Breaking Point?

[Anonymous]

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Jfc, you assholes are so purposely deceitful. You damn well know the poor pay taxes: excise, property, payroll, and sales taxes.


Again, how do you wring blood out of a stone?

Don't give me that poor crap. Close to half the country is not contributing to the revenue base and that's economically unsustainable. Stop pleading poor at every discussion on just how far out of whack the numbers have become.

They will get out of social security and Medicare far more than they paid in, so payroll taxes ~ eh, not so much a tax as an investment that pays later in down the road.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are getting a tax cut. For 8 years Obama taxed the crap out of us. Unemployment is down, food stamp usage is down, can we have 6 more years of this please

Please shut the f#ck up with your pathetic lies. Tax burden was higher under Reagan than Obama:

lol wasn't obama responsible for continuing the Bush tax cuts? So he rode up the deficit and taxed Americans more than any other president at the same time? lol you guys!

What is the gross income for the data represented in this chart? What is the AGI? How is middle class defined? I’ve posted my tax picture before:

Obama year 2016

Single no dependents -income 130,000
Fed income tax. 23,000
Property tax 12000
State inc. tax. 4,000
Soc. Sec + Med. 10,000
Gas and sales abt. $ 2,000
No mortgage Interest to deduct. Taxes = $51,000.
Plus I pay student loans not deductible with AGI over 65,000

Am I middle class? Or am I the wealthy that needs to pay more?

Post your taxes that you pay.

So you own a million dollar house free and clear?

It was the house I grew up in and my parents passed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are getting a tax cut. For 8 years Obama taxed the crap out of us. Unemployment is down, food stamp usage is down, can we have 6 more years of this please

Please shut the f#ck up with your pathetic lies. Tax burden was higher under Reagan than Obama:

lol wasn't obama responsible for continuing the Bush tax cuts? So he rode up the deficit and taxed Americans more than any other president at the same time? lol you guys!

What is the gross income for the data represented in this chart? What is the AGI? How is middle class defined? I’ve posted my tax picture before:

Obama year 2016

Single no dependents -income 130,000
Fed income tax. 23,000
Property tax 12000
State inc. tax. 4,000
Soc. Sec + Med. 10,000
Gas and sales abt. $ 2,000
No mortgage Interest to deduct. Taxes = $51,000.
Plus I pay student loans not deductible with AGI over 65,000

Am I middle class? Or am I the wealthy that needs to pay more?

Post your taxes that you pay.

So you own a million dollar house free and clear?

It was the house I grew up in and my parents passed.

Born on third, thinks he hit a triple.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Jfc, you assholes are so purposely deceitful. You damn well know the poor pay taxes: excise, property, payroll, and sales taxes.


Again, how do you wring blood out of a stone?

Don't give me that poor crap. Close to half the country is not contributing to the revenue base and that's economically unsustainable. Stop pleading poor at every discussion on just how far out of whack the numbers have become.

+ 1 We are now in a spot where half the people are "too poor" to contribute to the federal revenue base and liberals don't see a problem with that? Sorry, but if a poor person can afford to buy a $200 pair of sneakers, he can pay $100 to the government instead and "sacrifice" with a $100 pair.

Right, the "poors" should be REALLY suffering. They deserve that.

You probably think "trickle down" works too.

WTF? Having to "make do" with a $100 pair of sneakers is suffering? How awful we are, expecting poor people to go without a $200 pair. Heartless!

Yes, let's focus on what shoes people are wearing. That's the important thing here. F*ing scum conservatives.

Not only do you miss the point, you have to throw in cursing insults. Such a liberal you are!

LOL. "Liberal", as if it's an insult. Take a look in the mirror, you greedy scum. You focus on the poor while rich fill each others' pockets. Talk about unsustainable.

So you object to being called "liberal," as if that's an insult....and then call people who didn't vote your way "conservative scum" (the post upthread), f*in idiots! and greedy scum? You remind me of the poster who called conservatives racists and morons, and then objected to being called a "lib."

And why are you assuming that I am rich? Or that I want the tax bill approved because it benefits me? FYI, I am among the 15% it does not help but I know it's good for. 85% (directly, via tax reduction). As for everyone else, we benefit by having a booming economy, bringing jobs back, and having policies that encourage companies to stay in this country.

Finally, are the poor so virtuous in your mind that you cannot criticize any obviously irresponsible behavior on their part? Can you acknowledge that poor people getting food stamps, cash, subsidized housing, and all sorts of taxpayer-funded benefits should not be wasting OUR money on $200 shoes? Liberals are fine taunting and mocking working-class people as morons in flyover country but become livid of anyone suggests poor people do anything stupid. There are plenty of morons among the poor, believe me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are getting a tax cut. For 8 years Obama taxed the crap out of us. Unemployment is down, food stamp usage is down, can we have 6 more years of this please

Please shut the f#ck up with your pathetic lies. Tax burden was higher under Reagan than Obama:

lol wasn't obama responsible for continuing the Bush tax cuts? So he rode up the deficit and taxed Americans more than any other president at the same time? lol you guys!

