229 Teachers RIFed, see DC Wire for full story

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I don't know...people get layed off all the time...even teachers.

And maybe they got rid of some crappy teachers. Some teachers really do suck. Quantity does not equal quality. So if a teacher has been there for 20 yrs it doesn't mean she has been doing the job well or right, it just means she has been there for along time.


Have you bothered to read any personal stories like the one posted in this thread? Or did you just jump in without assessing the situation, on the assumption that your desire to express your opinion automatically meant it was of value to anyone other than you?
Anonymous
It's all a question of priorities.
If budgets have to be cut, then do it, but why make the children suffer.
Cut some other services.
Give up useless things like the war
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It's all a question of priorities.
If budgets have to be cut, then do it, but why make the children suffer.
Cut some other services.
Give up useless things like the war


Wait a minute. The war (in Iraq or in Afganistan, btw?) is being funded as a line-item in the DCPS budget? Who knew? Thank goodness we've got a crack forensic accountant like you on board DCUM!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't know...people get layed off all the time...even teachers.

And maybe they got rid of some crappy teachers. Some teachers really do suck. Quantity does not equal quality. So if a teacher has been there for 20 yrs it doesn't mean she has been doing the job well or right, it just means she has been there for along time.


Have you bothered to read any personal stories like the one posted in this thread? Or did you just jump in without assessing the situation, on the assumption that your desire to express your opinion automatically meant it was of value to anyone other than you?


Believe or not, not everyone feels the same way about the "destruction" of DCPS by Rhee. Their opinions are just as legitimate as yours. The sentiment on DCUM is so anti-Rhee and Fenty, the folks that don't agree just don't bother to post. Your post is a good example why not.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't know...people get layed off all the time...even teachers.

And maybe they got rid of some crappy teachers. Some teachers really do suck. Quantity does not equal quality. So if a teacher has been there for 20 yrs it doesn't mean she has been doing the job well or right, it just means she has been there for along time.


Have you bothered to read any personal stories like the one posted in this thread? Or did you just jump in without assessing the situation, on the assumption that your desire to express your opinion automatically meant it was of value to anyone other than you?


Believe or not, not everyone feels the same way about the "destruction" of DCPS by Rhee. Their opinions are just as legitimate as yours. The sentiment on DCUM is so anti-Rhee and Fenty, the folks that don't agree just don't bother to post. Your post is a good example why not.


Agree!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't know...people get layed off all the time...even teachers.

And maybe they got rid of some crappy teachers. Some teachers really do suck. Quantity does not equal quality. So if a teacher has been there for 20 yrs it doesn't mean she has been doing the job well or right, it just means she has been there for along time.


Have you bothered to read any personal stories like the one posted in this thread? Or did you just jump in without assessing the situation, on the assumption that your desire to express your opinion automatically meant it was of value to anyone other than you?


Believe or not, not everyone feels the same way about the "destruction" of DCPS by Rhee. Their opinions are just as legitimate as yours. The sentiment on DCUM is so anti-Rhee and Fenty, the folks that don't agree just don't bother to post. Your post is a good example why not.


If you don't find the firing of a dedicated teacher with excellent performance reviews and who spent her own money in the classroom and who hadn't been evaluated for even 5 minutes by her own administration to be destructive, then how exactly would you characterize it?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I don't know...people get layed off all the time...even teachers.

And maybe they got rid of some crappy teachers. Some teachers really do suck. Quantity does not equal quality. So if a teacher has been there for 20 yrs it doesn't mean she has been doing the job well or right, it just means she has been there for along time.




"crappy" "suck"

some posters are verbally bankrupt.
Anonymous
I hope people who agree with Rhee and Fenty's policies do post--I would like to see the light. I think there is such anti-Rhee sentiment as so many of us are pretty versed in school politicy because we have to be -- we have invested a great deal of ourselves and our children in area schools, have researched the issues, and are peeling back the onion on Rhee's 'reforms'. When they negatively impact schools where we have given countless volunteer or professional hours, or our own children, we speak up. Everyone knows DCPS is abysmal, which is why any more blows hurt so much! If there are other points of view speak up. Personally, I was content with Janey. He seemed in it for the school system, not his national media profile. I truly believe that DC schools --already such a political football--need a true educator steward who also had good business/management sense. A rare breed, but surely not impossible to find in a nation of 300+ million? Why did we roll the dice with Rhee, with 3 years of teaching through TFA, and an immediate jump to running her own education service? I know people like this. They are focused on telling others how to serve, not serving themselves. If she was so invested in inner city education, maybe she would have stuck around Baltimore a few more years as a rank and file teacher to really make a difference in kids' lives....
Anonymous
They rolled the dice with Rhee because she was going to shake things up. I also liked Dr. Janney, but things moved very slowly. While I am sympathetic to anyone that loses their job, we all have to agree that a big part of the success in the classroom lies with the teacher. DCPS needs dramatic changes and change hurts. This happens all the time in the private sector - either you perform or you are out.

