverse, but instead means majority AA.

This. I see a lot of posters incorrectly identifying their majority low income AA school as diverse. That's actually not diverse at all. Deal and Wilson would still be extremely diverse even if the OOB feeder program ended. It's just that it would also serve a decent amount of white people which a lot of our politicians and constituents wouldn't abide. It's a shame because this paradigm is keeping DCPS from improving its schools to acceptable levels. For example, keeping the OOB feeder program which is hurting Deal and Wilson, sending Brent and Maury kids to Jefferson instead of SH, etc. First get most of the schools up to acceptable performance levels, then tinker with boundaries for diversity if needed. SH could be a much better school if Brent and Maury fed to it, but they're perceived as too wealthy & white. It would also help the large POC population at SH but instead it's more important to ensure that a some white kids DON'T get something. Also, much of DC seems to view diversity as black vs white. There are lots of types of diversity.

I'm beginning to believe DC won't ever get its act together because of these political issues.

I think part of the diversity that a lot of people are talking about is economic diversity. My kid was one of three white boys in his middle school class, but when the entire class is made up of children of ex-pat parents working for NGOs, lawyers, bankers and academics, it's not really meaningfully diverse.

I think the whole debate would be more accurate and productive if it were focused on economics rather than race. But when that’s suggested, people pipe up insisting that “you can’t separate race and economics in DC.” I don’t understand why not.

It seems only two categories are allowed: low-income AA and “white and wealthy,” which apparently means everyone else, whether they are Indian or Asian or low-income white or wealthy AA or whatever.

+1.

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DP, but I thought it was clear elementary was being referenced. Most are not very racially diverse, especially in the lower grades.

Another DP - The two NW elementary schools my kids have gone to are wonderfully diverse in terms of having children from all sorts of racial, ethnic, and national backgrounds.

However, to some people in DC, “diverse” does not mean *actually* diverse, but instead means majority AA.

This. I see a lot of posters incorrectly identifying their majority low income AA school as diverse. That's actually not diverse at all. Deal and Wilson would still be extremely diverse even if the OOB feeder program ended. It's just that it would also serve a decent amount of white people which a lot of our politicians and constituents wouldn't abide. It's a shame because this paradigm is keeping DCPS from improving its schools to acceptable levels. For example, keeping the OOB feeder program which is hurting Deal and Wilson, sending Brent and Maury kids to Jefferson instead of SH, etc. First get most of the schools up to acceptable performance levels, then tinker with boundaries for diversity if needed. SH could be a much better school if Brent and Maury fed to it, but they're perceived as too wealthy & white. It would also help the large POC population at SH but instead it's more important to ensure that a some white kids DON'T get something. Also, much of DC seems to view diversity as black vs white. There are lots of types of diversity.

I'm beginning to believe DC won't ever get its act together because of these political issues.

I think part of the diversity that a lot of people are talking about is economic diversity. My kid was one of three white boys in his middle school class, but when the entire class is made up of children of ex-pat parents working for NGOs, lawyers, bankers and academics, it's not really meaningfully diverse.

I think the whole debate would be more accurate and productive if it were focused on economics rather than race. But when that’s suggested, people pipe up insisting that “you can’t separate race and economics in DC.” I don’t understand why not.

It seems only two categories are allowed: low-income AA and “white and wealthy,” which apparently means everyone else, whether they are Indian or Asian or low-income white or wealthy AA or whatever.

+1

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DP, but I thought it was clear elementary was being referenced. Most are not very racially diverse, especially in the lower grades.

Another DP - The two NW elementary schools my kids have gone to are wonderfully diverse in terms of having children from all sorts of racial, ethnic, and national backgrounds.

However, to some people in DC, “diverse” does not mean *actually* diverse, but instead means majority AA.

This. I see a lot of posters incorrectly identifying their majority low income AA school as diverse. That's actually not diverse at all. Deal and Wilson would still be extremely diverse even if the OOB feeder program ended. It's just that it would also serve a decent amount of white people which a lot of our politicians and constituents wouldn't abide. It's a shame because this paradigm is keeping DCPS from improving its schools to acceptable levels. For example, keeping the OOB feeder program which is hurting Deal and Wilson, sending Brent and Maury kids to Jefferson instead of SH, etc. First get most of the schools up to acceptable performance levels, then tinker with boundaries for diversity if needed. SH could be a much better school if Brent and Maury fed to it, but they're perceived as too wealthy & white. It would also help the large POC population at SH but instead it's more important to ensure that a some white kids DON'T get something. Also, much of DC seems to view diversity as black vs white. There are lots of types of diversity.

I'm beginning to believe DC won't ever get its act together because of these political issues.

I think part of the diversity that a lot of people are talking about is economic diversity. My kid was one of three white boys in his middle school class, but when the entire class is made up of children of ex-pat parents working for NGOs, lawyers, bankers and academics, it's not really meaningfully diverse.

