Why aren't MoCo Dems rallying around Jealous for Governor?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because he's a bit too socialist and wants to redistribute our money? And Hogan is a centrist so much closer to mainstream Democrats, especially the wealthy ones in MoCo.

That’s so weird because I’m MoCo we have cluelessly voted in people who have taken our money and used it for high spend projects all in Silver Spring & Wheaton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So, Takoma Park/Silver Spring is to blame? It does seem that Gerogia Avenue to 16th street forms some kind of "woke" belt beginning in DC. Columbia Heights, Adams Morgan, Petworth, Downtown Silver Spring. A lot of young people out of college who care a lot about "social justice" but not enough about the burdens on the taxpayer

Yes but it isn't just the young voters thinking that they are social justice warriors. The old, older, middle age and young people in Takoma Park/Silver Spring do not see beyond their own little bubble area. They pressure local leaders to pour all the resources into their area forgetting any place further north. Germantown desperately needs help but to them its on another planet and not their concern. They see the west as their personal piggy bank with no amount too great as long as it contributes to the betterment of TP/SS. The kicker in respect to the "social justice warriors" in this area is that so many of the 30-40 somethings in that area are complete hypocrites. They want their schools and neighborhoods to have less poverty. They don't want to help the poor they want to move them somewhere else. They segregate terribly within their schools and then brag about loving diversity.

I don't know anyone in up county that wants to keep supporting this area. I'd guess the west is just as fed up.

I am at the point where I think MoCo schools are too big. The western half and the eastern half should separate. The problems are too vast and separate and the resources just can't cover the multitude of items that are needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And yet from perusing this particular forum, I get a sense that people are more fiscally moderate/conservative while socially liberal. A lot of Hogan/Floreen voters it seems.

FWIW, I have no dog in this fight, I live in Chevy Chase DC.
I just wonder out of curiosity if something in particular made this rightward turn, or if it is just this DCUM demographic.

Montgomery County has always had a majority of fiscally moderate/socially liberal voters. I don't think they have moved to the right but that the county level Democratic Party has moved further to the left and more importantly is really perceived to only care about and represent a small area Ehrlich -eastern county and Jealous-Blatimore. The leaders and policies are so concentrated in the east that there is dangerous bubble/echo chamber over there and they don't realize that they have lost the rest of the county.

Up county voters are frustrated that everything in the county funnels to the east. The county, BOE and MCPS basically ignore them even though there are schools in up county that have just as much poverty and crime as schools in the east. Up county voters see resources being taken away from their schools and poured into the eastern schools. They see that those resources end up being split between the needy kids in the DCC and providing special magnets or pull outs to convince wealthier DCC residents to stay in the area. The same goes for transportation where investment always goes into the east and up county is forgotten. They feel ignored and used.

West county voters are frustrated with the BOE/MCPS ignoring their needs and being at best antagonistic/worst hostile toward any needs from the west. Why support a candidate that is heavily connected to a group of people that hate you, want to take down your schools and get whatever they can from you?

If the county/BOE put forward a targeted increase that would shrink class sizes and improve teacher/student ratios -equally across the county, it would win in a heart beat. Even if for some reason it didn't pass, just the appearance that someone in the county council or BOE have two hoots about the rest of the county would go far. However with the current leadership, this would never happen. It would be turned into Saturday school only for Silver Spring or expansion of a magnet only in the DCC. A vote for "education" would never improve the education in your area -in fact chances are that you would be voting to lesson the quality of education in your area.

Mathis is apparently what you get when you vote in County Council at large reps from Takoma Park apparently. They have literally shamelessly raped the rest of the county for their own gain.
Bethesda feels the same way with endless high rise structures built everywhere (a new one a day) despite our roads and schools already being clogged. On a road where traffic backs up in 20 minutes backups through a neighborhood (Fernwood rd) they are going to put some 900 new residences and no new roads. They could easily add an access road either to the beltway or to Democracy lane but nope - everyone’s going to drive on through the neighborhood. They are adding a school but on half the property usually allocated to a school. Green space? The gutters count as greenspace. Have to keep their developer friends happy!

High rise apartments and office buildings in downtown Bethesda without adequate parks or recreation facility for the people in the community whereas apparently Silver Spring has 8 Rec centers and tons of new parks? Everyone in Bethesda crowds into the tiny old YMCA facility that we pay for privately but that’s ok, we’re all rich and we don’t deserve anything after paying our 16k/year in property taxes for our tiny old house. Because ... ?? Apparently because we don’t have representation on the county council or with the county executive. Because apparently our county council rep all these years must have been a huge weenie - why did we vote him in?

