Why shouldn’t Hogan keep his job?

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Anonymous wrote: I think voting or not voting for somebody simply because of their political party is not the way we should approach elections. Vote for the best candidate to represent our state, county or country, regardless of political affiliation. In this case I think Governor Hogan has done a fantastic job and I will gladly be voting for him. If you think ben jealous is the right man for the job then By all means vote for him. But don’t vote for him just because he has a D after his name because that is just as bad as people voting for Donald Trump simply because he had a R after his name.

I don't think Hogan has done a fantastic job. Our schools have suffered under him, his policies favor the rural coastal parts of Maryland, he has not spoken out against Trump's bigotry and misogyny and despite being a Republican, he meddles in aspects that should be under local control, like school calendars.

And that’s fine, we have different opinions and points of view on his job performance. Cast your vote for the other guy. . My point is is that simply voting for somebody based on their political affiliation is not smart. I’ve seen several posts say that they like Governor Hogan but they are voting for jealous only because he’s a Democrat. Those are the people that I was referring to .

I agree with this in the state and local context. For national seats, I think it is perfectly acceptable (and preferable) to vote for Democrats even if you prefer the Republican in a binary comparison. The GOP controlled Congress has utterly abdicated its responsibility to utilize checks and balances to control an administration utterly bereft of any coherent foreign policy, sane fiscal policy, or moral compass. Hell, even many Republicans feel this way (never Trumpers). There's no way I'd vote for any Republican now for national office.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Democrat, but I think he’s been a great governor. I want to my party. Tell me why I should vote him out.

He shouldn't keep his job because he is a republican and right now, in this political climate, we need all the democrats in office we can get. We should we voting party line each and every time.

If you arent doing this you might as well be supporting Trump.

Let’s pretend and say I am a Republican. You think I should be voting down party lines and vote for every single Republican? Regardless of ability or qualifications? Come on.

Yes, with Trump President I absolutely do.

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Anonymous wrote: I think voting or not voting for somebody simply because of their political party is not the way we should approach elections. Vote for the best candidate to represent our state, county or country, regardless of political affiliation. In this case I think Governor Hogan has done a fantastic job and I will gladly be voting for him. If you think ben jealous is the right man for the job then By all means vote for him. But don’t vote for him just because he has a D after his name because that is just as bad as people voting for Donald Trump simply because he had a R after his name.

I don't think Hogan has done a fantastic job. Our schools have suffered under him, his policies favor the rural coastal parts of Maryland, he has not spoken out against Trump's bigotry and misogyny and despite being a Republican, he meddles in aspects that should be under local control, like school calendars.

And that’s fine, we have different opinions and points of view on his job performance. Cast your vote for the other guy. . My point is is that simply voting for somebody based on their political affiliation is not smart. I’ve seen several posts say that they like Governor Hogan but they are voting for jealous only because he’s a Democrat. Those are the people that I was referring to .

So here's my twisted logic - I'm voting for Jealous because I don't think he has any chance of winning. I generally am fine with Hogan (other than the school calendar thing) and would rather he be governor than Jealous. But given that he is going to win anyways, I'll cast my vote symbolically for the Democrat, because the Republican party disgusts me and I really would rather not vote for anyone who affiliates with them.

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Anonymous wrote:He hates MoCo. He thinks we're the moco of the 80s: rich and white. We aren't. He doesn't care. If you have a kid in mcps, hogan isn't your friend.

Having said that, Jealous is untested. No clue what he is capable of.

Bottom line: hogan will win reelection. The Dems realized that, so they didn't bother investing in a viable opponent.

Would you prefer his Democratic predecessor, Martin O’Malley? He was running for President his second day in the Governor’s office. O’’Malley’s only noteworthy moment in the campaign was being referred to as “an unidentified man” after participating in a televised debate.

Lets keep the discussion between the actual candidates

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I think the Washington Post endorsement outlines very good reasons why Hogan should keep his job.

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Anonymous wrote: I think voting or not voting for somebody simply because of their political party is not the way we should approach elections. Vote for the best candidate to represent our state, county or country, regardless of political affiliation. In this case I think Governor Hogan has done a fantastic job and I will gladly be voting for him. If you think ben jealous is the right man for the job then By all means vote for him. But don’t vote for him just because he has a D after his name because that is just as bad as people voting for Donald Trump simply because he had a R after his name.

I don't think Hogan has done a fantastic job. Our schools have suffered under him, his policies favor the rural coastal parts of Maryland, he has not spoken out against Trump's bigotry and misogyny and despite being a Republican, he meddles in aspects that should be under local control, like school calendars.

