APS: Can we just move Key to ATS and get rid of the Traditional program?

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And while it may be a great program, it is t anywhere near the largest school but consumes the most number of buses (even of the all the option schools). It needs to go in this current environment. Or at a minimum be debated. This whole thing APS is doing is a farce. They claim they are looking at everything yet won’t take a hard look at the value of the option programs. Bunch of wimps.

Yeah! If you're a poor kid sucking up vital APS resources, you only deserve to go to a school that you've been redlined to and you can walk there with all of your poor neighbors, even if that means your mom loses a half hour of wages to escort you there!!!!! MAGA

If the kids who were transferring there from overcrowded schools were all ED, I might feel differently, but the families I know from South Arlington who transferred weren't -- they didn't like their neighborhood schools but weren't willing to pay to move because that would have but into their vacation budgets.

Does APS collect long-term data on ATS graduates? I don't care what someone's elementary SOLs are. I want to know if they outperformed other members of their demographic by the end of high school (because the ones I know didn't).

ATS has a 26.3% FARMS rate. That tends to suggests that it's not all affluent families who don't like their neighborhood schools.

It’s actually 19%, but honestly we knew a lot of people who quailify for FARMs that made professional money ($80k) but in Arlington is below the threshold for affordable housing and reduced lunch. You have one parent work, one SAH, have affordable housing in part of town with mediocre schools, and win this lottery so you don’t end up moving to Fairfax or getting a second job. See the same thing happen with many grad students with kids...

https://housing.arlingtonva.us/income-rent-limits/

Per APS, as of 10/31/17, the ATS FARMS rate is 26.3%.

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/FREE-REDUCED-OCTOBER-31-2017.pdf

I was going by GS, so sure. https://www.greatschools.org/virginia/arlington/127-Arlington-Traditional/

The GS data is from 2015. You're really not good at this.

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And while it may be a great program, it is t anywhere near the largest school but consumes the most number of buses (even of the all the option schools). It needs to go in this current environment. Or at a minimum be debated. This whole thing APS is doing is a farce. They claim they are looking at everything yet won’t take a hard look at the value of the option programs. Bunch of wimps.

Yeah! If you're a poor kid sucking up vital APS resources, you only deserve to go to a school that you've been redlined to and you can walk there with all of your poor neighbors, even if that means your mom loses a half hour of wages to escort you there!!!!! MAGA

If the kids who were transferring there from overcrowded schools were all ED, I might feel differently, but the families I know from South Arlington who transferred weren't -- they didn't like their neighborhood schools but weren't willing to pay to move because that would have but into their vacation budgets.

Does APS collect long-term data on ATS graduates? I don't care what someone's elementary SOLs are. I want to know if they outperformed other members of their demographic by the end of high school (because the ones I know didn't).

ATS has a 26.3% FARMS rate. That tends to suggests that it's not all affluent families who don't like their neighborhood schools.

It’s actually 19%, but honestly we knew a lot of people who quailify for FARMs that made professional money ($80k) but in Arlington is below the threshold for affordable housing and reduced lunch. You have one parent work, one SAH, have affordable housing in part of town with mediocre schools, and win this lottery so you don’t end up moving to Fairfax or getting a second job. See the same thing happen with many grad students with kids...

https://housing.arlingtonva.us/income-rent-limits/

You have no idea what you are talking about. Free and Reduced Meals eligibility is based on the Federal Income Eligibility Guidelines. For a family of four to qualify for reduced price meals for this school year, they can have an annual income of no more than $45,510. To qualify for free meals, their annual income can be no more than $31,980.

That is exactly why they like to be paid in cash....

[Anonymous]

Ummmm the Great School rating system is also based on reviews, we all know the ATS constant self cheerleading is a part of this.

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And while it may be a great program, it is t anywhere near the largest school but consumes the most number of buses (even of the all the option schools). It needs to go in this current environment. Or at a minimum be debated. This whole thing APS is doing is a farce. They claim they are looking at everything yet won’t take a hard look at the value of the option programs. Bunch of wimps.