Must be the same for Poolesville that has a high school with an old with leaking roof and tons of other issues but they don’t rate either. Just fork over your tax dollars to Silver Spring and Takoma because they deserve it and you don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, Takoma Park/Silver Spring is to blame? It does seem that Gerogia Avenue to 16th street forms some kind of "woke" belt beginning in DC. Columbia Heights, Adams Morgan, Petworth, Downtown Silver Spring. A lot of young people out of college who care a lot about "social justice" but not enough about the burdens on the taxpayer

Yes but it isn't just the young voters thinking that they are social justice warriors. The old, older, middle age and young people in Takoma Park/Silver Spring do not see beyond their own little bubble area. They pressure local leaders to pour all the resources into their area forgetting any place further north. Germantown desperately needs help but to them its on another planet and not their concern. They see the west as their personal piggy bank with no amount too great as long as it contributes to the betterment of TP/SS. The kicker in respect to the "social justice warriors" in this area is that so many of the 30-40 somethings in that area are complete hypocrites. They want their schools and neighborhoods to have less poverty. They don't want to help the poor they want to move them somewhere else. They segregate terribly within their schools and then brag about loving diversity.

I don't know anyone in up county that wants to keep supporting this area. I'd guess the west is just as fed up.

I am at the point where I think MoCo schools are too big. The western half and the eastern half should separate. The problems are too vast and separate and the resources just can't cover the multitude of items that are needed.

Please take Bethesda with you...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And yet from perusing this particular forum, I get a sense that people are more fiscally moderate/conservative while socially liberal. A lot of Hogan/Floreen voters it seems.

FWIW, I have no dog in this fight, I live in Chevy Chase DC.
I just wonder out of curiosity if something in particular made this rightward turn, or if it is just this DCUM demographic.

Montgomery County has always had a majority of fiscally moderate/socially liberal voters. I don't think they have moved to the right but that the county level Democratic Party has moved further to the left and more importantly is really perceived to only care about and represent a small area Ehrlich -eastern county and Jealous-Blatimore. The leaders and policies are so concentrated in the east that there is dangerous bubble/echo chamber over there and they don't realize that they have lost the rest of the county.

Up county voters are frustrated that everything in the county funnels to the east. The county, BOE and MCPS basically ignore them even though there are schools in up county that have just as much poverty and crime as schools in the east. Up county voters see resources being taken away from their schools and poured into the eastern schools. They see that those resources end up being split between the needy kids in the DCC and providing special magnets or pull outs to convince wealthier DCC residents to stay in the area. The same goes for transportation where investment always goes into the east and up county is forgotten. They feel ignored and used.

West county voters are frustrated with the BOE/MCPS ignoring their needs and being at best antagonistic/worst hostile toward any needs from the west. Why support a candidate that is heavily connected to a group of people that hate you, want to take down your schools and get whatever they can from you?

If the county/BOE put forward a targeted increase that would shrink class sizes and improve teacher/student ratios -equally across the county, it would win in a heart beat. Even if for some reason it didn't pass, just the appearance that someone in the county council or BOE have two hoots about the rest of the county would go far. However with the current leadership, this would never happen. It would be turned into Saturday school only for Silver Spring or expansion of a magnet only in the DCC. A vote for "education" would never improve the education in your area -in fact chances are that you would be voting to lesson the quality of education in your area.

Yes, but what would keep Nancy Navarro from ‘crying on the dais’ about her poor suffering constituents and getting all of the money for Silver Spring schools only? A good crying fit always wins you know.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Beat/2018/Council-Members-Seek-Alternative-To-Delaying-Renovations-at-Col-E-Brooke-Lee-Middle/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And yet from perusing this particular forum, I get a sense that people are more fiscally moderate/conservative while socially liberal. A lot of Hogan/Floreen voters it seems.

FWIW, I have no dog in this fight, I live in Chevy Chase DC.
I just wonder out of curiosity if something in particular made this rightward turn, or if it is just this DCUM demographic.

Montgomery County has always had a majority of fiscally moderate/socially liberal voters. I don't think they have moved to the right but that the county level Democratic Party has moved further to the left and more importantly is really perceived to only care about and represent a small area Ehrlich -eastern county and Jealous-Blatimore. The leaders and policies are so concentrated in the east that there is dangerous bubble/echo chamber over there and they don't realize that they have lost the rest of the county.

