APS: Can we just move Key to ATS and get rid of the Traditional program?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
And while it may be a great program, it is t anywhere near the largest school but consumes the most number of buses (even of the all the option schools). It needs to go in this current environment. Or at a minimum be debated. This whole thing APS is doing is a farce. They claim they are looking at everything yet won’t take a hard look at the value of the option programs. Bunch of wimps.

Yeah! If you're a poor kid sucking up vital APS resources, you only deserve to go to a school that you've been redlined to and you can walk there with all of your poor neighbors, even if that means your mom loses a half hour of wages to escort you there!!!!! MAGA

If the kids who were transferring there from overcrowded schools were all ED, I might feel differently, but the families I know from South Arlington who transferred weren't -- they didn't like their neighborhood schools but weren't willing to pay to move because that would have but into their vacation budgets.

Does APS collect long-term data on ATS graduates? I don't care what someone's elementary SOLs are. I want to know if they outperformed other members of their demographic by the end of high school (because the ones I know didn't).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
And while it may be a great program, it is t anywhere near the largest school but consumes the most number of buses (even of the all the option schools). It needs to go in this current environment. Or at a minimum be debated. This whole thing APS is doing is a farce. They claim they are looking at everything yet won’t take a hard look at the value of the option programs. Bunch of wimps.

Yeah! If you're a poor kid sucking up vital APS resources, you only deserve to go to a school that you've been redlined to and you can walk there with all of your poor neighbors, even if that means your mom loses a half hour of wages to escort you there!!!!! MAGA

If the kids who were transferring there from overcrowded schools were all ED, I might feel differently, but the families I know from South Arlington who transferred weren't -- they didn't like their neighborhood schools but weren't willing to pay to move because that would have but into their vacation budgets.

Does APS collect long-term data on ATS graduates? I don't care what someone's elementary SOLs are. I want to know if they outperformed other members of their demographic by the end of high school (because the ones I know didn't).

Do you have many ED families in your social circle? Perhaps that's why you know more non disadvantaged families? All the kids who qualify for VPI are ED. I suspect at least some of them are from South Arlington, or parts of North Arlington that need a bus to get to ATS.

I would be interested to see that long-term data, too, but APS does not have any such data. But anecdotally, I know two former ATS students who absolutely did outperform their similarly disadvantaged neighborhood cohorts. But whether that was due to the school itself, or due to the fact that their parents were the type who pushed them into ATS and ultimately college, I could not say.

[Anonymous]

Seems like there are a lot of angry entitled people here in arlington. My kids are too young for APS. We still have two years to go. We moved here because we liked the schools, the location and the people. Apparently we were wrong about the people. Why the push to shut down a school your kids don’t even go to? Many parents are happy with it and since it’s prosucing excellent results then why shut it dow ? And why the the bashing of tuckahoe parents, McKinley parents and future Reed parent? Why the bashing of Nottingham’s PTA? We are currently zoned for Tuckahoe. It looks like we might be rezoned McKinley and Reed in 2021. I’m not worried because all the schools in that area seem great. I’m hoping Reed will take the pressure off other schools and reduce overcrowding. If we end up having an option school in the area then that’s a win cuz we will have great neighborhood schools and maybe a great option school. The bashing is disgusting. Now I will wonder if I know any of you horrible people in real life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems like there are a lot of angry entitled people here in arlington. My kids are too young for APS. We still have two years to go. We moved here because we liked the schools, the location and the people. Apparently we were wrong about the people. Why the push to shut down a school your kids don’t even go to? Many parents are happy with it and since it’s prosucing excellent results then why shut it dow ? And why the the bashing of tuckahoe parents, McKinley parents and future Reed parent? Why the bashing of Nottingham’s PTA? We are currently zoned for Tuckahoe. It looks like we might be rezoned McKinley and Reed in 2021. I’m not worried because all the schools in that area seem great. I’m hoping Reed will take the pressure off other schools and reduce overcrowding. If we end up having an option school in the area then that’s a win cuz we will have great neighborhood schools and maybe a great option school. The bashing is disgusting. Now I will wonder if I know any of you horrible people in real life.