Yeah! If you're a poor kid sucking up vital APS resources, you only deserve to go to a school that you've been redlined to and you can walk there with all of your poor neighbors, even if that means your mom loses a half hour of wages to escort you there!!!!! MAGA

If the kids who were transferring there from overcrowded schools were all ED, I might feel differently, but the families I know from South Arlington who transferred weren't -- they didn't like their neighborhood schools but weren't willing to pay to move because that would have but into their vacation budgets.

Does APS collect long-term data on ATS graduates? I don't care what someone's elementary SOLs are. I want to know if they outperformed other members of their demographic by the end of high school (because the ones I know didn't).

ATS has a 26.3% FARMS rate. That tends to suggests that it's not all affluent families who don't like their neighborhood schools.

It’s actually 19%, but honestly we knew a lot of people who quailify for FARMs that made professional money ($80k) but in Arlington is below the threshold for affordable housing and reduced lunch. You have one parent work, one SAH, have affordable housing in part of town with mediocre schools, and win this lottery so you don’t end up moving to Fairfax or getting a second job. See the same thing happen with many grad students with kids...

https://housing.arlingtonva.us/income-rent-limits/

You have no idea what you are talking about. Free and Reduced Meals eligibility is based on the Federal Income Eligibility Guidelines. For a family of four to qualify for reduced price meals for this school year, they can have an annual income of no more than $45,510. To qualify for free meals, their annual income can be no more than $31,980.

That is exactly why they like to be paid in cash....

Your bigotry is astounding.

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I think though of all the option schools it has the lowest % of free and reduced lunch and is below the county average which doesn’t lend itself to the narrative of pockets of folks escaping their zones school. Also don’t nearly 400 come from the three closest schools: McKinley, Glebe and Aslawn?

I think no one wants an option school near them because the surrounding schools are negatively impacted by overcrowding. The benefits of immersion evaporate after immersion ends and I bet ATS doesn’t lead by itself to a lifetime of success but instead seems to pick out the most competitive parents. Who else wants letter grades for 10 year olds. While other schools are moving towards no homework ATS model will soon become outdated. Access to Montessori on the other hand has proven to more of an equalizer across the county. We should expand that and get rid of the other option programs.

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And while it may be a great program, it is t anywhere near the largest school but consumes the most number of buses (even of the all the option schools). It needs to go in this current environment. Or at a minimum be debated. This whole thing APS is doing is a farce. They claim they are looking at everything yet won’t take a hard look at the value of the option programs. Bunch of wimps.

Yeah! If you're a poor kid sucking up vital APS resources, you only deserve to go to a school that you've been redlined to and you can walk there with all of your poor neighbors, even if that means your mom loses a half hour of wages to escort you there!!!!! MAGA

If the kids who were transferring there from overcrowded schools were all ED, I might feel differently, but the families I know from South Arlington who transferred weren't -- they didn't like their neighborhood schools but weren't willing to pay to move because that would have but into their vacation budgets.

Does APS collect long-term data on ATS graduates? I don't care what someone's elementary SOLs are. I want to know if they outperformed other members of their demographic by the end of high school (because the ones I know didn't).

ATS has a 26.3% FARMS rate. That tends to suggests that it's not all affluent families who don't like their neighborhood schools.

It’s actually 19%, but honestly we knew a lot of people who quailify for FARMs that made professional money ($80k) but in Arlington is below the threshold for affordable housing and reduced lunch. You have one parent work, one SAH, have affordable housing in part of town with mediocre schools, and win this lottery so you don’t end up moving to Fairfax or getting a second job. See the same thing happen with many grad students with kids...

https://housing.arlingtonva.us/income-rent-limits/

You are wrong about both of those: FARMS rate at ATS - GS data is always old, so it’s not accurate anymore, PP was correct about 26.3%, and your income a family will not be FARMS eligible with 80K (!) - it’s 30K to 45K or less; tells us how well you know these “lots of people who qualify for FARMS”.

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And while it may be a great program, it is t anywhere near the largest school but consumes the most number of buses (even of the all the option schools). It needs to go in this current environment. Or at a minimum be debated. This whole thing APS is doing is a farce. They claim they are looking at everything yet won’t take a hard look at the value of the option programs. Bunch of wimps.