Up county voters are frustrated that everything in the county funnels to the east. The county, BOE and MCPS basically ignore them even though there are schools in up county that have just as much poverty and crime as schools in the east. Up county voters see resources being taken away from their schools and poured into the eastern schools. They see that those resources end up being split between the needy kids in the DCC and providing special magnets or pull outs to convince wealthier DCC residents to stay in the area. The same goes for transportation where investment always goes into the east and up county is forgotten. They feel ignored and used.

West county voters are frustrated with the BOE/MCPS ignoring their needs and being at best antagonistic/worst hostile toward any needs from the west. Why support a candidate that is heavily connected to a group of people that hate you, want to take down your schools and get whatever they can from you?

If the county/BOE put forward a targeted increase that would shrink class sizes and improve teacher/student ratios -equally across the county, it would win in a heart beat. Even if for some reason it didn't pass, just the appearance that someone in the county council or BOE have two hoots about the rest of the county would go far. However with the current leadership, this would never happen. It would be turned into Saturday school only for Silver Spring or expansion of a magnet only in the DCC. A vote for "education" would never improve the education in your area -in fact chances are that you would be voting to lesson the quality of education in your area.

Yes, but what would keep Nancy Navarro from ‘crying on the dais’ about her poor suffering constituents and getting all of the money for Silver Spring schools only? A good crying fit always wins you know.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Beat/2018/Council-Members-Seek-Alternative-To-Delaying-Renovations-at-Col-E-Brooke-Lee-Middle/

You see maybe, Poolesville people, you could all go cry on her dais and get somewhere?

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/parents-frustrated-after-school-district-scraps-much-needed-repairs-at-poolesville-high-school

[Anonymous]

We already pay enough taxes and overspend on social projects. We need a business friendly climate in this state if we want maintain an endless piggybank for social projects for our massively increasing population in poverty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And yet from perusing this particular forum, I get a sense that people are more fiscally moderate/conservative while socially liberal. A lot of Hogan/Floreen voters it seems.

FWIW, I have no dog in this fight, I live in Chevy Chase DC.
I just wonder out of curiosity if something in particular made this rightward turn, or if it is just this DCUM demographic.

Montgomery County has always had a majority of fiscally moderate/socially liberal voters. I don't think they have moved to the right but that the county level Democratic Party has moved further to the left and more importantly is really perceived to only care about and represent a small area Ehrlich -eastern county and Jealous-Blatimore. The leaders and policies are so concentrated in the east that there is dangerous bubble/echo chamber over there and they don't realize that they have lost the rest of the county.

Up county voters are frustrated that everything in the county funnels to the east. The county, BOE and MCPS basically ignore them even though there are schools in up county that have just as much poverty and crime as schools in the east. Up county voters see resources being taken away from their schools and poured into the eastern schools. They see that those resources end up being split between the needy kids in the DCC and providing special magnets or pull outs to convince wealthier DCC residents to stay in the area. The same goes for transportation where investment always goes into the east and up county is forgotten. They feel ignored and used.

West county voters are frustrated with the BOE/MCPS ignoring their needs and being at best antagonistic/worst hostile toward any needs from the west. Why support a candidate that is heavily connected to a group of people that hate you, want to take down your schools and get whatever they can from you?

If the county/BOE put forward a targeted increase that would shrink class sizes and improve teacher/student ratios -equally across the county, it would win in a heart beat. Even if for some reason it didn't pass, just the appearance that someone in the county council or BOE have two hoots about the rest of the county would go far. However with the current leadership, this would never happen. It would be turned into Saturday school only for Silver Spring or expansion of a magnet only in the DCC. A vote for "education" would never improve the education in your area -in fact chances are that you would be voting to lesson the quality of education in your area.

Mathis is apparently what you get when you vote in County Council at large reps from Takoma Park apparently. They have literally shamelessly raped the rest of the county for their own gain.
Bethesda feels the same way with endless high rise structures built everywhere (a new one a day) despite our roads and schools already being clogged. On a road where traffic backs up in 20 minutes backups through a neighborhood (Fernwood rd) they are going to put some 900 new residences and no new roads. They could easily add an access road either to the beltway or to Democracy lane but nope - everyone’s going to drive on through the neighborhood. They are adding a school but on half the property usually allocated to a school. Green space? The gutters count as greenspace. Have to keep their developer friends happy!

High rise apartments and office buildings in downtown Bethesda without adequate parks or recreation facility for the people in the community whereas apparently Silver Spring has 8 Rec centers and tons of new parks? Everyone in Bethesda crowds into the tiny old YMCA facility that we pay for privately but that’s ok, we’re all rich and we don’t deserve anything after paying our 16k/year in property taxes for our tiny old house. Because ... ?? Apparently because we don’t have representation on the county council or with the county executive. Because apparently our county council rep all these years must have been a huge weenie - why did we vote him in?

