Downsize to townhouse?

Anonymous
Have you actually done the math on this yourself? (If not, that would be my first recommendation, rather than getting worried about conflicting advice from DCUM!).

By my quick calculations (rough estimates of property taxes and such), I’m thinking that you would save ~ $650/month on your mortgage (based on a $300k mortgage). If you assume $40k total moving costs, then you’d be to break-even after about 5 years. However, getting your mortgage down to $300k would only leave you an extra $50k in savings - is the extra commute time, hassle of moving, changing school districts,etc. worth it to you for this? Only you can really answer that question.

I live in a TH. Overall I like it, but the stairs are a bit of a pain - going up and down 2 flights of stairs every time I need to put something away in our bedroom. We don’t have a garage, so our Living room and kitchen are on the ground level - this is critical for us since we host most holiday celebrations and have elderly relatives who struggle with stairs and would likely have to decline if they had to take stairs to even get to the meal. I don’t know the state of your family’s knees and hips - once again, only a question that you can answer. Personally, I don’t see DH and myself retiring in a TH, due to the steps.

How important is a yard to you? Our TH does have a yard, and that’s critical to us, since we have a dog....it’s really nice to just let him out back in the mornings and evenings. However, we don’t have a garage, so bicycle storage is a major issue for us. (Yet another reason why we’ll eventually get a SFH). Very few THs have both a yard and a garage - those that do tend to have main living quarters starting on the second floor (so always have to lug groceries up to the 2nd floor kitchen). Once again, how important are a yard and a garage to your family?


Also, don’t assume that a TH won’t be a money pit. Our 1600’ TH was built in the late 90s and honestly, isn’t very high quality construction. We’ve spent tens of thousands in maintenance and repairs (plus quite a bit more for upgrades). However, overall maintenance is probably less than for a SFH, so long term, there probably is some savings there, both in time and money.

We don’t mind having neighbors next to us, but we’re in an end unit...and also my development has great landscaping with lots of trees. In the summertime, I can sit in our small backyard and I feel separated from the THs right behind us, since there’s a row of trees in-between and they can’t look down into our yard (with the leaves on the trees). I think that I’d feel different about this if we were in the sort of development where all of the THs are crammed close together.

If you’re seriously thinking about this, I would recommend 1. Running the numbers yourself, so that you can get a feel for actual savings, 2. Targeting some areas that you’re interested in and start going to open houses in those areas. How do those THs feel to you? Will your family have enough space? 3. Double/triple check the commute from those target areas that are a ‘little further out.’ In reality, is it an extra 10 minutes or an extra 40? Are you adding in extra tolls?
Anonymous

If one of you can't work due to a physical disability, maybe a condo would make more sense? If the move is about more than the money, it might make more sense.
Anonymous
If the issue is $500/month, then save yourself the cost and hassle of moving and get some side hustles to earn that each month. Even if you babysat 4 evenings a month for parents who want a weekend date night, you’d get there fairly easily.
Anonymous
One downside to TH living for me is the lack of parking for guests. In order to have a party of any size, you'd have to have them park at a shopping center and have them shuttled in. No room either for utility trailer, boat, camper, etc.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:One thing that the shutdown has highlighted for us is that we need a much bigger emergency cushion.

DH and I have been discussing downsizing from our Fairfax County SFH (worth about $600K, we owe about $350K on the mortgage, current monthly payment is $2525 at 3.375%) to a townhouse (we can find a reasonably nice one slightly farther out in a good school district for about $465K). The idea would be to take a large chunk of the proceeds and put it in savings, and put the remainder toward the downpayment on the townhouse. With the lower price and the downpayment, we would also have a smaller monthly payment and be able to save more, even with a higher interest rate on a new mortgage--I am seeing 4.375% on a VA loan, so this would be only a percentage point higher than our current rate.

Our current SFH is a ranch-style house with a finished basement, and honestly we only use the upstairs, so in terms of space I am not sure it would be that different. Also, I think this probably makes sense financially. However, I find myself very resistant to the idea; to me SFH = middle class = not a failure.

Advice?


