WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”

[Anonymous]

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I am not sure where your MIL lived. I grew up in the South. If you were any part "not white" then you were considered that other race. It is ridiculous and it doesn't make sense. Obviously Warren looked white. My BF in elementary school would always tell me how she was part Navajo. She had a story in her family very similar to Warren. She was not a member of a tribe.

NOW as pp points out it would be considered appropriation if she said it to anyone. At the time it was seen as having a rich history, like how suddenly everyone really identifies with their distant Irish ancestor on St. Patrick's day.

Times have changed dramatically and we all know better now, and we all are doing better.

I, too, grew up in the South. And, I am likely much older than you. That one drop rule did not apply to "Indian" blood. I had plenty of friends who claimed NA ancestry--but they were considered white. Whether they really had NA ancestry or not, I don't know. Some was likely folklore--just like Warren's family. However, many, many Americans do have NA ancestry that do not write it on their legal documents. Why? Because they are mostly white and the NA blood went back generations.

The Cherokees were the most prevalent tribe and they were driven out of the South in Jackson's Trail of Tears.

The Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians (EBCI), (Cherokee: ???? ??????, Tsalagiyi Detsadanilvgi) is a federally recognized Native American tribe in the United States, who are descended from the small group of 800 Cherokee who remained in the Eastern United States after the Indian Removal Act moved the other 15,000 Cherokee to the west in the 19th century. They were required to assimilate and renounce tribal Cherokee citizenship.[1]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Band_of_Cherokee_Indians

Still some Cherokee in NC.

People here are woefully ignorant.

[Anonymous]

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I am not sure where your MIL lived. I grew up in the South. If you were any part "not white" then you were considered that other race. It is ridiculous and it doesn't make sense. Obviously Warren looked white. My BF in elementary school would always tell me how she was part Navajo. She had a story in her family very similar to Warren. She was not a member of a tribe.

NOW as pp points out it would be considered appropriation if she said it to anyone. At the time it was seen as having a rich history, like how suddenly everyone really identifies with their distant Irish ancestor on St. Patrick's day.

Times have changed dramatically and we all know better now, and we all are doing better.

I, too, grew up in the South. And, I am likely much older than you. That one drop rule did not apply to "Indian" blood. I had plenty of friends who claimed NA ancestry--but they were considered white. Whether they really had NA ancestry or not, I don't know. Some was likely folklore--just like Warren's family. However, many, many Americans do have NA ancestry that do not write it on their legal documents. Why? Because they are mostly white and the NA blood went back generations.

And of course a lot of white people in the South claim Native American blood, because they have African-American ancestry and don't want to claim that, so they claim Native American ancestry.

The Cherokees were the most prevalent tribe and they were driven out of the South in Jackson's Trail of Tears.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Today the Cherokee Nations is more than 355,000 citizens strong, young and old. To be eligible for Cherokee Nation citizenship, individuals must provide documents connecting them to an enrolled direct ancestor who is listed on the Dawes Roll. CDIB/Tribal Citizenship is traced through natural parents. In cases of adoption, CDIB/Citizenship must be proven through a biological parent to an ancestor registered on the Dawes Roll.

https://www.cherokee.org/Services/Tribal-Citizenship

That's for claiming membership in the tribe. Not ancestry or descent. These are very different things. For example, many people discover that they have Jewish ancestry through genetic testing. They might not be able marry in a synagogue, or study to be a rabbi, or be buried in a Jewish cemetery - unless they formally convert. But I don't get to tell them that they can't claim to be of Jewish descent.

Except Warren has claimed to BE Native American.

And she IS Native American.