Must be the same for Poolesville that has a high school with an old with leaking roof and tons of other issues but they don’t rate either. Just fork over your tax dollars to Silver Spring and Takoma because they deserve it and you don’t.

So - Elrich wants to make sure that adequate public facilities and infrastructure is added before huge new dense developments are built and Floreen and the rest of the council all voted no? How could anyone vote for Nancy Floreen or any of the other development bought politicians? And the Washington Post is now owned by a man who is similarly buying up everything to enrich himself only so now I understand their endorsement of Floreen.

Don’t be dumb with your tax dollars and communities - vote Elrich.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/Elrich/Resources/Files/pdf/SSPNoVoteExplained.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And yet from perusing this particular forum, I get a sense that people are more fiscally moderate/conservative while socially liberal. A lot of Hogan/Floreen voters it seems.

FWIW, I have no dog in this fight, I live in Chevy Chase DC.
I just wonder out of curiosity if something in particular made this rightward turn, or if it is just this DCUM demographic.

Montgomery County has always had a majority of fiscally moderate/socially liberal voters. I don't think they have moved to the right but that the county level Democratic Party has moved further to the left and more importantly is really perceived to only care about and represent a small area Ehrlich -eastern county and Jealous-Blatimore. The leaders and policies are so concentrated in the east that there is dangerous bubble/echo chamber over there and they don't realize that they have lost the rest of the county.

Up county voters are frustrated that everything in the county funnels to the east. The county, BOE and MCPS basically ignore them even though there are schools in up county that have just as much poverty and crime as schools in the east. Up county voters see resources being taken away from their schools and poured into the eastern schools. They see that those resources end up being split between the needy kids in the DCC and providing special magnets or pull outs to convince wealthier DCC residents to stay in the area. The same goes for transportation where investment always goes into the east and up county is forgotten. They feel ignored and used.

West county voters are frustrated with the BOE/MCPS ignoring their needs and being at best antagonistic/worst hostile toward any needs from the west. Why support a candidate that is heavily connected to a group of people that hate you, want to take down your schools and get whatever they can from you?

If the county/BOE put forward a targeted increase that would shrink class sizes and improve teacher/student ratios -equally across the county, it would win in a heart beat. Even if for some reason it didn't pass, just the appearance that someone in the county council or BOE have two hoots about the rest of the county would go far. However with the current leadership, this would never happen. It would be turned into Saturday school only for Silver Spring or expansion of a magnet only in the DCC. A vote for "education" would never improve the education in your area -in fact chances are that you would be voting to lesson the quality of education in your area.

Mathis is apparently what you get when you vote in County Council at large reps from Takoma Park apparently. They have literally shamelessly raped the rest of the county for their own gain.
Bethesda feels the same way with endless high rise structures built everywhere (a new one a day) despite our roads and schools already being clogged. On a road where traffic backs up in 20 minutes backups through a neighborhood (Fernwood rd) they are going to put some 900 new residences and no new roads. They could easily add an access road either to the beltway or to Democracy lane but nope - everyone’s going to drive on through the neighborhood. They are adding a school but on half the property usually allocated to a school. Green space? The gutters count as greenspace. Have to keep their developer friends happy!

High rise apartments and office buildings in downtown Bethesda without adequate parks or recreation facility for the people in the community whereas apparently Silver Spring has 8 Rec centers and tons of new parks? Everyone in Bethesda crowds into the tiny old YMCA facility that we pay for privately but that’s ok, we’re all rich and we don’t deserve anything after paying our 16k/year in property taxes for our tiny old house. Because ... ?? Apparently because we don’t have representation on the county council or with the county executive. Because apparently our county council rep all these years must have been a huge weenie - why did we vote him in?

Must be the same for Poolesville that has a high school with an old with leaking roof and tons of other issues but they don’t rate either. Just fork over your tax dollars to Silver Spring and Takoma because they deserve it and you don’t.

So - Elrich wants to make sure that adequate public facilities and infrastructure is added before huge new dense developments are built and Floreen and the rest of the council all voted no? How could anyone vote for Nancy Floreen or any of the other development bought politicians? And the Washington Post is now owned by a man who is similarly buying up everything to enrich himself only so now I understand their endorsement of Floreen.

