Color blind casting or color quota casting

[Anonymous]

This is an interesting thread as I recently saw Mary, Queen is Scots. I was a little puzzled by the range of black, Hispanic, Asian, etc. cast members given there were none in 16th century England/Scotland - at least to the best of anyone’s knowledge. For a historical film it felt a bit off.

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Anonymous wrote:I noticed more black extras in the second season of Mrs. Maisel, eating at the table behind her in the deli (maybe this would have been realistic) and shopping at the high end Midtown department store she worked at (unlikely that there were many black women shopping at such a place in the 1950s). If Midge was a real person, she probably could have gone through most of her life without seeing a black person at all.

Also, has anyone noticed the glut of TV ads over the past year featuring black/white couples? There are many such couples in real life but it seems a little overly representative and forced.

I'm trying and failing to see what the problem is with any of this.

None of it is real anyhow. Have you ever seen anyone that excited to clean their house or eat a salad in the real world?

Not a problem, just a little unrealistic and forced.

do you realize how ridiculous and terribly sound? It seems ridiculous and forced that commercials are showing interracial couples which do actually exist?

Or that there are black folks in the background. The background--not even being given a main role? Jesus. The show uses 21st and current vernacular in slang. Just roll with it. Damn

You are so clueless as to how bigoted you sound. And you are probably the loudest screamer about how you're not racist or bigoted or prejudiced at all. You're just telling the truth. Am I right? I'm right!

Whatever. You’ve earned your lefty points for the day. I know they exist, but there are not enough black/white couples in reality to justify their appearance on every other TV ad. How many do you know? It just seems forced, patronising and like pandering.

Do you live in a cave?

Nowadays 15% of new marriages are interracial. If anything, Hollywood and commercials still have a long way to catch up, there aren't nearly enough interracial couples portrayed to reflect reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I noticed more black extras in the second season of Mrs. Maisel, eating at the table behind her in the deli (maybe this would have been realistic) and shopping at the high end Midtown department store she worked at (unlikely that there were many black women shopping at such a place in the 1950s). If Midge was a real person, she probably could have gone through most of her life without seeing a black person at all.

Also, has anyone noticed the glut of TV ads over the past year featuring black/white couples? There are many such couples in real life but it seems a little overly representative and forced.

I'm trying and failing to see what the problem is with any of this.

None of it is real anyhow. Have you ever seen anyone that excited to clean their house or eat a salad in the real world?

Not a problem, just a little unrealistic and forced.

do you realize how ridiculous and terribly sound? It seems ridiculous and forced that commercials are showing interracial couples which do actually exist?

Or that there are black folks in the background. The background--not even being given a main role? Jesus. The show uses 21st and current vernacular in slang. Just roll with it. Damn

You are so clueless as to how bigoted you sound. And you are probably the loudest screamer about how you're not racist or bigoted or prejudiced at all. You're just telling the truth. Am I right? I'm right!

Whatever. You’ve earned your lefty points for the day. I know they exist, but there are not enough black/white couples in reality to justify their appearance on every other TV ad. How many do you know? It just seems forced, patronising and like pandering.

Do you live in a cave?

Nowadays 15% of new marriages are interracial. If anything, Hollywood and commercials still have a long way to catch up, there aren't nearly enough interracial couples portrayed to reflect reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I saw Frozen on Broadway and grown up Anna was played by a black actress. She was great, but it was really confusing to watch. The show started with a white 'young Anna' with red braids, then she was a black 'grown up Anna' with black braids, and then later white braids, and then young Anna with white skin and red braids appeared for a flashback scene at the end, before ending with grown up Anna with black braids again. I loved the race blind casting of Kristoff, but couldn't get behind a character switching races during the show. My 5 yo was really confused, too. She asked me why Anna kept changing colors.

Wow. That is very confusing. Not to mention that Frozen takes place in Scandinavia. Anyway, I saw an Imagination Stage production of The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. Each of the four main characters was played by both an actor and a ballet dancer. The actor and ballet dancer playing Edmond were of different races. This was very confusing. I would have been fine with a black Edmond, but both Edmonds should have been black!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just saw the new Mary Poppins movie. The issue of casting diversity is hardly new and I thought the color blind casting of Lin-Manuel Miranda in a "white" role was very effective because he was very believable in the role (not to mention he's incredibly talented). Yes, his accent was a little weird but I had no problem believing that he could have been a lamplighter in that era of London. Good casting.

Then there was the casting of black actors as one of the lawyers and the executive secretary to the man at the bank. Let's be real: in 1930s-1940s London (the implied era), there wouldn't have been black people in those jobs. By pretending that they would have, it glosses over the racism and discrimination of that era. Yes, this is a fantasy Disney movie, but it's highly unrealistic casting for a historical setting.

Which leads me to wonder if this was color "blind" casting or color "quota" casting? It felt like Disney was worried this period piece would feel too white so they decided to plop some black faces into roles that were historically inaccurate so they could take some credit for diversity on film. Isn't that tokenism?

Don't get me wrong, I totally support color blind casting when it makes sense, but there are certain times when this casting push gets distracting and frankly feels like pandering when placed into a historical setting.

Yes, yes it is. And no, it is not historically accurate. See: "Hamilton."

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The casting of white people in virtually every role is not evidence of a quota in favor of white people, right? That’s just “normal,” amirite? It is the few movies in which people of color are allowed to expand their representation that are suggestive of a quota.

Thanks for your “analysis.” You’re not a mean spirited, knuckle dragging, racist numbskull at all.