And that’s fine, we have different opinions and points of view on his job performance. Cast your vote for the other guy. . My point is is that simply voting for somebody based on their political affiliation is not smart. I’ve seen several posts say that they like Governor Hogan but they are voting for jealous only because he’s a Democrat. Those are the people that I was referring to .

So here's my twisted logic - I'm voting for Jealous because I don't think he has any chance of winning. I generally am fine with Hogan (other than the school calendar thing) and would rather he be governor than Jealous. But given that he is going to win anyways, I'll cast my vote symbolically for the Democrat, because the Republican party disgusts me and I really would rather not vote for anyone who affiliates with them.

Be careful with this..

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Anonymous wrote: I think voting or not voting for somebody simply because of their political party is not the way we should approach elections. Vote for the best candidate to represent our state, county or country, regardless of political affiliation. In this case I think Governor Hogan has done a fantastic job and I will gladly be voting for him. If you think ben jealous is the right man for the job then By all means vote for him. But don’t vote for him just because he has a D after his name because that is just as bad as people voting for Donald Trump simply because he had a R after his name.

I don't think Hogan has done a fantastic job. Our schools have suffered under him, his policies favor the rural coastal parts of Maryland, he has not spoken out against Trump's bigotry and misogyny and despite being a Republican, he meddles in aspects that should be under local control, like school calendars.

And that’s fine, we have different opinions and points of view on his job performance. Cast your vote for the other guy. . My point is is that simply voting for somebody based on their political affiliation is not smart. I’ve seen several posts say that they like Governor Hogan but they are voting for jealous only because he’s a Democrat. Those are the people that I was referring to .

So here's my twisted logic - I'm voting for Jealous because I don't think he has any chance of winning. I generally am fine with Hogan (other than the school calendar thing) and would rather he be governor than Jealous. But given that he is going to win anyways, I'll cast my vote symbolically for the Democrat, because the Republican party disgusts me and I really would rather not vote for anyone who affiliates with them.

Be careful with this..

Why? Jealous is not going to win. And even if he does, it is not the end of the world. Jealous appears to be a sane, rational, non-racist, non-corrupt, non-morally bankrupt individual. That meets my minimally acceptable standard for the holder of the Executive office.

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Anonymous wrote:Because we have the chance to elect the first Black governor in the history of Maryland, that's why.

Is throwing off the chains of racial oppression not a good enough reason?

If you still vote for hogan, how do you look yourself in a mirror and say you're NOT a racist a-hole? Because you can't. You had a chance to vote for a Black governor, but you didn't. You voted for another cracker, yet again.

You might as well just burn a cross in your front yard if you vote for hogan, because that's what you're saying.

Spare me the drama and victim mentality BS! I am black and I will vote for Hogan! No one gives a damn about Jealous' race or skin color. However, we do care about his warped policies that will hurt the state of Maryland. I vote base on policies and issues not ethnicity or race.

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Anonymous wrote:Hogan has continued to tout himself as the Education Governor while siphoning off money from MCPS schools.

The beltway widening/I270 widening ideas are election-year gimmicks that won't happen. If you think they will, please come find me, because I have some beachfront property to sell you in FL!

If that isn't enough for you, 2020 is when Maryland does redistricting.

And if that isn't enough for you, please move out of this blue county and into some crazy red county - we really don't want you here.

You think Jealous will be better? Two words - Kirwan Commission.

Also, Maryland is one of the poster children for gerrymandered districts. If we are going to complain about districts in red states, and insist on fairly drawn districts, we need to accept the (far fewer) instances that hurt Democrats.

You post about Jealous and the Kirwan Commission on every thread as if it's Mein Kampf. It affirms the importance of early childhood education, reiterates the need for highly qualified teachers and school leaders, explains the importance of coherent paths for both college bound and vocational track kids, talks about the importance of supporting at-risk students with resources, and supporting better governance and more accountability throughout the school system. I'm iin favor of all of that, and I'm for Jealous.
http://dls.maryland.gov/pubs/prod/NoPblTabMtg/CmsnInnovEduc/2018-Preliminary-Report-of-the-Commission.pdf

First, there are multiple people who refer to the Kirwan Commission. Second, your analogy to Nazi propaganda is not at all subtle, obviously intentional, and horribly offensive.

But on to the merits, I am also in favor of all the things you recited. But, I notice you didn't mention the how all that is paid for, and the impact on MCPS state educational funds. Are you in favor of that as well?