I think the whole debate would be more accurate and productive if it were focused on economics rather than race. But when that’s suggested, people pipe up insisting that “you can’t separate race and economics in DC.” I don’t understand why not.

It seems only two categories are allowed: low-income AA and “white and wealthy,” which apparently means everyone else, whether they are Indian or Asian or low-income white or wealthy AA or whatever.

+1

PP here who tried to +1 your quote. This is one reason why lots of UMC AA either move out of DC or do privates. They have no qualms stating that DCPS and DCPCS aren't good enough and they don't want their AA kids typecast as lower income AA. It's a given that many UC AA would choose privates like their UC counterparts of other races, but we're losing a lot of UMC AA too.

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Anonymous wrote:I like that way of looking at the possibilities. It’s an easy decision that people will disagree with based on proximity ie segregation.

It is because of the perceived "segregation" in Upper NW that the politicians are never going to narrow the boundaries around Deal and Wilson. This reality means that any "Boundary Review" process will be a puppet show with a lot of noise but no action.

The overcrowding problem at Deal and Wilson won't be fixed because it can't be fixed in the real world that we live in.

I don't know why you put segregation in scare quotes. The city is profoundly residentially segregated. Even if it is no longer explicit government policy, it exists. Residential segregation means the schools are segregated.

The schools in upper NW are actually fairly diverse. It's at the low income areas of the city that the schools are not diverse. I don't think "segregation" is the right word for this situation.

Oh let me guess, European diversity right? Compare those “diversity” numbers with overall population of DC public anxious and say that with a straight face. White kids in DC public are like 10%, but 70% in WOTP. Those gaps aren’t nearly as wide in the “lower income” schools. Even if they have 0% white, it’s only a 10% gap vs a 60-70% gap. But you keep thinking you’re in a diverse suburban utopia.

We're getting a bit off-topic, but just to put reality on the table: Alice Deal middle is 48% white. Hardy middle is 20% white. Wilson is 34% white.
What in the world are you talking about?

Probably the lack of racial diversity at the elementary school level in the upper NW schools.

DP, but I thought it was clear elementary was being referenced. Most are not very racially diverse, especially in the lower grades.

Another DP - The two NW elementary schools my kids have gone to are wonderfully diverse in terms of having children from all sorts of racial, ethnic, and national backgrounds.

However, to some people in DC, “diverse” does not mean *actually* diverse, but instead means majority AA.

This. I see a lot of posters incorrectly identifying their majority low income AA school as diverse. That's actually not diverse at all. Deal and Wilson would still be extremely diverse even if the OOB feeder program ended. It's just that it would also serve a decent amount of white people which a lot of our politicians and constituents wouldn't abide. It's a shame because this paradigm is keeping DCPS from improving its schools to acceptable levels. For example, keeping the OOB feeder program which is hurting Deal and Wilson, sending Brent and Maury kids to Jefferson instead of SH, etc. First get most of the schools up to acceptable performance levels, then tinker with boundaries for diversity if needed. SH could be a much better school if Brent and Maury fed to it, but they're perceived as too wealthy & white. It would also help the large POC population at SH but instead it's more important to ensure that a some white kids DON'T get something. Also, much of DC seems to view diversity as black vs white. There are lots of types of diversity.

I'm beginning to believe DC won't ever get its act together because of these political issues.

You’re living in dreamland. Why should Maury feed to Stuart Hobson when it’s the furthest away of all the CH-area schools?

Because it’s majority white silly. You know the answer. PP is stating her white kids can save the school system if only they allowed all the who’re kids to go to school together, even if it doesn’t make sense. She is literally suggested segregated schools. Don’t worry, I’m sure she’ll be okay with setting aside 10% for at risk because it will make her feel like she’s a hero.

Actually I don't have kids at any of the schools I listed. Maury is a cap hill school, and should feed to SH, the cap hill middle school. SH has abysmal test scores and many of the more affluent cap hill residents avoid it. If Brent and Maury would feed to SH, then SH would improve and lots of DC kids would benefit (not just white kids). Here's an opportunity to improve a middle school, but DC won't take it. SH wouldn't become a segregated school full of only white kids. It's ridiculous to suggest that.

Unfortunately your responses are exactly what I'm talking about. It's the attitude that white and/or wealthy kids might benefit too so let's not do it, even if it would also benefit kids of other races and SES. So go ahead and keep telling people it's racist to demand high performing schools, but don't you dare say a word when DCPS and DCPCS continue to fail to deliver high performing schools. You're a big part of the problem.

Again - explain why Maury should attend SH over Tyler, Miner and Payne, all of which are closer to Stuart Hobson? Why not just sent Maury to Deal and kick Shepherd out?

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Anonymous wrote:If everyone living in the Deal boundary would start caring about other schools and demanding improvements, the problem would be solved. But they don't, so they're stuck with the crowding.

This ^^ Many in Deal IB community think the answer lies in restricting OOB enrollment but they can barely handle capacity from IB growth projections.

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Anonymous wrote:I like that way of looking at the possibilities. It’s an easy decision that people will disagree with based on proximity ie segregation.

