s/o can you tell me about your child getting kicked out of Maddux?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, have you even applied or talk to them to see if they will accept your child? You have posted (think it is you) multiple times about this. I get your concern, but you need to talk to them and/or apply. If it is severe, they may not take your child. I know a few kids who were not accepted under behavioral issues (the parents were livid, especially one who minimized the behaviors). They are looking for a good fit. I spoke with them but it didn't seem a good fit for our child as there were no behavioral issues. I know they don't take kids with extreme behaviors, but most schools will not.

You can try the Lourie Center in Rockville. I'm not a fan of them but others like them.

I don't understand this: you thought Maddux was a poor fit for your child because he has no behavior problems? There are lots of reasons why Maddux would be a poor fit, but that isn't one of them.

Yes, because the majority of kids has some kind of behavioral issues and we didn't want our kid copying those behaviors which he tended to do at the time. I also thought they were extremely expensive and said you had to use their ST and OT which was not covered by insurance (our insurance covers it). They said we could not opt out, but others here have said you can. We wanted a mix of kids, including those without SN at that stage and needed him in an environment that had very outgoing and social kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, have you even applied or talk to them to see if they will accept your child? You have posted (think it is you) multiple times about this. I get your concern, but you need to talk to them and/or apply. If it is severe, they may not take your child. I know a few kids who were not accepted under behavioral issues (the parents were livid, especially one who minimized the behaviors). They are looking for a good fit. I spoke with them but it didn't seem a good fit for our child as there were no behavioral issues. I know they don't take kids with extreme behaviors, but most schools will not.

You can try the Lourie Center in Rockville. I'm not a fan of them but others like them.

Yes, of course I have. Obviously, I have also talked to them. Come on, lady. The overall tone of your post is condescending and superior, so excuse my irritation, but I doubt many parents minimized their kids' behaviors, at least responsible parents, and I certainly have not. I also suspect that you are one of the parents with a child with severe language issues who claims that behavior issues are so much worse. My kid doesn't have speech issues but he has emotional regulation and impulsivity issues. There is no hierarchy of special needs, but you're right, kids that do not speak can be very easy to deal with if they are quiet and do not engage. Not sure that's "better."

[Anonymous]

When we were there it seemed to be one kid a year who was asked to leave, or not return the next year, always because of disruptive behavior that just proved to be unmanageable. They are very patient and good at what they do, but are not set up for kids who need a ton of 1:1 support. So I think you should ask yourself whether your kid can, with whatever medication intervention you are willing to provide, sit in a chair and perform classroom work most of the time. If he cannot help himself from jumping up and running around the room frequently, or from hitting other kids, then Maddux probably isn't going to be a good fit. There are plenty of kids with ADHD there (including ours) but the ADHD is either mild enough or well controlled enough with medication that they can function in a 15 person classroom with two teachers reasonably well.

What makes this hard, I think, is that there are a lot of kids who aren't doing well in their current big public school classrooms who turn out to do much better at Maddux--because the teacher/student ratio is better, because the teachers are better trained, and because they are meaningfully included in classroom activities rather than on the periphery. So sometimes they take a hopeful chance on a kid that doesn't end up working out. I don't think that's a bad thing. It wouldn't be good if they were much more cautious and didn't take chances. it just means (as PPs have said) that they are not perfect and not a panacea for everybody. Still, I believe they are going to make a better educated guess about whether it makes sense to try than you can. When I first visited I thought it would be a real stretch for them to take our son, because the kids and the classroom environment just seemed more orderly and capable than he was at that time. And I worried that they would decide they had made a mistake--especially when we took him off, for a time, the stimulant meds that he had been on for his evaluation visit. Over time it became clear that I was wrong, and that in that environment our DS was actually right at their sweet spot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When we were there it seemed to be one kid a year who was asked to leave, or not return the next year, always because of disruptive behavior that just proved to be unmanageable. They are very patient and good at what they do, but are not set up for kids who need a ton of 1:1 support. So I think you should ask yourself whether your kid can, with whatever medication intervention you are willing to provide, sit in a chair and perform classroom work most of the time. If he cannot help himself from jumping up and running around the room frequently, or from hitting other kids, then Maddux probably isn't going to be a good fit. There are plenty of kids with ADHD there (including ours) but the ADHD is either mild enough or well controlled enough with medication that they can function in a 15 person classroom with two teachers reasonably well.

What makes this hard, I think, is that there are a lot of kids who aren't doing well in their current big public school classrooms who turn out to do much better at Maddux--because the teacher/student ratio is better, because the teachers are better trained, and because they are meaningfully included in classroom activities rather than on the periphery. So sometimes they take a hopeful chance on a kid that doesn't end up working out. I don't think that's a bad thing. It wouldn't be good if they were much more cautious and didn't take chances. it just means (as PPs have said) that they are not perfect and not a panacea for everybody. Still, I believe they are going to make a better educated guess about whether it makes sense to try than you can. When I first visited I thought it would be a real stretch for them to take our son, because the kids and the classroom environment just seemed more orderly and capable than he was at that time. And I worried that they would decide they had made a mistake--especially when we took him off, for a time, the stimulant meds that he had been on for his evaluation visit. Over time it became clear that I was wrong, and that in that environment our DS was actually right at their sweet spot.