What is the gross income for the data represented in this chart? What is the AGI? How is middle class defined? I’ve posted my tax picture before:

Obama year 2016

Single no dependents -income 130,000
Fed income tax. 23,000
Property tax 12000
State inc. tax. 4,000
Soc. Sec + Med. 10,000
Gas and sales abt. $ 2,000
No mortgage Interest to deduct. Taxes = $51,000.
Plus I pay student loans not deductible with AGI over 65,000

Am I middle class? Or am I the wealthy that needs to pay more?

Post your taxes that you pay.

So you own a million dollar house free and clear?

It was the house I grew up in and my parents passed.

Born on third, thinks he hit a triple.

Post your taxes. Potomac at one time had houses selling for $50,000. My dad was military. I’m not sure why you need to get all snooty. A lot of people have their net built in the increases in their house value, especially lower income folks - that’s their major investment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Jfc, you assholes are so purposely deceitful. You damn well know the poor pay taxes: excise, property, payroll, and sales taxes.


Again, how do you wring blood out of a stone?

Don't give me that poor crap. Close to half the country is not contributing to the revenue base and that's economically unsustainable. Stop pleading poor at every discussion on just how far out of whack the numbers have become.

They will get out of social security and Medicare far more than they paid in, so payroll taxes ~ eh, not so much a tax as an investment that pays later in down the road.

Agree. The liberals have to stop saying how the low-income pay payroll taxes, as if that's their contribution to the revenue base. It's a forced retirement plan so they will have an income in their old age, and they get back a lot more relatively than higher earners.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are getting a tax cut. For 8 years Obama taxed the crap out of us. Unemployment is down, food stamp usage is down, can we have 6 more years of this please

Please shut the f#ck up with your pathetic lies. Tax burden was higher under Reagan than Obama:

lol wasn't obama responsible for continuing the Bush tax cuts? So he rode up the deficit and taxed Americans more than any other president at the same time? lol you guys!

What is the gross income for the data represented in this chart? What is the AGI? How is middle class defined? I’ve posted my tax picture before:

Obama year 2016

Single no dependents -income 130,000
Fed income tax. 23,000
Property tax 12000
State inc. tax. 4,000
Soc. Sec + Med. 10,000
Gas and sales abt. $ 2,000
No mortgage Interest to deduct. Taxes = $51,000.
Plus I pay student loans not deductible with AGI over 65,000

Am I middle class? Or am I the wealthy that needs to pay more?

Post your taxes that you pay.

So you own a million dollar house free and clear?

It was the house I grew up in and my parents passed.

Born on third, thinks he hit a triple.

Post your taxes. Potomac at one time had houses selling for $50,000. My dad was military. I’m not sure why you need to get all snooty. A lot of people have their net built in the increases in their house value, especially lower income folks - that’s their major investment.

Yes, exactly. My grandmother bought her beach condo for $25,000 in the 1960s and it is now worth $800,000.

[Anonymous]

With the House having passed this bill, the breaking point is here. The ones that are going to be destroyed by this just don't feel it yet. I am so angry right now, I can barely see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are getting a tax cut. For 8 years Obama taxed the crap out of us. Unemployment is down, food stamp usage is down, can we have 6 more years of this please

Please shut the f#ck up with your pathetic lies. Tax burden was higher under Reagan than Obama:

lol wasn't obama responsible for continuing the Bush tax cuts? So he rode up the deficit and taxed Americans more than any other president at the same time? lol you guys!

What is the gross income for the data represented in this chart? What is the AGI? How is middle class defined? I’ve posted my tax picture before:

Obama year 2016

Single no dependents -income 130,000
Fed income tax. 23,000
Property tax 12000
State inc. tax. 4,000
Soc. Sec + Med. 10,000
Gas and sales abt. $ 2,000
No mortgage Interest to deduct. Taxes = $51,000.
Plus I pay student loans not deductible with AGI over 65,000

Am I middle class? Or am I the wealthy that needs to pay more?

Post your taxes that you pay.

So you own a million dollar house free and clear?

It was the house I grew up in and my parents passed.

Born on third, thinks he hit a triple.

Post your taxes. Potomac at one time had houses selling for $50,000. My dad was military. I’m not sure why you need to get all snooty. A lot of people have their net built in the increases in their house value, especially lower income folks - that’s their major investment.