First the Kirwan Commission applies to Maryland, not just MCPS. Second, if you're going to explain that you're voting for Hogan because of the Kirwan Commission you should explain why you're against it, not just throw out words as if the Kirwan Commission is something toxic, which it is not, to those who value educational opportunities for children. Third, I believe there is ample room to expand funding for education in Maryland. We don't need to expand 270 (a Hogan priority) or build rural roads to nowhere (another Hogan priority). But if you prefer infrastructure over education, that's your prerogative.

Of course it applies to all of Maryland - that's the point. And again, you are avoiding the central question. General platitudes about "ample room to expand educational funding in Maryland" and "preferring education over infrastructure" are red herrings. The Kirwan Commission specifically calls for redirecting state educational funds from MCPS to other jurisdictions, leaving Montgomery County residents to make up the shortfall. I asked you a direct question before, and you declined to answer it, so I'll ask it again - are you in favor of that?

The Kirwan Comission calls for increased resources to low-performing jurisdictions which is something I'm in favor of. Kids need educational opportunities to have the chance at a good future.
You're making the assumption that state educational funds are fixed, which is probably a valid assumption under Hogan who could choose to allocate funds from other areas to education, but would prefer to see schools decline under his watch and spend money on a highway.

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I think I'm going to leave that one blank. I have a serious problem with Hogan's calendar mandate, both the substance of it and the interfering with local decisions (especially from a supposedly "small government" Republican--what a hypocrite). I can't vote for a Republican with the current state of the party, even though Hogan knows his audience and is not outwardly a Trump toady.

But Jealous is a useless candidate and Maryland has done fine under Hogan. I don't want to vote for Jealous, either.

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Anonymous wrote:I think I'm going to leave that one blank. I have a serious problem with Hogan's calendar mandate, both the substance of it and the interfering with local decisions (especially from a supposedly "small government" Republican--what a hypocrite). I can't vote for a Republican with the current state of the party, even though Hogan knows his audience and is not outwardly a Trump toady.

But Jealous is a useless candidate and Maryland has done fine under Hogan. I don't want to vote for Jealous, either.

Are you equally perturbed when in this case it is the Democrats opposing action on a state-wide level, which is contrary to their normal position of doing things at a state or even national level? (I actually agree with you on the calendar, but don't view it as that big of deal.)

Neither side in politics is internally consistent when it is convenient for them.

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Anonymous wrote:His plan to widen the beltway is a boondoggle that will ruin neighborhoods and some historic sites.

It needs to be widened, traffic is horrendous. Also supports the Purple Line which will help too. Every project ruins something, but if our population grows, we can't make do with the same old roads.

No it doesn't. We don't need LA style highways here. Building more roads like that is just an invitation to get more cars on the road. Invest in public transportation.

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Anonymous wrote:His plan to widen the beltway is a boondoggle that will ruin neighborhoods and some historic sites.

It needs to be widened, traffic is horrendous. Also supports the Purple Line which will help too. Every project ruins something, but if our population grows, we can't make do with the same old roads.

No it doesn't. We don't need LA style highways here. Building more roads like that is just an invitation to get more cars on the road. Invest in public transportation.

+1 Or better yet, invest in our kids and increase funding for education which has been declining under Hogan. That's the number 1 reason I'm not voting for Hogan.

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Anonymous wrote:His plan to widen the beltway is a boondoggle that will ruin neighborhoods and some historic sites.

It needs to be widened, traffic is horrendous. Also supports the Purple Line which will help too. Every project ruins something, but if our population grows, we can't make do with the same old roads.

No it doesn't. We don't need LA style highways here. Building more roads like that is just an invitation to get more cars on the road. Invest in public transportation.

+1 Or better yet, invest in our kids and increase funding for education which has been declining under Hogan. That's the number 1 reason I'm not voting for Hogan.

The #1 reason not to vote for Hogan is that he is a republican. I dont care WHO he is running against - in this political climate and with Trump in office we need to vote Democrat.

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Anonymous wrote:School rankings have declined every year since he became Governor. MD public schools were among the best in the nation and have slipped under his watch.

He has no leadership on education because he’s in the pocket of private school zealots.

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This is not on him. At least for MCPS, the decline started many years ago under Dem watch.

Teacher here. The decline started in part because school systems were told that they could not read the reading test on standardized assessments to ESOL and SN students. MD was one of the only states to allow that “accommodation” and when it stopped their test scores were a better indicator of their reading skills. It sheltered the school systems from years of bad national test scores.