Geez so you view people who live in townhouses as failures? This area
Anonymous
Different school district? Different from where your kids attend now? Op, you will have much bigger problems moving them. Problems will cost you money. Emotional problems, problems of them adjusting. being unhappy, resenting you will cost you money.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it makes a lot of sense financially. Moving is VERY expensive. You’ll spend thousands moving and on commissions, taxes etc

Townhomes historically don’t appreciate like SFHs do, which is there is a stigma. HOAs will increase over time

You’re much better off looking at your budget and cutting costs somewhere else.


+1. Between commissions, higher interest rates, it’s just not worth it.
Anonymous
Some advice for OP:
- Don't think the move is worth the transaction costs.
- Assuming your credit is good, get a HELOC in case of future emergencies, and start saving as much as you can elsewhere to increase your emergency fund.
- Remember to include college financial aid in your calculations. I am pretty sure that cash savings count toward expected family contribution while the value of a primary residence does not.
- You might want to consider taking questions like these to the Money Mustache forum of something similar. In general, posters will be much more supportive and have better ideas.
Anonymous
The cost to sell and move is like $50,000. And paying a higher mortgage rate and an HOA makes little sense. Plus unless doing a 15 year mortgage you are restarting a 30 year mortgage
Anonymous
I think you are looking for the short term comfort over long term smart thinking. Stop thinking in terms of monthly payments. It keeps you poor. Why on earth would you pay all these transaction costs and give up your locked in low mortgage rate, which will save you thousands over your lifetime, to free up $500 a month?
Anonymous
We have a split foyer home and while I love all the space I am getting sick of the stairs. Also I am just much more aware that one slight injury makes half your home unusable.

We lived in a townhome and would not go back. The HOA fees and assessments aren't worth it. Too much is not in your control.


I agree with side hustles. It is what my DH did when he lost his job.
Anonymous
If you are thinking longterm, think all the way longterm. How much will this mortgage and maintenance cost you over the remaining life of the mortgage vs the new mortgage on the townhouse plus transaction costs and maintenance? If you have 20 years on your current mortgage, part of your calculation is 500 a month for 20 years, or 120k in savings. But then keep in mind that you will be starting over on a mortgage if you move and paying a mortgage for however many years longer. Maybe that beats out the 30k in transaction costs, but maybe it doesn't all things considered.
Factor in equity since you can't predict it and you can't have it while you live in the house.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I think you are looking for the short term comfort over long term smart thinking. Stop thinking in terms of monthly payments. It keeps you poor. Why on earth would you pay all these transaction costs and give up your locked in low mortgage rate, which will save you thousands over your lifetime, to free up $500 a month?


+1.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I know easier said than done, but why don’t you just leave the government job and go to the private sector? This shutdown without pay is beyond ridiculous and I would be looking for a better paying private sector job in a nanosecond.


If OP cannot handle a job where you are basically retired in place and a small hiccup like this throws her into a financial mess, no way in hell could she manage life with a grown up job that could get cut at any time. People in the private sector deal with this all the time, except their healthcare and bbn pay disappear and it can take months to get a job again.
Anonymous
The downsize doesn't make any sense! ( Only on DCUM) For crying out loud what if you sell pocket real money and values go down? Ok if you buy a house that goes down that doesn't help but a 400K house drops 5% that is only 20K vs a $600K house. People saying transaction costs or moving costs? I moved once not too long ago a local move 4 bdr/ 3 level house it cost me $1100 big whoop. Op you said VA loan? No money down! No PMI ! Get the equity out and start earning $$ on that $$ yes if you took the equity out you would potentially have a higher house payment but the size of the house and the mortgage could be balanced. 300K equity could make you 15K or more each year. Lower utilities too! Many Many reasons that a downsize could make sense for you. Can you tell I am downsizing? This is a very personal decision mine is part financial and part I don't need 5000 sq ft any more. I figure I will pocket 180K but between lower monthly payments and utilities plus what I gain on that 180K I will have close to 300K in 5 years. I weighed the pro's and con's of it and like I said its a personal decision I won't look back if it makes sense for you go for it, good luck
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