s/o can you tell me about your child getting kicked out of Maddux?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op here - my kid is on target academically and ca sit and learn but he has severe ADHD and impulsivity. He's actually the exact child they claim to cater to who will not receive services in public school but needs help, but, big but, I'm fairly sure he's too impulsive for them. It's tough. Also most of the children there need to be drawn out more. That is not at all what my kid needs. Things to think about.

I think a child with severe ADHD and impulsivity would receive services at public school-why do you not think so?

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Anonymous wrote:Now that is shocking. I thought they were a school of last resort, for very impaired kids. If that happens what the hell are you supposed to do? The poor parents.

My child (who was placed at a special needs school by a public school system) was rejected by Ivymount as well even though his behavioral problems were ASD-driven (elopement, poor social skills, severe anxiety). They wouldn't even meet with him, just rejected him based on the file the school system sent.

What did you end up doing? Where did you child go?

The school system gave us 3 options, including Ivymount. He ended up at Phillips in Annandale for 2 years (the third choice would be too much information but it was in Fairfax and a complete non-starter and honestly, I'm shocked FCPS sends kids there), now we are homeschooling, which is not ideal either.

Which Ivymount program did you apply to?

I have trouble believing that the Autism program would reject a child for those reasons, but his skills in other areas may have been too advanced for that program.

Did they specifically tell you the rejection was for the behaviors? Ivymount tends to look at candidates in terms of how they fit in the existing group, so sometimes a kid won't be a fit for an opening they have, even though they might fit well into a different program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Op here - my kid is on target academically and ca sit and learn but he has severe ADHD and impulsivity. He's actually the exact child they claim to cater to who will not receive services in public school but needs help, but, big but, I'm fairly sure he's too impulsive for them. It's tough. Also most of the children there need to be drawn out more. That is not at all what my kid needs. Things to think about.

I think a child with severe ADHD and impulsivity would receive services at public school-why do you not think so?

Agree. Kids with behavioral issues in prek can get an IEP fairly easily even if they are on target academically. Prek is more about socialization and learning appropriate behavior for school. After K+, it is harder to get an IEP if on target academically but not impossible especially with "severe ADHD" and you can show academic impact like a high IQ but barely passing.

[Anonymous]

My severe ADHD kid has been advanced academically throughout but has behavior issues. He easily qualified in the summer prior to k as ohi. He truly is severe though, so he wasn't going to get through without accommodations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, have you even applied or talk to them to see if they will accept your child? You have posted (think it is you) multiple times about this. I get your concern, but you need to talk to them and/or apply. If it is severe, they may not take your child. I know a few kids who were not accepted under behavioral issues (the parents were livid, especially one who minimized the behaviors). They are looking for a good fit. I spoke with them but it didn't seem a good fit for our child as there were no behavioral issues. I know they don't take kids with extreme behaviors, but most schools will not.

You can try the Lourie Center in Rockville. I'm not a fan of them but others like them.

What's wrong w/ Lourie Center? They get a lot of positive press on this board, just curious of your take.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kids with behavioral challenges get kicked out of almost every special ed school. A child at my son's school was kicked out of Ivymount for very ASD behaviors, and I thought they were supposed to be the gold standard.

I smell BS. Getting "kicked out" of a social skill class b/f you actually attend is not the same, BTW.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that is shocking. I thought they were a school of last resort, for very impaired kids. If that happens what the hell are you supposed to do? The poor parents.

My child (who was placed at a special needs school by a public school system) was rejected by Ivymount as well even though his behavioral problems were ASD-driven (elopement, poor social skills, severe anxiety). They wouldn't even meet with him, just rejected him based on the file the school system sent.

What did you end up doing? Where did you child go?

The school system gave us 3 options, including Ivymount. He ended up at Phillips in Annandale for 2 years (the third choice would be too much information but it was in Fairfax and a complete non-starter and honestly, I'm shocked FCPS sends kids there), now we are homeschooling, which is not ideal either.

Which Ivymount program did you apply to?

I have trouble believing that the Autism program would reject a child for those reasons, but his skills in other areas may have been too advanced for that program.

Did they specifically tell you the rejection was for the behaviors? Ivymount tends to look at candidates in terms of how they fit in the existing group, so sometimes a kid won't be a fit for an opening they have, even though they might fit well into a different program.

Keep in mind that the rejection may not have been strictly on behaviors. Every SN school needs to have a balance of profiles in each class. Ivymount doesn't shirk from hard to handle cases, however, they may not be able to accommodate a child if there are already children who fit that similar profile. You can't have a classroom of kids who are all prone to elopement for example.

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Why in the heck are they having special/ADHD preschool kids sitting in a chair 'most of the time' performing school work?
Geez - don't tell me you're considering this as a school for your kid are you OP?

