NNAT results December 2018

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:160 on NNAT is a highest score. It is only possible if your child is born after April. Is that true?

They might have rounded for anonymity.

[Anonymous]

I agree. It seems like a troll or a rounded number because 160 is really not possible - at least not possible in FCPS unless your child is very young among age groups.

[Anonymous]

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How do you prep a kid for the test? Isn't the test straight forward?

Google NNAT and take a look at the first page or two of links. There are people who sell test prep packages and there are tutoring programs that people enroll their kids in that teach them how to answer the questions. So you can teach the pattern recognition to the kids. There are similar packages available for the CogAT that is taken in second grade.

The committee looks at the super high scores with suspicion because it can be prepped. There are teachers who will tell you that they hear kids saying that they knew the questions before hand, those would be kids who were repped usiing old tests and recognized the questions.

There is no doubt that a very small percentage of kids will score a perfect score without prepping but it is rare.

You mention "teaching the pattern recognition", but isn't that just another thing/activity kids learn like numbers, letters, mazes, "spot the difference", connect the dots, and myriad other things. My eldest child loves workbooks that have all these different types of activities in them. So if some of the workbooks have pattern recognition as part of them then am I "prepping"? Or only if I were to buy and give them test-specific prep materials? I'm just getting up to speed on this topic (my eldest is Pre-K / 5yo) and sometimes unclear what people mean by prepping...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How do you prep a kid for the test? Isn't the test straight forward?

Google NNAT and take a look at the first page or two of links. There are people who sell test prep packages and there are tutoring programs that people enroll their kids in that teach them how to answer the questions. So you can teach the pattern recognition to the kids. There are similar packages available for the CogAT that is taken in second grade.

The committee looks at the super high scores with suspicion because it can be prepped. There are teachers who will tell you that they hear kids saying that they knew the questions before hand, those would be kids who were repped usiing old tests and recognized the questions.

There is no doubt that a very small percentage of kids will score a perfect score without prepping but it is rare.

You mention "teaching the pattern recognition", but isn't that just another thing/activity kids learn like numbers, letters, mazes, "spot the difference", connect the dots, and myriad other things. My eldest child loves workbooks that have all these different types of activities in them. So if some of the workbooks have pattern recognition as part of them then am I "prepping"? Or only if I were to buy and give them test-specific prep materials? I'm just getting up to speed on this topic (my eldest is Pre-K / 5yo) and sometimes unclear what people mean by prepping...

I think the most obvious prepping is the weekend prep school types. There are 6-8 week programs (few hours/week) in the areas to help kids score higher on NNAT and CogAT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How do you prep a kid for the test? Isn't the test straight forward?

Google NNAT and take a look at the first page or two of links. There are people who sell test prep packages and there are tutoring programs that people enroll their kids in that teach them how to answer the questions. So you can teach the pattern recognition to the kids. There are similar packages available for the CogAT that is taken in second grade.

The committee looks at the super high scores with suspicion because it can be prepped. There are teachers who will tell you that they hear kids saying that they knew the questions before hand, those would be kids who were repped usiing old tests and recognized the questions.

There is no doubt that a very small percentage of kids will score a perfect score without prepping but it is rare.

You mention "teaching the pattern recognition", but isn't that just another thing/activity kids learn like numbers, letters, mazes, "spot the difference", connect the dots, and myriad other things. My eldest child loves workbooks that have all these different types of activities in them. So if some of the workbooks have pattern recognition as part of them then am I "prepping"? Or only if I were to buy and give them test-specific prep materials? I'm just getting up to speed on this topic (my eldest is Pre-K / 5yo) and sometimes unclear what people mean by prepping...

I think the most obvious prepping is the weekend prep school types. There are 6-8 week programs (few hours/week) in the areas to help kids score higher on NNAT and CogAT.

There are the weekend programs and the books you can buy on Amazon.

We didn’t prep our son, we had no clue what it meant that he was taking the NNAT. We did have him work on a workbook over the summer that included math, reading, writing, pattern recognition and the like. He likes logic puzzles so we have books of those and a soduku for kids book that he likes. He plays board games with the adults. He reads 15 mintues a day and we read to him every night. He likes math games so we play math games.

I don’t see any of that as prepping, just parenting my specific kid. But it all probably helped him to do well on the NNAT. His love of origami will probably help him on the CogAT next year. (Shrugs)

Google NNAT and take a look at the sites that come up. They have specific books that contain practice questions and exams. There are actual testing centers that people send their kids to. It is kind of scary. THe last month or so has been an eye opener for how insanely competitive some parents are regarding their kids. I udnerstand wanting the best for your child but I think that there are people who forget that they need to let their kids be kids. Anyone sending a five year old to tutoring for an exam probably needs to chill a bit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How do you prep a kid for the test? Isn't the test straight forward?