We're talking about a movie set in 1930/1940s London, not in contemporary times. Black people would not have been in those jobs in that era because of the racism and discrimination of the time. If one of the Banks children had been cast by a Japanese actor, do you think it's racist to find that distracting?

I see you have mild learning disabilities. Try reading my post out loud with your finger under each word. You might comprehend it this time.

Not the PP, but talk about mean-spirited. PP is absolutely right. Doesn't really matter that you're offended by the truth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I noticed more black extras in the second season of Mrs. Maisel, eating at the table behind her in the deli (maybe this would have been realistic) and shopping at the high end Midtown department store she worked at (unlikely that there were many black women shopping at such a place in the 1950s). If Midge was a real person, she probably could have gone through most of her life without seeing a black person at all.

Also, has anyone noticed the glut of TV ads over the past year featuring black/white couples? There are many such couples in real life but it seems a little overly representative and forced.

I'm trying and failing to see what the problem is with any of this.

None of it is real anyhow. Have you ever seen anyone that excited to clean their house or eat a salad in the real world?

Not a problem, just a little unrealistic and forced.

do you realize how ridiculous and terribly sound? It seems ridiculous and forced that commercials are showing interracial couples which do actually exist?

Or that there are black folks in the background. The background--not even being given a main role? Jesus. The show uses 21st and current vernacular in slang. Just roll with it. Damn

You are so clueless as to how bigoted you sound. And you are probably the loudest screamer about how you're not racist or bigoted or prejudiced at all. You're just telling the truth. Am I right? I'm right!

Wow. Talk about "loudest screamer."
-DP

[Anonymous]

I'm so grateful that my mixed race kids are growing up in a media environment where "diversity" doesn't include both brunettes AND blondes, with a fat friend to really push the limits! And if it makes you uncomfortable I'm extra glad.

[Anonymous]

You people will "see color" and deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm so grateful that my mixed race kids are growing up in a media environment where "diversity" doesn't include both brunettes AND blondes, with a fat friend to really push the limits! And if it makes you uncomfortable I'm extra glad.

I don't recall anyone saying it made them "uncomfortable" to see different races represented on screen. But sure, twist what OP and others were saying about when it's historically accurate - and when it's not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You people will "see color" and deal.

Umm... ok!?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so grateful that my mixed race kids are growing up in a media environment where "diversity" doesn't include both brunettes AND blondes, with a fat friend to really push the limits! And if it makes you uncomfortable I'm extra glad.

I don't recall anyone saying it made them "uncomfortable" to see different races represented on screen. But sure, twist what OP and others were saying about when it's historically accurate - and when it's not.

Well it's been repeatedly pointed out that it is, in fact, historically accurate, to which OP/DPs retorted, "well not TYPICALLY black lawyers!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm so grateful that my mixed race kids are growing up in a media environment where "diversity" doesn't include both brunettes AND blondes, with a fat friend to really push the limits! And if it makes you uncomfortable I'm extra glad.

I don't recall anyone saying it made them "uncomfortable" to see different races represented on screen. But sure, twist what OP and others were saying about when it's historically accurate - and when it's not.

Well it's been repeatedly pointed out that it is, in fact, historically accurate, to which OP/DPs retorted, "well not TYPICALLY black lawyers!"

I understood what the OP was saying, as did a few others. Those of you who insist OP is somehow racist are just the usual outrage-mongers. OP had a very good point, but it was wasted on you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm so grateful that my mixed race kids are growing up in a media environment where "diversity" doesn't include both brunettes AND blondes, with a fat friend to really push the limits! And if it makes you uncomfortable I'm extra glad.

I don't recall anyone saying it made them "uncomfortable" to see different races represented on screen. But sure, twist what OP and others were saying about when it's historically accurate - and when it's not.

Well it's been repeatedly pointed out that it is, in fact, historically accurate, to which OP/DPs retorted, "well not TYPICALLY black lawyers!"

I understood what the OP was saying, as did a few others. Those of you who insist OP is somehow racist are just the usual outrage-mongers. OP had a very good point, but it was wasted on you.

Explain how it's a "very good point" to claim that there could not have been a black lawyer during a period of UK history when there were black lawyers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I noticed more black extras in the second season of Mrs. Maisel, eating at the table behind her in the deli (maybe this would have been realistic) and shopping at the high end Midtown department store she worked at (unlikely that there were many black women shopping at such a place in the 1950s). If Midge was a real person, she probably could have gone through most of her life without seeing a black person at all.

Also, has anyone noticed the glut of TV ads over the past year featuring black/white couples? There are many such couples in real life but it seems a little overly representative and forced.

I'm trying and failing to see what the problem is with any of this.

None of it is real anyhow. Have you ever seen anyone that excited to clean their house or eat a salad in the real world?

Not a problem, just a little unrealistic and forced.

do you realize how ridiculous and terribly sound? It seems ridiculous and forced that commercials are showing interracial couples which do actually exist?

Or that there are black folks in the background. The background--not even being given a main role? Jesus. The show uses 21st and current vernacular in slang. Just roll with it. Damn

You are so clueless as to how bigoted you sound. And you are probably the loudest screamer about how you're not racist or bigoted or prejudiced at all. You're just telling the truth. Am I right? I'm right!

Whatever. You’ve earned your lefty points for the day. I know they exist, but there are not enough black/white couples in reality to justify their appearance on every other TV ad. How many do you know? It just seems forced, patronising and like pandering.

Do you live in a cave?

Nowadays 15% of new marriages are interracial. If anything, Hollywood and commercials still have a long way to catch up, there aren't nearly enough interracial couples portrayed to reflect reality.

Most of those interracial marriages are probably white/Asian. Black/white marriages are probably still not very common.