Heads up, kiddo - you're sponging off your parents hard work. That's what "born on third, thinks he hit a triple" means. You're posing like some financial genius, and it's your parents' money! Also, your level of aggression sounds like someone who wants to meet for coffee in Georgetown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With the House having passed this bill, the breaking point is here. The ones that are going to be destroyed by this just don't feel it yet. I am so angry right now, I can barely see.

I know, it's a shit box. But chin up. There's a bigger fight, and if twitter rumor is true (and it is, given the fact that NO ONE save billionaires, bots and MAGAts wants this atrocity yet still the GOP rammed it through, illegal kickbacks and all, like they don't really have to work for their constituents) they'll largely be gone in under a year and we can begin to undo this.

The GOP is no longer a political party. Let's crush it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With the House having passed this bill, the breaking point is here. The ones that are going to be destroyed by this just don't feel it yet. I am so angry right now, I can barely see.

This will be voted on (in effect) a year from now. Half the people will be thrilled with the swelling blalance in their retirement accounts, and the other half don't pay taxes anyway - and still won't. Add in that 80% of taxpayers will have seen their taxes drop! and we will have a country of happy campers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With the House having passed this bill, the breaking point is here. The ones that are going to be destroyed by this just don't feel it yet. I am so angry right now, I can barely see.

Here, this may help you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:We are getting a tax cut. For 8 years Obama taxed the crap out of us. Unemployment is down, food stamp usage is down, can we have 6 more years of this please

Please shut the f#ck up with your pathetic lies. Tax burden was higher under Reagan than Obama:

lol wasn't obama responsible for continuing the Bush tax cuts? So he rode up the deficit and taxed Americans more than any other president at the same time? lol you guys!

What is the gross income for the data represented in this chart? What is the AGI? How is middle class defined? I’ve posted my tax picture before:

Obama year 2016

Single no dependents -income 130,000
Fed income tax. 23,000
Property tax 12000
State inc. tax. 4,000
Soc. Sec + Med. 10,000
Gas and sales abt. $ 2,000
No mortgage Interest to deduct. Taxes = $51,000.
Plus I pay student loans not deductible with AGI over 65,000

Am I middle class? Or am I the wealthy that needs to pay more?

Post your taxes that you pay.

So you own a million dollar house free and clear?

It was the house I grew up in and my parents passed.

Born on third, thinks he hit a triple.

Post your taxes. Potomac at one time had houses selling for $50,000. My dad was military. I’m not sure why you need to get all snooty. A lot of people have their net built in the increases in their house value, especially lower income folks - that’s their major investment.

Heads up, kiddo - you're sponging off your parents hard work. That's what "born on third, thinks he hit a triple" means. You're posing like some financial genius, and it's your parents' money! Also, your level of aggression sounds like someone who wants to meet for coffee in Georgetown.

NP: How is he sponging? Lucky for sure, but I don't see how that impacts his arguments. You really shouldn't let envy get in the way of logical thinking.

[Anonymous]

The glee with which the Republicans are savoring their self-enrichment riles me up, offsetting the fatigue I feel from the craziness of this past year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So Obamaphones were meant for the poor in an emergency...

Meanwhile, they get a free phone and 250 minutes a month. Who has 250 minutes worth of emergencies a month?

It's like dialing for dollars for TracFone and other companies involved in that boondoggle called "lifeline".... but but but hate big telecom.

It's insanity.


250 – Number of free minutes offered to program participants in most states. (California, which so often leads the way in so many things, now offers Obama Phone customers unlimited talk and texts).

1999 – The year the Lifeline Assistance program began offering subsidies on home phones.

2008 – The year Tracfone handed out the first free government cell phone in Tennessee.

200,000 – The population of Puerto Rico is approximately 4,000,000, but in 2012 the Federal Communications Commission estimated that 200,000 of Puerto Ricans had fraudulent Obama Phone accounts.

10,000,000 – The number of households on Food Stamps that qualify for an Obama Phone but do not yet have one.

13,000,000 – Current estimated number of free cell phones subscribers.

214,000,000 – The number of dollars the FCC says it saved by cracking down on Obama Phone fraud, waste and abuse in 2012

400,000,000 – The number of dollars the FCC says it saved in 2013.

1,384,000,000 – Estimated number of Obama Phone dollars to be saved in 2014 if FCC effort to curb fraud, waste and abuse is achieved.

The lifeline program expansion to cover cellphone service happened under President Bush. Full stop. The “ Obamaphone” name may be catchy, that does not make it true. Yes it does a lot of good and yes the FCC under the Obama Administration expended a lot of effort to reduce waste fraud and abuse.