Google NNAT and take a look at the first page or two of links. There are people who sell test prep packages and there are tutoring programs that people enroll their kids in that teach them how to answer the questions. So you can teach the pattern recognition to the kids. There are similar packages available for the CogAT that is taken in second grade.

The committee looks at the super high scores with suspicion because it can be prepped. There are teachers who will tell you that they hear kids saying that they knew the questions before hand, those would be kids who were repped usiing old tests and recognized the questions.

There is no doubt that a very small percentage of kids will score a perfect score without prepping but it is rare.

You mention "teaching the pattern recognition", but isn't that just another thing/activity kids learn like numbers, letters, mazes, "spot the difference", connect the dots, and myriad other things. My eldest child loves workbooks that have all these different types of activities in them. So if some of the workbooks have pattern recognition as part of them then am I "prepping"? Or only if I were to buy and give them test-specific prep materials? I'm just getting up to speed on this topic (my eldest is Pre-K / 5yo) and sometimes unclear what people mean by prepping...

I think the most obvious prepping is the weekend prep school types. There are 6-8 week programs (few hours/week) in the areas to help kids score higher on NNAT and CogAT.

There are the weekend programs and the books you can buy on Amazon.

We didn’t prep our son, we had no clue what it meant that he was taking the NNAT. We did have him work on a workbook over the summer that included math, reading, writing, pattern recognition and the like. He likes logic puzzles so we have books of those and a soduku for kids book that he likes. He plays board games with the adults. He reads 15 mintues a day and we read to him every night. He likes math games so we play math games.

I don’t see any of that as prepping, just parenting my specific kid. But it all probably helped him to do well on the NNAT. His love of origami will probably help him on the CogAT next year. (Shrugs)

Google NNAT and take a look at the sites that come up. They have specific books that contain practice questions and exams. There are actual testing centers that people send their kids to. It is kind of scary. THe last month or so has been an eye opener for how insanely competitive some parents are regarding their kids. I udnerstand wanting the best for your child but I think that there are people who forget that they need to let their kids be kids. Anyone sending a five year old to tutoring for an exam probably needs to chill a bit.

Agree with all of this. I bought my house pre-kids and only looked at great school rating bc we hoped to have kids eventually. I had no idea we were zoned for a center school (or what a center school even was at that point) and all the insanity that comes along with it.

[Anonymous]

Finally got DD’s NNAT score last night, 146 with 3 wrongs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree. It seems like a troll or a rounded number because 160 is really not possible - at least not possible in FCPS unless your child is very young among age groups.

They must round.

https://imgur.com/a/6Z5s5jO

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree. It seems like a troll or a rounded number because 160 is really not possible - at least not possible in FCPS unless your child is very young among age groups.

They must round.

https://imgur.com/a/6Z5s5jO

The poster whose DD got 160 here. They didn't round, she got all 48 (I think that's the number) of questions right. She took the test at 7.5yo, because we moved from abroad.

We prepped in a very light way. I hired a private tutor who explained to her what kind of questions will be on the test, and did a mock test. Total of 2 hours. I wanted to make her feel confident because English is not our first language.

She got 139 composite on CogAT, with lowest on verbal. Also here 2 hours of prep in the same way.

We knew she is smart, she took WISC abroad in our home country, and she tested IQ 145+.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree. It seems like a troll or a rounded number because 160 is really not possible - at least not possible in FCPS unless your child is very young among age groups.

They must round.

https://imgur.com/a/6Z5s5jO

The poster whose DD got 160 here. They didn't round, she got all 48 (I think that's the number) of questions right. She took the test at 7.5yo, because we moved from abroad.

We prepped in a very light way. I hired a private tutor who explained to her what kind of questions will be on the test, and did a mock test. Total of 2 hours. I wanted to make her feel confident because English is not our first language.

She got 139 composite on CogAT, with lowest on verbal. Also here 2 hours of prep in the same way.

We knew she is smart, she took WISC abroad in our home country, and she tested IQ 145+.

Hiring a tutor is not light prepping.

[Anonymous]

The poster whose DD got 160 here. They didn't round, she got all 48 (I think that's the number) of questions right. She took the test at 7.5yo, because we moved from abroad.