Yeah! If you're a poor kid sucking up vital APS resources, you only deserve to go to a school that you've been redlined to and you can walk there with all of your poor neighbors, even if that means your mom loses a half hour of wages to escort you there!!!!! MAGA

If the kids who were transferring there from overcrowded schools were all ED, I might feel differently, but the families I know from South Arlington who transferred weren't -- they didn't like their neighborhood schools but weren't willing to pay to move because that would have but into their vacation budgets.

Does APS collect long-term data on ATS graduates? I don't care what someone's elementary SOLs are. I want to know if they outperformed other members of their demographic by the end of high school (because the ones I know didn't).

ATS has a 26.3% FARMS rate. That tends to suggests that it's not all affluent families who don't like their neighborhood schools.

It’s actually 19%, but honestly we knew a lot of people who quailify for FARMs that made professional money ($80k) but in Arlington is below the threshold for affordable housing and reduced lunch. You have one parent work, one SAH, have affordable housing in part of town with mediocre schools, and win this lottery so you don’t end up moving to Fairfax or getting a second job. See the same thing happen with many grad students with kids...

https://housing.arlingtonva.us/income-rent-limits/

You are wrong about both of those: FARMS rate at ATS - GS data is always old, so it’s not accurate anymore, PP was correct about 26.3%, and your income a family will not be FARMS eligible with 80K (!) - it’s 30K to 45K or less; tells us how well you know these “lots of people who qualify for FARMS”.

Then I am mistaken. I actually don’t know FARMS b/c it is anonomized; I do know they get subsided housing, which is actually a bigger boon.

But regardless, you know ATS succeed b/c it is self selected population, not the program.

Whatever happens to automatically opting in to immersion and then given the option to turn it down?

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Anonymous wrote:
And while it may be a great program, it is t anywhere near the largest school but consumes the most number of buses (even of the all the option schools). It needs to go in this current environment. Or at a minimum be debated. This whole thing APS is doing is a farce. They claim they are looking at everything yet won’t take a hard look at the value of the option programs. Bunch of wimps.

Yeah! If you're a poor kid sucking up vital APS resources, you only deserve to go to a school that you've been redlined to and you can walk there with all of your poor neighbors, even if that means your mom loses a half hour of wages to escort you there!!!!! MAGA

If the kids who were transferring there from overcrowded schools were all ED, I might feel differently, but the families I know from South Arlington who transferred weren't -- they didn't like their neighborhood schools but weren't willing to pay to move because that would have but into their vacation budgets.

Does APS collect long-term data on ATS graduates? I don't care what someone's elementary SOLs are. I want to know if they outperformed other members of their demographic by the end of high school (because the ones I know didn't).

ATS has a 26.3% FARMS rate. That tends to suggests that it's not all affluent families who don't like their neighborhood schools.

It’s actually 19%, but honestly we knew a lot of people who quailify for FARMs that made professional money ($80k) but in Arlington is below the threshold for affordable housing and reduced lunch. You have one parent work, one SAH, have affordable housing in part of town with mediocre schools, and win this lottery so you don’t end up moving to Fairfax or getting a second job. See the same thing happen with many grad students with kids...

https://housing.arlingtonva.us/income-rent-limits/

You are wrong about both of those: FARMS rate at ATS - GS data is always old, so it’s not accurate anymore, PP was correct about 26.3%, and your income a family will not be FARMS eligible with 80K (!) - it’s 30K to 45K or less; tells us how well you know these “lots of people who qualify for FARMS”.

Then I am mistaken. I actually don’t know FARMS b/c it is anonomized; I do know they get subsided housing, which is actually a bigger boon.

But regardless, you know ATS succeed b/c it is self selected population, not the program.

Whatever happens to automatically opting in to immersion and then given the option to turn it down?

Why would we automatically opt students who qualify for FARMS into immersion?

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Anonymous wrote:
And while it may be a great program, it is t anywhere near the largest school but consumes the most number of buses (even of the all the option schools). It needs to go in this current environment. Or at a minimum be debated. This whole thing APS is doing is a farce. They claim they are looking at everything yet won’t take a hard look at the value of the option programs. Bunch of wimps.