Are you new here?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like there are a lot of angry entitled people here in arlington. My kids are too young for APS. We still have two years to go. We moved here because we liked the schools, the location and the people. Apparently we were wrong about the people. Why the push to shut down a school your kids don’t even go to? Many parents are happy with it and since it’s prosucing excellent results then why shut it dow ? And why the the bashing of tuckahoe parents, McKinley parents and future Reed parent? Why the bashing of Nottingham’s PTA? We are currently zoned for Tuckahoe. It looks like we might be rezoned McKinley and Reed in 2021. I’m not worried because all the schools in that area seem great. I’m hoping Reed will take the pressure off other schools and reduce overcrowding. If we end up having an option school in the area then that’s a win cuz we will have great neighborhood schools and maybe a great option school. The bashing is disgusting. Now I will wonder if I know any of you horrible people in real life.

Are you new here?

Clearly. In time, he or she will come to the realization that it really is a zero-sum game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
And while it may be a great program, it is t anywhere near the largest school but consumes the most number of buses (even of the all the option schools). It needs to go in this current environment. Or at a minimum be debated. This whole thing APS is doing is a farce. They claim they are looking at everything yet won’t take a hard look at the value of the option programs. Bunch of wimps.

Yeah! If you're a poor kid sucking up vital APS resources, you only deserve to go to a school that you've been redlined to and you can walk there with all of your poor neighbors, even if that means your mom loses a half hour of wages to escort you there!!!!! MAGA

If the kids who were transferring there from overcrowded schools were all ED, I might feel differently, but the families I know from South Arlington who transferred weren't -- they didn't like their neighborhood schools but weren't willing to pay to move because that would have but into their vacation budgets.

Does APS collect long-term data on ATS graduates? I don't care what someone's elementary SOLs are. I want to know if they outperformed other members of their demographic by the end of high school (because the ones I know didn't).

ATS has a 26.3% FARMS rate. That tends to suggests that it's not all affluent families who don't like their neighborhood schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like there are a lot of angry entitled people here in arlington. My kids are too young for APS. We still have two years to go. We moved here because we liked the schools, the location and the people. Apparently we were wrong about the people. Why the push to shut down a school your kids don’t even go to? Many parents are happy with it and since it’s prosucing excellent results then why shut it dow ? And why the the bashing of tuckahoe parents, McKinley parents and future Reed parent? Why the bashing of Nottingham’s PTA? We are currently zoned for Tuckahoe. It looks like we might be rezoned McKinley and Reed in 2021. I’m not worried because all the schools in that area seem great. I’m hoping Reed will take the pressure off other schools and reduce overcrowding. If we end up having an option school in the area then that’s a win cuz we will have great neighborhood schools and maybe a great option school. The bashing is disgusting. Now I will wonder if I know any of you horrible people in real life.

Are you new here?

Clearly. In time, he or she will come to the realization that it really is a zero-sum game.

Yes I’m new here. And no it’s not a zero sum game. All these schools - Tuckahoe, McKinley, Nottingham, Jamestown and Discowry are all great schools. So who cares if one of them becomes an option school and students are rezoned to the other schools? I hope ATS stays where it is to serve the south arlington families that need it. Obviously if moves to Nottingham then that would be great for us. But the families that take their children there take them for a reason and their needs should be considered. I wish there would be less in fighting and a greater push for comprehensive solutions. We also need to push for more funding on the county level.

