Is there a list of college acceptances for Wilson?

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I'm an independent high school counselor (with Ivy degrees) who can't stand Naviance. MOCO has long used the software as justification to cut college counselor positions. Wilson started using it after years of parents complaining bitterly that upperclassmen were getting less and less face time with (dramatically overworked) counselors. This increasingly popular software program has a grim way of reducing kids to graded, GPAs and scores, leading a great many to sell themselves short in applying to colleges. Families of the brightest college bound kids often don't understand that elite colleges value intangibles like intellectual curiosity, passion, motivation, drive, talent, strong executive function skills, creativity etc. over grades and rank in class. I encourage my clients to take the data Naviance spits out with a grain of salt (or a bag of salt in many cases). High schools commonly manipulate Naviance data on where kids apply and are accepted or rejected, because self reporting is the rule (colleges and private schools seldom use Naviance, and for good reason). I've seen kids Naviance effectively advised not to apply to Ivies get into multiple Ivies.

PS. Few Wilson kids get into Ivies, few who get into Ivies chose not to attend, and many false application narratives are in the mix.

What does this mean?

To me it means PP is a troll, who has a vested interest as an independent high school counselor, in making Wilson students look bad. Very unprofessional.

So the big list of MOCO acceptances that gets posted in Bethesda Magazine each year, is false or are they getting their data from somewhere else?

Independent counselor here, with children in DCPS. Wilson parents hire me, and some of their kids are terrific college applicants, elite college material without knowing it before working with me. Scant DCPS college counseling resources are the problem. MOCO families face different challenges, mainly terrible pressure to ensure that their kids test into super duper magnet programs for 4th, 6th and 9th grades. Suburban HS magnet programs commonly hire college counselors serving only their students.

Where Naviance data on applications goes, counselors often enter information about a student applying to a college without knowing that an applicant didn't complete the application (e.g. going through with an interview). In most cases, only the applicant learns the admissions result, and kids commonly don't follow up with counselors to report admissions outcomes, or don't report them accurately (to save face). Thus, it's impossible to verify the accuracy of Naviance data schools release, not just at Wilson. Right, a troll.

Thanks for the clarification.

So the big list of MOCO acceptances that gets posted in Bethesda Magazine each year, is false or are they getting their data from somewhere else? And you also know for a fact that the data at Wilson is compromised in some way? You could at least do your part and be in touch with the counselors at Wilson to make sure they have up to date information about your clients. I see you didn't mention whether or not you even do that.

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Some public school students and parents don't want their "college lists" and admissions outcomes made public, even without their names associated with Naviance-generated admissions data a school releases. Independent schools have long advertised lists of colleges graduates attend, not acceptances and rejections. Many public schools are following suit. I advise clients they are under no legal obligation to make private admissions information public via a school's counseling office and Naviance subscription.

In the past, colleges almost always required a school guidance counselor's report to accompany an application. This is changing. Many colleges now permit applicants to bypass their assigned counselor, partly because the spread of home schooling and early college programs (public high school students taking college courses at the taxpayer's expense) is shaping application requirements and practices. Public school counselors with hundreds of kids to advise aren't complaining that they need not be involved in every application submitted by the students they serve.

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Anonymous wrote:Some public school students and parents don't want their "college lists" and admissions outcomes made public, even without their names associated with Naviance-generated admissions data a school releases. Independent schools have long advertised lists of colleges graduates attend, not acceptances and rejections. Many public schools are following suit. I advise clients they are under no legal obligation to make private admissions information public via a school's counseling office and Naviance subscription.

In the past, colleges almost always required a school guidance counselor's report to accompany an application. This is changing. Many colleges now permit applicants to bypass their assigned counselor, partly because the spread of home schooling and early college programs (public high school students taking college courses at the taxpayer's expense) is shaping application requirements and practices. Public school counselors with hundreds of kids to advise aren't complaining that they need not be involved in every application submitted by the students they serve.

We aren't talking about some schools- we are talking about specifically about Wilson. So I'm not sure your advice has much relevance here.

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Anonymous wrote:Also important to point out that Wilson families can see where students apply, accept and enroll over the last few years by using Naviance. The list of colleges is just a small snapshot. So for example for the 2016 graduates applying to HYP - 9 students applied to Princeton, 1 was accepted and 0 enrolled. Harvard 12 applied, 2 were accepted and 2 enrolled. Yale 10 applied, 1 was accepted and 1 enrolled.

NP, who is finding this thread interesting. Naviance Parent, can you please post similar data for 2016 Wilson grads for other colleges? That info would help us all understand lots more. I wouldn't want you to post details about GPA or SAT scores, but rather just how many were applied/admitted/attending info for each college, like you did for the HYP schools. Probably too much work to cover all the colleges, but can you at least post info for the Ivy schools, Stanford, MIT, Michigan, and similar places? TIA

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Anonymous wrote:Some public school students and parents don't want their "college lists" and admissions outcomes made public, even without their names associated with Naviance-generated admissions data a school releases. Independent schools have long advertised lists of colleges graduates attend, not acceptances and rejections. Many public schools are following suit. I advise clients they are under no legal obligation to make private admissions information public via a school's counseling office and Naviance subscription.