I also disagree with the sentiments that Rhee is not in this for the kids. Yes she likes media attention, but I disagree that it is all about her. The problem of terrible schools in urban areas is a nationwide problem and more folks need to understand how dire the situation is. I also think she does a good job of bringing out the complexities of race and poverty. She would not be in DC if she weren't invested in inner city education.

There are some really CRAPPY teachers in DCPS. You can't tell me that every single teacher that has been laid off had an excellent performance rating - I don't believe it.

Even though I would not describe myself as a Rhee booster, I do get sick of the anti-Rhee sentiments that only focus on her personality. DCPS parents that are happy with their schools need to hear concrete examples of what is going on in other parts of the city. This incessant whining is annoying.
Anonymous
6:29, well said.

And yes, if you're still pro-Rhee and have an argument beyond "the last best chance for DCPS" I would truly like to hear it.

As for DCUM being anti-Rhee, that's interesting. My general take was most posters on these boards were in the bag for her. I know I was, until her policies started causing damage to the school my children attend.

Given that she is a darling of the national media and the Washington Post, I find it somewhat refreshing that there is a place where she can actually be criticized without bringing her "candor" down on the head of local school staff.

If the disgust over Rhee expressed on this board has silenced her cheerleaders, I suppose that's too bad... However, judging from the editorials in the Post, those that wield power in DC are still enchanted by her. Of course the Post editorial board would never dream of using DCPS, but that's another thread entirely.
Anonymous
What I don't get is that this was actually a DC Council decision. They yanked millions from the school budget and told the schools to deal with it. Our school sent a letter about what the shortfall was for our school based upon enrollment figures.

As someone who works at a non-profit that had to do our first RIF during the year, I know first hand that even organizations that care deeply for our employees have to make tough choices that no one will be happy about. In our case, it was heart wrenching. But the RIF happened in our case because the money wasn't there. Not after we started rationing office supplies, nor after we cut back on the budgets for necessary staff travel, nor after we got rid of our good coffee makers. After we'd trimmed everything, we still had a RIF.

So DC pulled the money, many teachers had to go, and as it turns out, not all of the teachers who had to go were bad teachers. At my org, maybe two of the 15 RIFfed were bad employees. THe RIF didn't eliminate bad eggs but the less necessary positions-- all of which had felt necessary before the economy tanked.

Wake up and realize that this is about tax revenues and not whether you like Rhee. Somebody had to go because there was no money to pay. Just like in any field.

Except that this is our kids, and the Council f---ed them over.
Anonymous
They didn't need to let them go after school started. This could have been taken care of over the summer. DCPS hired 900 new people since June and then just let nearly 300 go. Very, very poor planning, especially since everyone saw this coming.

The Chancellor blew this one and kids are being hurt because of it.
Anonymous
as i understand it, the council made it plain a long time ago that this was coming. and rhee chose to hire anyway. also, i wouldn't lay the blame at the feet of the council. like you say in your message, if there is no money, then there is no money. they can't make it fall from the sky either.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What I don't get is that this was actually a DC Council decision. They yanked millions from the school budget and told the schools to deal with it. Our school sent a letter about what the shortfall was for our school based upon enrollment figures.

As someone who works at a non-profit that had to do our first RIF during the year, I know first hand that even organizations that care deeply for our employees have to make tough choices that no one will be happy about. In our case, it was heart wrenching. But the RIF happened in our case because the money wasn't there. Not after we started rationing office supplies, nor after we cut back on the budgets for necessary staff travel, nor after we got rid of our good coffee makers. After we'd trimmed everything, we still had a RIF.

So DC pulled the money, many teachers had to go, and as it turns out, not all of the teachers who had to go were bad teachers. At my org, maybe two of the 15 RIFfed were bad employees. THe RIF didn't eliminate bad eggs but the less necessary positions-- all of which had felt necessary before the economy tanked.

Wake up and realize that this is about tax revenues and not whether you like Rhee. Somebody had to go because there was no money to pay. Just like in any field.

Except that this is our kids, and the Council f---ed them over.


Sorry, but I think you have your facts wrong. Council did not screw this one up. Council gave DCPS the same monies provided last year, nothing more, nothing less. Moreover, Rhee knew about her budget long before school started. She waited three weeks into the school year to either figure out her budgetary needs or attempt to make a political statement. Either she was managerial incompetent with her budget or she figured Council would not fight back. Councilchair Gray put out a statement with the facts , including a dated letter, he sent to Rhee in July. So, she knew and it was her fuck up.
Anonymous
The Council's perspective on DCPS budget

PRESS RELEASE
Council of the District of Columbia
Office of Chairman Vincent C. Gray
The John A. Wilson Building
1350 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20004
____________________________________________________________________________
_______________________
For Immediate Release:
Contact: Doxie A. McCoy
September 17, 2009
202-724-8032

202-664-9862

dmccoy@...