Don’t be dumb with your tax dollars and communities - vote Elrich.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/Elrich/Resources/Files/pdf/SSPNoVoteExplained.pdf

And Hogan

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And yet from perusing this particular forum, I get a sense that people are more fiscally moderate/conservative while socially liberal. A lot of Hogan/Floreen voters it seems.

FWIW, I have no dog in this fight, I live in Chevy Chase DC.
I just wonder out of curiosity if something in particular made this rightward turn, or if it is just this DCUM demographic.

Montgomery County has always had a majority of fiscally moderate/socially liberal voters. I don't think they have moved to the right but that the county level Democratic Party has moved further to the left and more importantly is really perceived to only care about and represent a small area Ehrlich -eastern county and Jealous-Blatimore. The leaders and policies are so concentrated in the east that there is dangerous bubble/echo chamber over there and they don't realize that they have lost the rest of the county.

Up county voters are frustrated that everything in the county funnels to the east. The county, BOE and MCPS basically ignore them even though there are schools in up county that have just as much poverty and crime as schools in the east. Up county voters see resources being taken away from their schools and poured into the eastern schools. They see that those resources end up being split between the needy kids in the DCC and providing special magnets or pull outs to convince wealthier DCC residents to stay in the area. The same goes for transportation where investment always goes into the east and up county is forgotten. They feel ignored and used.

West county voters are frustrated with the BOE/MCPS ignoring their needs and being at best antagonistic/worst hostile toward any needs from the west. Why support a candidate that is heavily connected to a group of people that hate you, want to take down your schools and get whatever they can from you?

If the county/BOE put forward a targeted increase that would shrink class sizes and improve teacher/student ratios -equally across the county, it would win in a heart beat. Even if for some reason it didn't pass, just the appearance that someone in the county council or BOE have two hoots about the rest of the county would go far. However with the current leadership, this would never happen. It would be turned into Saturday school only for Silver Spring or expansion of a magnet only in the DCC. A vote for "education" would never improve the education in your area -in fact chances are that you would be voting to lesson the quality of education in your area.

Mathis is apparently what you get when you vote in County Council at large reps from Takoma Park apparently. They have literally shamelessly raped the rest of the county for their own gain.
Bethesda feels the same way with endless high rise structures built everywhere (a new one a day) despite our roads and schools already being clogged. On a road where traffic backs up in 20 minutes backups through a neighborhood (Fernwood rd) they are going to put some 900 new residences and no new roads. They could easily add an access road either to the beltway or to Democracy lane but nope - everyone’s going to drive on through the neighborhood. They are adding a school but on half the property usually allocated to a school. Green space? The gutters count as greenspace. Have to keep their developer friends happy!

High rise apartments and office buildings in downtown Bethesda without adequate parks or recreation facility for the people in the community whereas apparently Silver Spring has 8 Rec centers and tons of new parks? Everyone in Bethesda crowds into the tiny old YMCA facility that we pay for privately but that’s ok, we’re all rich and we don’t deserve anything after paying our 16k/year in property taxes for our tiny old house. Because ... ?? Apparently because we don’t have representation on the county council or with the county executive. Because apparently our county council rep all these years must have been a huge weenie - why did we vote him in?

Must be the same for Poolesville that has a high school with an old with leaking roof and tons of other issues but they don’t rate either. Just fork over your tax dollars to Silver Spring and Takoma because they deserve it and you don’t.

So - Elrich wants to make sure that adequate public facilities and infrastructure is added before huge new dense developments are built and Floreen and the rest of the council all voted no? How could anyone vote for Nancy Floreen or any of the other development bought politicians? And the Washington Post is now owned by a man who is similarly buying up everything to enrich himself only so now I understand their endorsement of Floreen.

Don’t be dumb with your tax dollars and communities - vote Elrich.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/Elrich/Resources/Files/pdf/SSPNoVoteExplained.pdf

No thanks, he wants the price of housing to go up. We need more housing to keep prices DOWN.

[Anonymous]

Upcounty resident here and long time MOCO resident. I'm totally voting for Hogan and everyone I know is too. Well, with the exception of one person who is in her mid-50s and without kids.

[Anonymous]

Is there more to this video or does Ben Jealous not know what state he’s running for? Please tell me there is more to the story ...

https://www.facebook.com/LarryHogan/videos/491033201400737/

[Anonymous]

Jealous has practically pulled within the margin of error statewide against hogan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jealous has practically pulled within the margin of error statewide against hogan.

Really? Today’s Post said he is behind by double digits.

[Anonymous]

I am voting for Jealous, to ensure the removal of Republicans moderates such as myself have to vote for progressives and progressives have to vote for moderates.

No need to act like a reverse Bernie Bro.