Yeah! If you're a poor kid sucking up vital APS resources, you only deserve to go to a school that you've been redlined to and you can walk there with all of your poor neighbors, even if that means your mom loses a half hour of wages to escort you there!!!!! MAGA

If the kids who were transferring there from overcrowded schools were all ED, I might feel differently, but the families I know from South Arlington who transferred weren't -- they didn't like their neighborhood schools but weren't willing to pay to move because that would have but into their vacation budgets.

Does APS collect long-term data on ATS graduates? I don't care what someone's elementary SOLs are. I want to know if they outperformed other members of their demographic by the end of high school (because the ones I know didn't).

ATS has a 26.3% FARMS rate. That tends to suggests that it's not all affluent families who don't like their neighborhood schools.

It’s actually 19%, but honestly we knew a lot of people who quailify for FARMs that made professional money ($80k) but in Arlington is below the threshold for affordable housing and reduced lunch. You have one parent work, one SAH, have affordable housing in part of town with mediocre schools, and win this lottery so you don’t end up moving to Fairfax or getting a second job. See the same thing happen with many grad students with kids...

https://housing.arlingtonva.us/income-rent-limits/

You are wrong about both of those: FARMS rate at ATS - GS data is always old, so it’s not accurate anymore, PP was correct about 26.3%, and your income a family will not be FARMS eligible with 80K (!) - it’s 30K to 45K or less; tells us how well you know these “lots of people who qualify for FARMS”.

Then I am mistaken. I actually don’t know FARMS b/c it is anonomized; I do know they get subsided housing, which is actually a bigger boon.

But regardless, you know ATS succeed b/c it is self selected population, not the program.

Whatever happens to automatically opting in to immersion and then given the option to turn it down?

Why would we automatically opt students who qualify for FARMS into immersion?

No, there were suggestions that opt EVERY student into the lotteries, and then allow the winners to opt-out. That way opportunity to go to the school doesn't depend on parents being saavy and on-deadline.

[Anonymous]

This is all going to be quite interesting. The numbers say move ATS to NW Quadrant. But politically, that is a tough call.

They are really stuck and this time status quo might not be an option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is all going to be quite interesting. The numbers say move ATS to NW Quadrant. But politically, that is a tough call.

They are really stuck and this time status quo might not be an option.

I take it you didn’t actually watch the work session.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is all going to be quite interesting. The numbers say move ATS to NW Quadrant. But politically, that is a tough call.

They are really stuck and this time status quo might not be an option.

I take it you didn’t actually watch the work session.

Who has 1 1/2 hours to strain to hear half hearted politicians. Please enlighten us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is all going to be quite interesting. The numbers say move ATS to NW Quadrant. But politically, that is a tough call.

They are really stuck and this time status quo might not be an option.

I take it you didn’t actually watch the work session.

Who has 1 1/2 hours to strain to hear half hearted politicians. Please enlighten us.

Do your own homework. I listened to it while cleaning the kitchen and folding laundry, it's not that hard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is all going to be quite interesting. The numbers say move ATS to NW Quadrant. But politically, that is a tough call.

They are really stuck and this time status quo might not be an option.

I take it you didn’t actually watch the work session.

What about the statement makes you think that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
And while it may be a great program, it is t anywhere near the largest school but consumes the most number of buses (even of the all the option schools). It needs to go in this current environment. Or at a minimum be debated. This whole thing APS is doing is a farce. They claim they are looking at everything yet won’t take a hard look at the value of the option programs. Bunch of wimps.

Yeah! If you're a poor kid sucking up vital APS resources, you only deserve to go to a school that you've been redlined to and you can walk there with all of your poor neighbors, even if that means your mom loses a half hour of wages to escort you there!!!!! MAGA

If the kids who were transferring there from overcrowded schools were all ED, I might feel differently, but the families I know from South Arlington who transferred weren't -- they didn't like their neighborhood schools but weren't willing to pay to move because that would have but into their vacation budgets.

Does APS collect long-term data on ATS graduates? I don't care what someone's elementary SOLs are. I want to know if they outperformed other members of their demographic by the end of high school (because the ones I know didn't).

ATS has a 26.3% FARMS rate. That tends to suggests that it's not all affluent families who don't like their neighborhood schools.

Are you kidding me right now?