That is awesome, I am glad. OP here - my son had a disastrous year at pre-K when he was 3-4, and we went to PEP-equivalent in VA this year, where he has had an awesome year with just 12 kids. I have not heard any reports of hitting, etc., but he is highly impulsive and has a hard time regulating. So, yes, I am concerned and it is indeed hard to gauge whether he would be alright and how much 1:1 attention he would need.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, have you even applied or talk to them to see if they will accept your child? You have posted (think it is you) multiple times about this. I get your concern, but you need to talk to them and/or apply. If it is severe, they may not take your child. I know a few kids who were not accepted under behavioral issues (the parents were livid, especially one who minimized the behaviors). They are looking for a good fit. I spoke with them but it didn't seem a good fit for our child as there were no behavioral issues. I know they don't take kids with extreme behaviors, but most schools will not.

You can try the Lourie Center in Rockville. I'm not a fan of them but others like them.

Yes, of course I have. Obviously, I have also talked to them. Come on, lady. The overall tone of your post is condescending and superior, so excuse my irritation, but I doubt many parents minimized their kids' behaviors, at least responsible parents, and I certainly have not. I also suspect that you are one of the parents with a child with severe language issues who claims that behavior issues are so much worse. My kid doesn't have speech issues but he has emotional regulation and impulsivity issues. There is no hierarchy of special needs, but you're right, kids that do not speak can be very easy to deal with if they are quiet and do not engage. Not sure that's "better."

What reaction are you looking for? You keep posting here. What did they say? Why don't you just go ahead and apply? Clearly your child needs far more help than you are getting them and you need to make some changes to make things better for your child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, have you even applied or talk to them to see if they will accept your child? You have posted (think it is you) multiple times about this. I get your concern, but you need to talk to them and/or apply. If it is severe, they may not take your child. I know a few kids who were not accepted under behavioral issues (the parents were livid, especially one who minimized the behaviors). They are looking for a good fit. I spoke with them but it didn't seem a good fit for our child as there were no behavioral issues. I know they don't take kids with extreme behaviors, but most schools will not.

You can try the Lourie Center in Rockville. I'm not a fan of them but others like them.

Yes, of course I have. Obviously, I have also talked to them. Come on, lady. The overall tone of your post is condescending and superior, so excuse my irritation, but I doubt many parents minimized their kids' behaviors, at least responsible parents, and I certainly have not. I also suspect that you are one of the parents with a child with severe language issues who claims that behavior issues are so much worse. My kid doesn't have speech issues but he has emotional regulation and impulsivity issues. There is no hierarchy of special needs, but you're right, kids that do not speak can be very easy to deal with if they are quiet and do not engage. Not sure that's "better."

What reaction are you looking for? You keep posting here. What did they say? Why don't you just go ahead and apply? Clearly your child needs far more help than you are getting them and you need to make some changes to make things better for your child.

Um, WTF. How on earth do you know this? We were accepted. I am trying to figure out if its a good fit. My child has had intensive therapy for the past two years, has a dev ped, a neurologist, a behaviorist, and is on medication. He does CBT. What are you even prattling on about? He has made enormous progress but he does still indeed have ADHD and along with that go some disruptive behaviors. I am trying to figure out if this is right for him. If you have nothing constructive to contribute to that other than making yourself feel superior about your own child's minimal needs, which pale in the face of my horribly troubled child's, I suggest you scoot along and find a productive hobby.

[Anonymous]

My child has ASD (and ADHD, but we didn't know that when we entered Maddux). PK, at a different school, was also disastrous for us -- tons of disruptive behavior, including hitting, biting, and screaming. All of those behaviors vanished at Maddux. Kids do well when they can, and for my child Maddux was the environment that enabled doing well.

That of course can't be a guarantee that it is the right environment for every child, but to say that a child with disruptive behavior in another setting might do great at Maddux.

[Anonymous]

Kids get kicked out of diener too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My child has ASD (and ADHD, but we didn't know that when we entered Maddux). PK, at a different school, was also disastrous for us -- tons of disruptive behavior, including hitting, biting, and screaming. All of those behaviors vanished at Maddux. Kids do well when they can, and for my child Maddux was the environment that enabled doing well.

That of course can't be a guarantee that it is the right environment for every child, but to say that a child with disruptive behavior in another setting might do great at Maddux.

Agree. My child had a horrendous PK3 year in a bad setting and immediately dropped the "behaviors" in a more appropriate setting. Also 3 year olds are at the nadir of behavior anyway. Aggression peaks at 2.5-3 on average, so if your child is socially delayed (like mine) then 3-4 is going to be a very rough year in a bad setting.

[Anonymous]

We have been a Maddux family for 4 years and have only ever heard about one child being asked to leave during that time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kids get kicked out of diener too.

Really?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it is really severe and you live in MoCo, you might want to visit your public school that offers services for emotional disability support. A friend with a severely ADHD child has found it to be very good for her child. And they can't kick her child out. http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/special-education/programs-services/behavior-and-emotional-support.aspx

I have heard other people say this. We are in ACPS and do not have this option. I have been told by my son's current teacher to actively avoid the ED class, as it is self contained.

So is Maddux.

[Anonymous]

We have been at Maddux for five years and have heard of two kids being asked to leave. It is not a regular occurance and from the families I spoke with, it was done as a last resort after many different interventions failed.

Our DS also had "behaviors" at the two preschools he attended prior to Maddux. The "behaviors" were quickly extinguished when he started Maddux. The school has been life-changing for our DS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We have been a Maddux family for 4 years and have only ever heard about one child being asked to leave during that time.

Then you are not plugged in. The rate is one or two a year. And for us there was no warning, behavior plan or anything else. The conversation was along the lines, "It's not working out, find another school for next year."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids get kicked out of diener too.

Really?

Really.