[Anonymous]

Most people don't want an option school in their neighborhood b/c it's not really an option for their family. They would prefer that their kids go to schools within walking distance. This is not Nottingham or Ashlawn or Oakridge or Reed specific. This is the same feeling all over the county. So, adding an option school to your neighborhood does not make anything better fo you. It's only going to have a negative impact on your neighborhood, unless you get priority enrollment (which you don't).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like there are a lot of angry entitled people here in arlington. My kids are too young for APS. We still have two years to go. We moved here because we liked the schools, the location and the people. Apparently we were wrong about the people. Why the push to shut down a school your kids don’t even go to? Many parents are happy with it and since it’s prosucing excellent results then why shut it dow ? And why the the bashing of tuckahoe parents, McKinley parents and future Reed parent? Why the bashing of Nottingham’s PTA? We are currently zoned for Tuckahoe. It looks like we might be rezoned McKinley and Reed in 2021. I’m not worried because all the schools in that area seem great. I’m hoping Reed will take the pressure off other schools and reduce overcrowding. If we end up having an option school in the area then that’s a win cuz we will have great neighborhood schools and maybe a great option school. The bashing is disgusting. Now I will wonder if I know any of you horrible people in real life.

Are you new here?

Clearly. In time, he or she will come to the realization that it really is a zero-sum game.

Yes I’m new here. And no it’s not a zero sum game. All these schools - Tuckahoe, McKinley, Nottingham, Jamestown and Discowry are all great schools. So who cares if one of them becomes an option school and students are rezoned to the other schools? I hope ATS stays where it is to serve the south arlington families that need it. Obviously if moves to Nottingham then that would be great for us. But the families that take their children there take them for a reason and their needs should be considered. I wish there would be less in fighting and a greater push for comprehensive solutions. We also need to push for more funding on the county level.

Most people don't want an option school in their neighborhood b/c it's not really an option for most families. The likelihood of getting in is less and less each year. They would prefer that their kids go to schools within walking distance. This is not Nottingham or Ashlawn or Oakridge or Barrett or Reed specific. There is the same feeling all over the county. So, adding an option school to your neighborhood does not make anything better fo you. It's only going to have a negative impact on your neighborhood, unless you get priority enrollment (which you don't).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like there are a lot of angry entitled people here in arlington. My kids are too young for APS. We still have two years to go. We moved here because we liked the schools, the location and the people. Apparently we were wrong about the people. Why the push to shut down a school your kids don’t even go to? Many parents are happy with it and since it’s prosucing excellent results then why shut it dow ? And why the the bashing of tuckahoe parents, McKinley parents and future Reed parent? Why the bashing of Nottingham’s PTA? We are currently zoned for Tuckahoe. It looks like we might be rezoned McKinley and Reed in 2021. I’m not worried because all the schools in that area seem great. I’m hoping Reed will take the pressure off other schools and reduce overcrowding. If we end up having an option school in the area then that’s a win cuz we will have great neighborhood schools and maybe a great option school. The bashing is disgusting. Now I will wonder if I know any of you horrible people in real life.

Are you new here?

Clearly. In time, he or she will come to the realization that it really is a zero-sum game.

Yes I’m new here. And no it’s not a zero sum game. All these schools - Tuckahoe, McKinley, Nottingham, Jamestown and Discowry are all great schools. So who cares if one of them becomes an option school and students are rezoned to the other schools? I hope ATS stays where it is to serve the south arlington families that need it. Obviously if moves to Nottingham then that would be great for us. But the families that take their children there take them for a reason and their needs should be considered. I wish there would be less in fighting and a greater push for comprehensive solutions. We also need to push for more funding on the county level.

Most people don't want an option school in their neighborhood b/c it's not really an option for most families. The likelihood of getting in is less and less each year. They would prefer that their kids go to schools within walking distance. This is not Nottingham or Ashlawn or Oakridge or Barrett or Reed specific. There is the same feeling all over the county. So, adding an option school to your neighborhood does not make anything better fo you. It's only going to have a negative impact on your neighborhood, unless you get priority enrollment (which you don't).