In the past, colleges almost always required a school guidance counselor's report to accompany an application. This is changing. Many colleges now permit applicants to bypass their assigned counselor, partly because the spread of home schooling and early college programs (public high school students taking college courses at the taxpayer's expense) is shaping application requirements and practices. Public school counselors with hundreds of kids to advise aren't complaining that they need not be involved in every application submitted by the students they serve.

We aren't talking about some schools- we are talking about specifically about Wilson. So I'm not sure your advice has much relevance here.

Exactly, specifically Wilson. Some of the kids applying to Ivies from Wilson (several dozen per admissions season) do not complete applications to schools for which counselors have provided a letter of recommendation, or tell a Wilson counselor what the admissions result was for a completed application. Counselors learn admissions results from students and parents, not from the colleges themselves, and counselors enter data into Naviance. You can get a read on admissions trends at a school from the data, not more.

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Anonymous wrote:Some public school students and parents don't want their "college lists" and admissions outcomes made public, even without their names associated with Naviance-generated admissions data a school releases. Independent schools have long advertised lists of colleges graduates attend, not acceptances and rejections. Many public schools are following suit. I advise clients they are under no legal obligation to make private admissions information public via a school's counseling office and Naviance subscription.

In the past, colleges almost always required a school guidance counselor's report to accompany an application. This is changing. Many colleges now permit applicants to bypass their assigned counselor, partly because the spread of home schooling and early college programs (public high school students taking college courses at the taxpayer's expense) is shaping application requirements and practices. Public school counselors with hundreds of kids to advise aren't complaining that they need not be involved in every application submitted by the students they serve.

We aren't talking about some schools- we are talking about specifically about Wilson. So I'm not sure your advice has much relevance here.

Exactly, specifically Wilson. Some of the kids applying to Ivies from Wilson (several dozen per admissions season) do not complete applications to schools for which counselors have provided a letter of recommendation, or tell a Wilson counselor what the admissions result was for a completed application. Counselors learn admissions results from students and parents, not from the colleges themselves, and counselors enter data into Naviance. You can get a read on admissions trends at a school from the data, not more.

That's all that parents want to get. So I don't get the advice to take it with a grain of salt - for some of us this data is more than we used to get - which was absolutely nothing. So then to my earlier point - all of the stuff that is in Bethesda Magazine listing the applications and acceptances for every college for every high schools should be suspect then because my guess is all of that data comes from Naviance and is student/family reported as well. Or does MOCO have some special corner on the market for clean data?

Sorry I'm being pissy about this but I hate when so-called experts tell parents to ignore this or that OR do this or that. Wilson parents can access the Naviance data themselves and decide for themselves how they choose to use it. The End.

PS. For others outside of the Wilson community wanting to see those stats - befriend a Wilson parent and maybe they will share.

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For those of you thinking of moving from private to Wilson. Do not do it. My son is in 9th grade and it has been very disappointing. This is when we have been public the whole way. Wilson feels like the Wild West compared to ES and MS. Kudos to the handful of kids who are able to navigate through the chaos and disinterest of administrators. 5 or 6 Ivy acceptances among a class of 400 is not all that impressive.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you thinking of moving from private to Wilson. Do not do it. My son is in 9th grade and it has been very disappointing. This is when we have been public the whole way. Wilson feels like the Wild West compared to ES and MS. Kudos to the handful of kids who are able to navigate through the chaos and disinterest of administrators. 5 or 6 Ivy acceptances among a class of 400 is not all that impressive.

Many kids are happy at Wilson and do very well there. No school is for everyone and it sounds like Wilson is not for your kid. No need to generalize with your sample of one.

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I'm also surprised at all the Wilson defenders. My kid is in 10th there but I don't need to pretend that it is all roses and sunshine.
9th grade was definitely very weak. 10th is a small improvement. Some of the teachers just don't care and the administrators are worse.
Most kids go to mediocre colleges. Big deal if 10 kids out of 450 go to top tier.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm also surprised at all the Wilson defenders. My kid is in 10th there but I don't need to pretend that it is all roses and sunshine.
9th grade was definitely very weak. 10th is a small improvement. Some of the teachers just don't care and the administrators are worse.
Most kids go to mediocre colleges. Big deal if 10 kids out of 450 go to top tier.

What is up with spewing inaccurate info. It's not 10 students and I don't think Wilson has had a senior class of 450 lately. If you don't like the school, move on. Don't spew lies. Too much of that going on already.

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There is no way more than 10 kids from one Wilson class are going to Ivy's. Class size by senior year is more like 300. Forgot how many people drop out.

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It is the most segregated school within DCPS...

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What the heck does that mean? Wilson and Walls are the most integrated high schools in DCPS, no competition.

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It is less segregated than all other DC high schools.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way more than 10 kids from one Wilson class are going to Ivy's. Class size by senior year is more like 300. Forgot how many people drop out.

Accepted is the key word.