Could you not send him to an active nursery school where they are mostly outside with a 1-1 aide?

Wow, someone believes in unicorns. PP, there are very few preschools like what you describe in the first place and the few that do exist would not allow 1:1 aides. That's not a reasonable accommodation for the most schools. So please, stop being the example of suggesting things that really aren't that easy.

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Why in the heck are they having special/ADHD preschool kids sitting in a chair 'most of the time' performing school work?
Geez - don't tell me you're considering this as a school for your kid are you OP?

Could you not send him to an active nursery school where they are mostly outside with a 1-1 aide?

Wow, someone believes in unicorns. PP, there are very few preschools like what you describe in the first place and the few that do exist would not allow 1:1 aides. That's not a reasonable accommodation for the most schools. So please, stop being the example of suggesting things that really aren't that easy.

St. Columba's definitely allows 1:1's and fits the description.

I don't know about Outdoor Nursery, or the Audubon Nature Preschool, or the Waldorf outdoor preschool, but it's worth exploring.

I'm not saying that these would or wouldn't be the right place, but it's worth looking into.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have you even applied or talk to them to see if they will accept your child? You have posted (think it is you) multiple times about this. I get your concern, but you need to talk to them and/or apply. If it is severe, they may not take your child. I know a few kids who were not accepted under behavioral issues (the parents were livid, especially one who minimized the behaviors). They are looking for a good fit. I spoke with them but it didn't seem a good fit for our child as there were no behavioral issues. I know they don't take kids with extreme behaviors, but most schools will not.

You can try the Lourie Center in Rockville. I'm not a fan of them but others like them.

I don't understand this: you thought Maddux was a poor fit for your child because he has no behavior problems? There are lots of reasons why Maddux would be a poor fit, but that isn't one of them.

Former Maddux parent. My child has ADHD and is medicated and has no behavior problems. He has slow processing speed and benefited from the hurting, cozy environment and two teachers per class. I don't think of Maddux as a place for kids with unmanaged emotional problems.

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Why in the heck are they having special/ADHD preschool kids sitting in a chair 'most of the time' performing school work?
Geez - don't tell me you're considering this as a school for your kid are you OP?

Could you not send him to an active nursery school where they are mostly outside with a 1-1 aide?

Wow, someone believes in unicorns. PP, there are very few preschools like what you describe in the first place and the few that do exist would not allow 1:1 aides. That's not a reasonable accommodation for the most schools. So please, stop being the example of suggesting things that really aren't that easy.

St. Columba's definitely allows 1:1's and fits the description.

I don't know about Outdoor Nursery, or the Audubon Nature Preschool, or the Waldorf outdoor preschool, but it's worth exploring.

I'm not saying that these would or wouldn't be the right place, but it's worth looking into.

Those and also:

Butler Montessori

Many Jewish preschools also accept special kids no matter their religion and they will try their best to adapt to your child's needs. They gave various professionals in staff to help.

Not unicorns - you have to look around some

[Anonymous]

OP, why not just apply and see if your child is accepted. I would think public might be better depending on the classroom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have you even applied or talk to them to see if they will accept your child? You have posted (think it is you) multiple times about this. I get your concern, but you need to talk to them and/or apply. If it is severe, they may not take your child. I know a few kids who were not accepted under behavioral issues (the parents were livid, especially one who minimized the behaviors). They are looking for a good fit. I spoke with them but it didn't seem a good fit for our child as there were no behavioral issues. I know they don't take kids with extreme behaviors, but most schools will not.

You can try the Lourie Center in Rockville. I'm not a fan of them but others like them.

I don't understand this: you thought Maddux was a poor fit for your child because he has no behavior problems? There are lots of reasons why Maddux would be a poor fit, but that isn't one of them.

Former Maddux parent. My child has ADHD and is medicated and has no behavior problems. He has slow processing speed and benefited from the hurting, cozy environment and two teachers per class. I don't think of Maddux as a place for kids with unmanaged emotional problems.

* nurturing

[Anonymous]

No one wants kids with emotional problems (and what you really mean is behavioral problems) at their kids' school. That's why it's so hard to find a school for those kids, as previous posters have described.

I think the phrase "unmanaged emotional problems" is a bit...judgmental. I've read many times on here about desperate parents being turned away from hospitals, therapists, schools who don't/can't/won't help them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one wants kids with emotional problems (and what you really mean is behavioral problems) at their kids' school. That's why it's so hard to find a school for those kids, as previous posters have described.

I think the phrase "unmanaged emotional problems" is a bit...judgmental. I've read many times on here about desperate parents being turned away from hospitals, therapists, schools who don't/can't/won't help them.

That's an understatement. They don't really want to deal with kids in wheelchairs or who can't be toilet trained either but there are laws in place. Eventually behavioral delays will be understood in the same way as speech delays.