Sure she is. That’s exactly why she’s apologizing publicly for claiming to be Native American; because she’s Native American.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Today the Cherokee Nations is more than 355,000 citizens strong, young and old. To be eligible for Cherokee Nation citizenship, individuals must provide documents connecting them to an enrolled direct ancestor who is listed on the Dawes Roll. CDIB/Tribal Citizenship is traced through natural parents. In cases of adoption, CDIB/Citizenship must be proven through a biological parent to an ancestor registered on the Dawes Roll.

https://www.cherokee.org/Services/Tribal-Citizenship

That's for claiming membership in the tribe. Not ancestry or descent. These are very different things. For example, many people discover that they have Jewish ancestry through genetic testing. They might not be able marry in a synagogue, or study to be a rabbi, or be buried in a Jewish cemetery - unless they formally convert. But I don't get to tell them that they can't claim to be of Jewish descent.

Except Warren has claimed to BE Native American.

And she IS Native American.

Sure she is. That’s exactly why she’s apologizing publicly for claiming to be Native American; because she’s Native American.

Are you familiar with the term BEC? Elizabeth Warren is your BEC.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BEC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Shameful. Frankly, I think this is worse than what Northam has been accused of doing.
She blatantly lied.

I totally agree. And I'm a conservative who sees no need for Northam to resign. This, however, is really beyond the pale. Pun intended.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Shameful. Frankly, I think this is worse than what Northam has been accused of doing.
She blatantly lied.

I totally agree. And I'm a conservative who sees no need for Northam to resign. This, however, is really beyond the pale. Pun intended.

WTH? You are crazy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today the Cherokee Nations is more than 355,000 citizens strong, young and old. To be eligible for Cherokee Nation citizenship, individuals must provide documents connecting them to an enrolled direct ancestor who is listed on the Dawes Roll. CDIB/Tribal Citizenship is traced through natural parents. In cases of adoption, CDIB/Citizenship must be proven through a biological parent to an ancestor registered on the Dawes Roll.

https://www.cherokee.org/Services/Tribal-Citizenship

That's for claiming membership in the tribe. Not ancestry or descent. These are very different things. For example, many people discover that they have Jewish ancestry through genetic testing. They might not be able marry in a synagogue, or study to be a rabbi, or be buried in a Jewish cemetery - unless they formally convert. But I don't get to tell them that they can't claim to be of Jewish descent.

Except Warren has claimed to BE Native American.

And she IS Native American.

Sure she is. That’s exactly why she’s apologizing publicly for claiming to be Native American; because she’s Native American.

Are you familiar with the term BEC? Elizabeth Warren is your BEC.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BEC

Elizabeth Warren is a liar who has been exposed as a cracker.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who careas? It’s not like bar applications are a selective process and they can only admit so many so she got some kind of edge identifying as American Indian. This is truly a situation where it didn’t help or hurt her, it just was. If anything, this substantiates to me that she really did identify as American Indian if she’s using it in contexts where it doesn’t matter.

Wow, that's some impressive pretzel twisting there!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What I find most interesting about this is that she was working at UT Austin. 727 East 26th is the law school, the street name has been changed since then but the law school is still there.

Anyway, I don't think there were guidelines at that time about how much native american heritage you had to have documented to claim it for the bar association. She is part native american (and her DNA has shown that).

This is an actual example of cultural appropriation.
And, as far as her being "part Native American" - most Americans have more Native American blood than she has.

Exactly. I just roll my eyes at people who claim "cultural appropriation" when a Caucasian girl wears a cheongsam to prom. Here we have a Caucasian woman actually claiming to be "American Indian". Really unbelievable. I agree that most Americans have more NA blood than she does (including me), and it would never even occur to us to claim NA race. It's just a tiny part of our basic DNA, nothing more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who careas? It’s not like bar applications are a selective process and they can only admit so many so she got some kind of edge identifying as American Indian. This is truly a situation where it didn’t help or hurt her, it just was. If anything, this substantiates to me that she really did identify as American Indian if she’s using it in contexts where it doesn’t matter.

Wow, that's some impressive pretzel twisting there!

I would like someone to explain to me how it is worse to think yourself part of a ethnicity that you actually have heritage of, than to dress up in blackface which has a well known history of being used to mock another race.

