Are more rich kids doing ROTC at college?

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Anonymous wrote:DH did it for two years at Georgetown. He's a trust fund kid and a great patriot and wanted to serve his country. After two years the early wake ups and long runs got to be too much and he quit.

Well, we thank him for his service.

Huh? Thank him for two years of ROTC? That is not service.

I think the wink meant the pp was saying it with a bit of sarcasm. I think DH regrets not sticking with it looking back.

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Anonymous wrote:DH did it for two years at Georgetown. He's a trust fund kid and a great patriot and wanted to serve his country. After two years the early wake ups and long runs got to be too much and he quit.

Well, we thank him for his service.

Huh? Thank him for two years of ROTC? That is not service.

I think the wink meant the pp was saying it with a bit of sarcasm. I think DH regrets not sticking with it looking back.

There is no shame in not sticking with it. He tried it. It wasn't for him. Perhaps he leaves with a better understanding and appreciation of the military. This is probably more than the PP can claim.

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Anonymous wrote:Upper middle class is not rich.

It depends on where you sit.

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Probably not but it's a good way to go. Military is hiring and there's plenty of room to go up the ladder. Our son enlisted, served four years, got college degree and is returning as a mustang. (Commissioned officer with enlisted service background, the very best place to be for future promotion).

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Isn't ROTC only up to the in-state tuition rate? So, in the case of a private like Notre Dame, those kids aren't getting $46k per year, they're only getting like $18k?

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Anonymous wrote:Upper middle class is not rich.

It depends on where you sit.

It is if you're UMC in the DC urban area. The rest of the country, excluding the NE corridor and LA, would consider you rich.

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Anonymous wrote:Probably not but it's a good way to go. Military is hiring and there's plenty of room to go up the ladder. Our son enlisted, served four years, got college degree and is returning as a mustang. (Commissioned officer with enlisted service background, the very best place to be for future promotion).

And, hey, it's not like our new Commander-in-Chief is likely to do anything that would put our troops at risk needlessly.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame has had a long history of having all four military branches on campus. We have ROTC for Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines. I believe I have heard it said that we also have one of the highest, if not the highest, percentages of students doing ROTC.

Why? I am not entirely sure, but I think it may have something to do with what Princeton Army ROTC grad said up above:

many families from middle or UMC families
high tuition
from families with a tradition of military service
from families trying to send a lot of children to college

I think the Catholic angle, patriotism angle helped too. Above the doors to Sacred Heart, the basilica on campus, it says, "God, Country, and Notre Dame," the message being that we are here on Earth to serve all three, in this order.

Norte dame is a crazy Christian school. The military has a huge religious bent to it - it doesn't take much reasoning to see why there's a bit overlap.

After college, I looked at Ocs. I was turned off when I was asked what my religion was by a recruiter.

I was never asked this at CIA. The military, within the natsec sphere, is poisoned with Christian fundy typeS.

No one on Earth that knows anything at all about Christian Fundamentalists or Catholics would put ND and "Christian fundy types" in the same sentence.

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Anonymous wrote:Define "rich"

Tiger Mom herself had a kid that is doing ROTC at Harvard. They're worth several million dollars. Base at YLS is probably $250k x 2 + her speaking engagements and book royalties.

https://www.thecrimson.com/topic/fifteen-most-interesting/sophia-chua-rubenfeld/

Daughter (much less at risk than a son), who feels the need to prove herself as more than just a child of privilege (her account).

Really offensive.

Signed,

A female combat vet with female friends who were KIA in Iraq

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I apologize; I hadn't realized the US military opened all combat roles to women last year.

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No OP ...still for the middle and lower class kids. Rich kids only do it when there is a strong family tradition of military service. Otherwise, it's blue collar folks who serve

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DH did it for two years at Georgetown. He's a trust fund kid and a great patriot and wanted to serve his country. After two years the early wake ups and long runs got to be too much and he quit.

Well, we thank him for his service.

Huh? Thank him for two years of ROTC? That is not service.

I think the wink meant the pp was saying it with a bit of sarcasm. I think DH regrets not sticking with it looking back.

There is no shame in not sticking with it. He tried it. It wasn't for him. Perhaps he leaves with a better understanding and appreciation of the military. This is probably more than the PP can claim.

No doubt about that. He is hugely supportive of the military and has many friends who serve

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Anonymous wrote:No OP ...still for the middle and lower class kids. Rich kids only do it when there is a strong family tradition of military service. Otherwise, it's blue collar folks who serve

We are UMC and our son enlisted, as stated in PP. He's going back in with a big incentive bonus as a commissioned naval officer. Many of his peers are still on their parents dime with little show of payoff for fancy educations. Our son receives, and has earned, a great deal of respect for choosing a different path out of a sense of duty and honor. We are Democrats and professionals.
Stereotypes are for fools.

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Anonymous wrote:No OP ...still for the middle and lower class kids. Rich kids only do it when there is a strong family tradition of military service. Otherwise, it's blue collar folks who serve

You are an ignorant troll! My family is UMC - and has been for generations - and three generations of us have all served as officers in the military - two Army, one Navy. We feel it is incumbent on us as citizens to serve our country. There is honor in that, and it is always a great career starter if you don't want to make a career in the military.

But actually, your viewpoint is why I completely favor bringing back conscription. Bearing arms on behalf of the United States, when directed by law, is a duty of citizenship, just as is paying your taxes, jury duty, etc. The sons and daughters of our upper and middle classes need to be put into service as well as those from "lesser" backgrounds.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Define "rich"

Tiger Mom herself had a kid that is doing ROTC at Harvard. They're worth several million dollars. Base at YLS is probably $250k x 2 + her speaking engagements and book royalties.

https://www.thecrimson.com/topic/fifteen-most-interesting/sophia-chua-rubenfeld/

Daughter (much less at risk than a son), who feels the need to prove herself as more than just a child of privilege (her account).

Good for her! Looks like Tiger Mom did everything right!