We prepped in a very light way. I hired a private tutor who explained to her what kind of questions will be on the test, and did a mock test. Total of 2 hours. I wanted to make her feel confident because English is not our first language.




Hiring a tutor is not light prepping.

I personally don't think that 2 hours can teach a kid to 'cheat' the test. That's just not enough. But knowing what will be on the test will help her relax and do her best. Which clearly happened since she scored so high. I consider this light prepping. Prepping the whole summer, or an intensive 8 weeks course is heavy prepping in my view.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DD got the max, 160 points on NNAT . I am not bothering with samples.

Don't get cocky! Wait and see how your DD does on the Cogats!

However the DD does on the Cogat, she will be in pool. Samples are not needed.

If her CogAT is under 132 then she will need sample. In pool does not mean that she is in AAP. From what I have read on this site, NNAT is weighed less then the CogAT because of how/what the NNAT tests. If the CogAT score is low, that 160 in the NNAT probably is meaningless.

Not to mention, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence that kids whose scores are too high are looked at with a great deal of skepticism because it could very well indicate that a student was prepped. So the test scores should be in line with the GBRSs and other indicators. So high test scores not matched with similar GBRSs are seen as problematic because the parents prepped the kid for the test.

Instead of focusing on the number, focus on helping your child enjoy school and make her best effort in class.

Who said I am focusing on the number? The name of this thread is NNAT results, so I am simply reporting what the OP wanted to know.

What I am focusing on is getting my kid into AAP. She is one of the kids who really need it. We have seen the difference between GE and AAP (equivalents) in our home country, and how our kid thrives when challenged. And we can't afford a private school.

But after reading this forum I am worried about the quality of AAP and whether it will be enough challenge. It seems like kids with slightly higher than average scores can get in if the parents are pushy enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD got the max, 160 points on NNAT . I am not bothering with samples.

Don't get cocky! Wait and see how your DD does on the Cogats!

However the DD does on the Cogat, she will be in pool. Samples are not needed.

If her CogAT is under 132 then she will need sample. In pool does not mean that she is in AAP. From what I have read on this site, NNAT is weighed less then the CogAT because of how/what the NNAT tests. If the CogAT score is low, that 160 in the NNAT probably is meaningless.

Not to mention, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence that kids whose scores are too high are looked at with a great deal of skepticism because it could very well indicate that a student was prepped. So the test scores should be in line with the GBRSs and other indicators. So high test scores not matched with similar GBRSs are seen as problematic because the parents prepped the kid for the test.

Instead of focusing on the number, focus on helping your child enjoy school and make her best effort in class.

Who said I am focusing on the number? The name of this thread is NNAT results, so I am simply reporting what the OP wanted to know.

What I am focusing on is getting my kid into AAP. She is one of the kids who really need it. We have seen the difference between GE and AAP (equivalents) in our home country, and how our kid thrives when challenged. And we can't afford a private school.

But after reading this forum I am worried about the quality of AAP and whether it will be enough challenge. It seems like kids with slightly higher than average scores can get in if the parents are pushy enough.

Yep- thread asked for the nnat result. Your second sentence saying you’re not submitting samples does mean you are focusing on the number. My kids are both in aap first round. I’d wait for the cogat. You very well may need samples as one good score alone isn’t enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree. It seems like a troll or a rounded number because 160 is really not possible - at least not possible in FCPS unless your child is very young among age groups.

They must round.

https://imgur.com/a/6Z5s5jO

The poster whose DD got 160 here. They didn't round, she got all 48 (I think that's the number) of questions right. She took the test at 7.5yo, because we moved from abroad.

We prepped in a very light way. I hired a private tutor who explained to her what kind of questions will be on the test, and did a mock test. Total of 2 hours. I wanted to make her feel confident because English is not our first language.

She got 139 composite on CogAT, with lowest on verbal. Also here 2 hours of prep in the same way.

We knew she is smart, she took WISC abroad in our home country, and she tested IQ 145+.

If you check the link I posted, its our own kid's results, with identifying info blanked out.

In our case, the results were rounded up.

We had a WISC as a result of a screening process which produced similar IQ results to yours. I'm expecting a moderately more challenging curriculum than GE, but nothing rivaling a real gifted and talented program. I figure we will still have to supplement outside of school for that.

[Anonymous]

146
99 percentile
6 years 2 months old
We showed him the 5 sample questions from this website below so he knew what to expect.
https://www.testingmom.com/tests/nnat-test/sample-nnat-practice-questions/