Please explain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today the Cherokee Nations is more than 355,000 citizens strong, young and old. To be eligible for Cherokee Nation citizenship, individuals must provide documents connecting them to an enrolled direct ancestor who is listed on the Dawes Roll. CDIB/Tribal Citizenship is traced through natural parents. In cases of adoption, CDIB/Citizenship must be proven through a biological parent to an ancestor registered on the Dawes Roll.

https://www.cherokee.org/Services/Tribal-Citizenship

That's for claiming membership in the tribe. Not ancestry or descent. These are very different things. For example, many people discover that they have Jewish ancestry through genetic testing. They might not be able marry in a synagogue, or study to be a rabbi, or be buried in a Jewish cemetery - unless they formally convert. But I don't get to tell them that they can't claim to be of Jewish descent.

Except Warren has claimed to BE Native American.

And she IS Native American.

Sure she is. That’s exactly why she’s apologizing publicly for claiming to be Native American; because she’s Native American.

Are you familiar with the term BEC? Elizabeth Warren is your BEC.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BEC

Elizabeth Warren is a liar who has been exposed as a cracker.

Just own it. It is okay.

'If I saw Trump across the room, I would be like, look at that liar drooling on his cracker.'

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who careas? It’s not like bar applications are a selective process and they can only admit so many so she got some kind of edge identifying as American Indian. This is truly a situation where it didn’t help or hurt her, it just was. If anything, this substantiates to me that she really did identify as American Indian if she’s using it in contexts where it doesn’t matter.

Wow, that's some impressive pretzel twisting there!

In other words, you have no substantive response.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today the Cherokee Nations is more than 355,000 citizens strong, young and old. To be eligible for Cherokee Nation citizenship, individuals must provide documents connecting them to an enrolled direct ancestor who is listed on the Dawes Roll. CDIB/Tribal Citizenship is traced through natural parents. In cases of adoption, CDIB/Citizenship must be proven through a biological parent to an ancestor registered on the Dawes Roll.

https://www.cherokee.org/Services/Tribal-Citizenship

That's for claiming membership in the tribe. Not ancestry or descent. These are very different things. For example, many people discover that they have Jewish ancestry through genetic testing. They might not be able marry in a synagogue, or study to be a rabbi, or be buried in a Jewish cemetery - unless they formally convert. But I don't get to tell them that they can't claim to be of Jewish descent.

Except Warren has claimed to BE Native American.

THIS. The question was, what race are you? And her answer was flatly: American Indian. That takes an incredible amount of nerve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shameful. Frankly, I think this is worse than what Northam has been accused of doing.
She blatantly lied.

I totally agree. And I'm a conservative who sees no need for Northam to resign. This, however, is really beyond the pale. Pun intended.

WTH? You are crazy.

Nope. Not crazy at all.
She blatantly lied and said her RACE was American Indian. Really?
How many other times has she lied? I think this is the tip of the iceberg.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today the Cherokee Nations is more than 355,000 citizens strong, young and old. To be eligible for Cherokee Nation citizenship, individuals must provide documents connecting them to an enrolled direct ancestor who is listed on the Dawes Roll. CDIB/Tribal Citizenship is traced through natural parents. In cases of adoption, CDIB/Citizenship must be proven through a biological parent to an ancestor registered on the Dawes Roll.

https://www.cherokee.org/Services/Tribal-Citizenship

That's for claiming membership in the tribe. Not ancestry or descent. These are very different things. For example, many people discover that they have Jewish ancestry through genetic testing. They might not be able marry in a synagogue, or study to be a rabbi, or be buried in a Jewish cemetery - unless they formally convert. But I don't get to tell them that they can't claim to be of Jewish descent.

Except Warren has claimed to BE Native American.

And she IS Native American.

Oh, honey. That's like me (a white person) claiming to be Chinese because I have 0.000001% Chinese in my DNA. Give it up.