And that is why most of our schools are neighborhood schools. But not everyone agrees with you, and so for those families, there are OPTIONS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like there are a lot of angry entitled people here in arlington. My kids are too young for APS. We still have two years to go. We moved here because we liked the schools, the location and the people. Apparently we were wrong about the people. Why the push to shut down a school your kids don’t even go to? Many parents are happy with it and since it’s prosucing excellent results then why shut it dow ? And why the the bashing of tuckahoe parents, McKinley parents and future Reed parent? Why the bashing of Nottingham’s PTA? We are currently zoned for Tuckahoe. It looks like we might be rezoned McKinley and Reed in 2021. I’m not worried because all the schools in that area seem great. I’m hoping Reed will take the pressure off other schools and reduce overcrowding. If we end up having an option school in the area then that’s a win cuz we will have great neighborhood schools and maybe a great option school. The bashing is disgusting. Now I will wonder if I know any of you horrible people in real life.

Are you new here?

Clearly. In time, he or she will come to the realization that it really is a zero-sum game.

Yes I’m new here. And no it’s not a zero sum game. All these schools - Tuckahoe, McKinley, Nottingham, Jamestown and Discowry are all great schools. So who cares if one of them becomes an option school and students are rezoned to the other schools? I hope ATS stays where it is to serve the south arlington families that need it. Obviously if moves to Nottingham then that would be great for us. But the families that take their children there take them for a reason and their needs should be considered. I wish there would be less in fighting and a greater push for comprehensive solutions. We also need to push for more funding on the county level.

It's not zero-sum, but realistically there is no area of the county that could give up 500-600 neighborhood seats so tensions around this run high. If you live in the current Nottingham zone, Nottingham gets an option program you want, and you get in, it's great. But if you live in the Nottingham zone, aren't interested in the option program and/or can't get in, and end up zoned for Tuckahoe instead, there's a good chance your kid will be going to a very overcrowded school within a few years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
And while it may be a great program, it is t anywhere near the largest school but consumes the most number of buses (even of the all the option schools). It needs to go in this current environment. Or at a minimum be debated. This whole thing APS is doing is a farce. They claim they are looking at everything yet won’t take a hard look at the value of the option programs. Bunch of wimps.

Yeah! If you're a poor kid sucking up vital APS resources, you only deserve to go to a school that you've been redlined to and you can walk there with all of your poor neighbors, even if that means your mom loses a half hour of wages to escort you there!!!!! MAGA

If the kids who were transferring there from overcrowded schools were all ED, I might feel differently, but the families I know from South Arlington who transferred weren't -- they didn't like their neighborhood schools but weren't willing to pay to move because that would have but into their vacation budgets.

Does APS collect long-term data on ATS graduates? I don't care what someone's elementary SOLs are. I want to know if they outperformed other members of their demographic by the end of high school (because the ones I know didn't).

ATS has a 26.3% FARMS rate. That tends to suggests that it's not all affluent families who don't like their neighborhood schools.

It’s actually 19%, but honestly we knew a lot of people who quailify for FARMs that made professional money ($80k) but in Arlington is below the threshold for affordable housing and reduced lunch. You have one parent work, one SAH, have affordable housing in part of town with mediocre schools, and win this lottery so you don’t end up moving to Fairfax or getting a second job. See the same thing happen with many grad students with kids...

https://housing.arlingtonva.us/income-rent-limits/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
And while it may be a great program, it is t anywhere near the largest school but consumes the most number of buses (even of the all the option schools). It needs to go in this current environment. Or at a minimum be debated. This whole thing APS is doing is a farce. They claim they are looking at everything yet won’t take a hard look at the value of the option programs. Bunch of wimps.

Yeah! If you're a poor kid sucking up vital APS resources, you only deserve to go to a school that you've been redlined to and you can walk there with all of your poor neighbors, even if that means your mom loses a half hour of wages to escort you there!!!!! MAGA

If the kids who were transferring there from overcrowded schools were all ED, I might feel differently, but the families I know from South Arlington who transferred weren't -- they didn't like their neighborhood schools but weren't willing to pay to move because that would have but into their vacation budgets.

Does APS collect long-term data on ATS graduates? I don't care what someone's elementary SOLs are. I want to know if they outperformed other members of their demographic by the end of high school (because the ones I know didn't).

ATS has a 26.3% FARMS rate. That tends to suggests that it's not all affluent families who don't like their neighborhood schools.