Chairman Gray Challenges Mayor and Chancellor's Assertion the Council
Reduced DCPS Budget for Fiscal Year 2010

Washington DC -- Mayor Adrian M. Fenty and Chancellor Michelle Rhee
announced yesterday (Wednesday) the
annual DCPS Equalization Process has begun, and according to them, as a
result, DCPS must conduct a reduction-
in-force (RIF) and decrease individual school budgets because the Council
of the District of Columbia reduced the
DCPS FY 10 budget. Chairman Gray today released the following statement to
provide clarifying facts so the public
is not misled about the Council's involvement in this Fenty Administration
policy decision.

The Council approved a $770 million budget for DCPS for FY 10 based on the
per pupil student funding formula of
$8,945 per student and a projected enrollment of 44,681 students in school
year (SY) 2009-10.

The proposed budget for public education, including DCPS and charter
schools, projected an enrollment increase
which equated to $27.5 million. The Council questioned the validity of
that increase because DCPS enrollment
historically has declined over the past 10 years. Therefore, it set aside
the $27.5 million until the actual enrollment
could be substantiated.

On June 1, 2009, after the Chairman convened a meeting to discuss public
school enrollment projections for SY 09-
10, the Chancellor wrote a letter to him that stated, "I understand and
recognize that questioning the DCPS
enrollment projections is both warranted and appropriate. The current
economic crisis only heightens the
importance of the enrollment projections. I understand your hesitance to
accept the projected increase in
enrollment across the District. I cannot guarantee that this will occur.
To that end, we concur in the following
proposal:

1) For fiscal year 2010, DCPS is funded at the audited
enrollment figure approved by the independent auditor
and based upon the verified October 6, 2008 count of 44,681 students."

Based on this agreement, $24 million of the $27.5 million that was set
aside was restored to the public education
budget. Now the Mayor and Chancellor claim the Council "cut" $3.5 million
($27.5 million - $24 million) from the
DCPS budget even though the Chancellor concurred with funding in accord
with the most recent audited enrollment.

In response to new revenue reductions provided by the Chief Financial
Officer in late June, the Council also decided
to not provide an inflation adjustment of 2 percent as originally proposed
in the FY 10 budget ($8.1 million total),
and reduced the budget for summer school by 50 percent ($9.1 million
total). The Council is currently researching
ways to restore funding for summer school, which does not begin until late
June 2010.

Since the Council funded the public schools at last year's levels and with
inflation holding constant, there was no
reduction in the DCPS budget as the Mayor and Chancellor portray it. And,
the Chairman is perplexed how a
reduction in summer school funding (1.2 percent of the total DCPS budget)
requires principals to reduce their
budgets and for teachers to be RIF'd. He is alarmed the Administration
informed principals to plan for drastic
reductions in their budgets - effectively exploiting the city's fiscal
situation to implement its desired reductions in
the teacher workforce.

The $20.7 million ($3.5 million + $8.1 million + $9.1 million) the Fenty
Administration alleges the Council "cut" is
2.7 percent of the DCPS FY 10 budget-hardly a substantial sum that has to
be recouped by firing teachers. Clearly,
the Chancellor wanted to fire these "excessed" teachers and is seeking to
scapegoat the Council for her policy
decision.

The Council approved a balanced budget for FY 10 that preserves the
long-term fiscal stability of the city while
funding the District of Columbia Public Schools and charter schools at last
year's funding levels. While these teacher
dismissals are within the Mayor's purview, the Council strenuously
disagrees with the unilateral decision to reduce
the teacher workforce and cut local school budgets, and will not allow the
Mayor and Chancellor to place the blame
for these decisions at the Council's doorstep.

Moreover, in his review of the FY 10 budget in the aftermath of the
Council's action on July 31, the Mayor vetoed
one item-the budget for the State Board of Education. In his letter of
August 26 to the Chairman communicating the
line-item veto, the Mayor not only approved the DCPS budget but made no
reference to the DCPS budget
whatsoever.

"In the midst of our nation's worse economic recession since the Great
Depression, and at a time when states and
cities are being forced to drastically slash their education budgets,
layoff teachers, and delay the start of school, the
Council found a way to fully fund the public education budget at last
year's levels while effectively closing a budget
gap of nearly $140 million," Chairman Gray said. "The Mayor and
Chancellor's attempts to characterize the Council's
action as a reduction are disingenuous and simply not accurate."

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