It is because of the perceived "segregation" in Upper NW that the politicians are never going to narrow the boundaries around Deal and Wilson. This reality means that any "Boundary Review" process will be a puppet show with a lot of noise but no action.

The overcrowding problem at Deal and Wilson won't be fixed because it can't be fixed in the real world that we live in.

I don't know why you put segregation in scare quotes. The city is profoundly residentially segregated. Even if it is no longer explicit government policy, it exists. Residential segregation means the schools are segregated.

The schools in upper NW are actually fairly diverse. It's at the low income areas of the city that the schools are not diverse. I don't think "segregation" is the right word for this situation.

Oh let me guess, European diversity right? Compare those “diversity” numbers with overall population of DC public anxious and say that with a straight face. White kids in DC public are like 10%, but 70% in WOTP. Those gaps aren’t nearly as wide in the “lower income” schools. Even if they have 0% white, it’s only a 10% gap vs a 60-70% gap. But you keep thinking you’re in a diverse suburban utopia.

We're getting a bit off-topic, but just to put reality on the table: Alice Deal middle is 48% white. Hardy middle is 20% white. Wilson is 34% white.
What in the world are you talking about?

Probably the lack of racial diversity at the elementary school level in the upper NW schools.

DP, but I thought it was clear elementary was being referenced. Most are not very racially diverse, especially in the lower grades.

Another DP - The two NW elementary schools my kids have gone to are wonderfully diverse in terms of having children from all sorts of racial, ethnic, and national backgrounds.

However, to some people in DC, “diverse” does not mean *actually* diverse, but instead means majority AA.

This. I see a lot of posters incorrectly identifying their majority low income AA school as diverse. That's actually not diverse at all. Deal and Wilson would still be extremely diverse even if the OOB feeder program ended. It's just that it would also serve a decent amount of white people which a lot of our politicians and constituents wouldn't abide. It's a shame because this paradigm is keeping DCPS from improving its schools to acceptable levels. For example, keeping the OOB feeder program which is hurting Deal and Wilson, sending Brent and Maury kids to Jefferson instead of SH, etc. First get most of the schools up to acceptable performance levels, then tinker with boundaries for diversity if needed. SH could be a much better school if Brent and Maury fed to it, but they're perceived as too wealthy & white. It would also help the large POC population at SH but instead it's more important to ensure that a some white kids DON'T get something. Also, much of DC seems to view diversity as black vs white. There are lots of types of diversity.

I'm beginning to believe DC won't ever get its act together because of these political issues.

You’re living in dreamland. Why should Maury feed to Stuart Hobson when it’s the furthest away of all the CH-area schools?

Because it’s majority white silly. You know the answer. PP is stating her white kids can save the school system if only they allowed all the who’re kids to go to school together, even if it doesn’t make sense. She is literally suggested segregated schools. Don’t worry, I’m sure she’ll be okay with setting aside 10% for at risk because it will make her feel like she’s a hero.

Actually I don't have kids at any of the schools I listed. Maury is a cap hill school, and should feed to SH, the cap hill middle school. SH has abysmal test scores and many of the more affluent cap hill residents avoid it. If Brent and Maury would feed to SH, then SH would improve and lots of DC kids would benefit (not just white kids). Here's an opportunity to improve a middle school, but DC won't take it. SH wouldn't become a segregated school full of only white kids. It's ridiculous to suggest that.

Unfortunately your responses are exactly what I'm talking about. It's the attitude that white and/or wealthy kids might benefit too so let's not do it, even if it would also benefit kids of other races and SES. So go ahead and keep telling people it's racist to demand high performing schools, but don't you dare say a word when DCPS and DCPCS continue to fail to deliver high performing schools. You're a big part of the problem.

Again - explain why Maury should attend SH over Tyler, Miner and Payne, all of which are closer to Stuart Hobson? Why not just sent Maury to Deal and kick Shepherd out?

So now at least one Maury booster full of themselves enough to think they get rights over every other school? So you think you're Brent community now

SH is doing just fine without you.

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Here's my guess:
DC will make all middle and high schools city-wide schools. No more by-right, local schools at the MS and HS level. If parents know they have no guarantee to Deal or Wilson, it forces them to (1) move or (2) try out new schools with excess capacity.

We live two blocks to Hardy MS and have a baby on the way. But I'm in no way 100% expecting my kid to have a guarantee of attending 10 years from now.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my guess:
DC will make all middle and high schools city-wide schools. No more by-right, local schools at the MS and HS level. If parents know they have no guarantee to Deal or Wilson, it forces them to (1) move or (2) try out new schools with excess capacity.

We live two blocks to Hardy MS and have a baby on the way. But I'm in no way 100% expecting my kid to have a guarantee of attending 10 years from now.

I can't think of any positive benefit to doing away with neighborhood middle and high schools. Seriously, what good would it do? I mean, charter schools would benefit, but I can't think of any nonpartisan. objective, positive good that would arise out of it.