It’s actually 19%, but honestly we knew a lot of people who quailify for FARMs that made professional money ($80k) but in Arlington is below the threshold for affordable housing and reduced lunch. You have one parent work, one SAH, have affordable housing in part of town with mediocre schools, and win this lottery so you don’t end up moving to Fairfax or getting a second job. See the same thing happen with many grad students with kids...

https://housing.arlingtonva.us/income-rent-limits/

Per APS, as of 10/31/17, the ATS FARMS rate is 26.3%.

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/FREE-REDUCED-OCTOBER-31-2017.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
And while it may be a great program, it is t anywhere near the largest school but consumes the most number of buses (even of the all the option schools). It needs to go in this current environment. Or at a minimum be debated. This whole thing APS is doing is a farce. They claim they are looking at everything yet won’t take a hard look at the value of the option programs. Bunch of wimps.

Yeah! If you're a poor kid sucking up vital APS resources, you only deserve to go to a school that you've been redlined to and you can walk there with all of your poor neighbors, even if that means your mom loses a half hour of wages to escort you there!!!!! MAGA

If the kids who were transferring there from overcrowded schools were all ED, I might feel differently, but the families I know from South Arlington who transferred weren't -- they didn't like their neighborhood schools but weren't willing to pay to move because that would have but into their vacation budgets.

Does APS collect long-term data on ATS graduates? I don't care what someone's elementary SOLs are. I want to know if they outperformed other members of their demographic by the end of high school (because the ones I know didn't).

ATS has a 26.3% FARMS rate. That tends to suggests that it's not all affluent families who don't like their neighborhood schools.

It’s actually 19%, but honestly we knew a lot of people who quailify for FARMs that made professional money ($80k) but in Arlington is below the threshold for affordable housing and reduced lunch. You have one parent work, one SAH, have affordable housing in part of town with mediocre schools, and win this lottery so you don’t end up moving to Fairfax or getting a second job. See the same thing happen with many grad students with kids...

https://housing.arlingtonva.us/income-rent-limits/

Per APS, as of 10/31/17, the ATS FARMS rate is 26.3%.

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/FREE-REDUCED-OCTOBER-31-2017.pdf

I was going by GS, so sure. https://www.greatschools.org/virginia/arlington/127-Arlington-Traditional/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
And while it may be a great program, it is t anywhere near the largest school but consumes the most number of buses (even of the all the option schools). It needs to go in this current environment. Or at a minimum be debated. This whole thing APS is doing is a farce. They claim they are looking at everything yet won’t take a hard look at the value of the option programs. Bunch of wimps.

Yeah! If you're a poor kid sucking up vital APS resources, you only deserve to go to a school that you've been redlined to and you can walk there with all of your poor neighbors, even if that means your mom loses a half hour of wages to escort you there!!!!! MAGA

If the kids who were transferring there from overcrowded schools were all ED, I might feel differently, but the families I know from South Arlington who transferred weren't -- they didn't like their neighborhood schools but weren't willing to pay to move because that would have but into their vacation budgets.

Does APS collect long-term data on ATS graduates? I don't care what someone's elementary SOLs are. I want to know if they outperformed other members of their demographic by the end of high school (because the ones I know didn't).

ATS has a 26.3% FARMS rate. That tends to suggests that it's not all affluent families who don't like their neighborhood schools.

It’s actually 19%, but honestly we knew a lot of people who quailify for FARMs that made professional money ($80k) but in Arlington is below the threshold for affordable housing and reduced lunch. You have one parent work, one SAH, have affordable housing in part of town with mediocre schools, and win this lottery so you don’t end up moving to Fairfax or getting a second job. See the same thing happen with many grad students with kids...

https://housing.arlingtonva.us/income-rent-limits/

You have no idea what you are talking about. Free and Reduced Meals eligibility is based on the Federal Income Eligibility Guidelines. For a family of four to qualify for reduced price meals for this school year, they can have an annual income of no more than $45,510. To qualify for free meals, their annual income can be no more than $31,980.