2 1/2 year old with possible mixed receptive expressive language disorder

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Anonymous wrote:Is Verbal Behavior approach a good program for young kids with MERLD? Is MERLD similar to the new DSM diagnosis of Social Communication Disorder?


They are intermixed often. What are you describing as verbal behavioral approach? There are multiple approaches and it really depends on the kid.
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Anonymous wrote:There's no "sticking to the topic" for neuro disordered. They categorically do not work that way. Your kid isn't talking at almost three, there is likely a reason and it isn't likely to be limited. That's the scientific truth.


Whose scientific truth are you referring to? Your's? I know many kids with just language disorders. Its not autism. But, back to the original post, what do you have useful for OP?


To get an eval and not join your cracked out Facebook group.


The child had an evaluation. Read the post. Why do you always have to be so nasty? Do you really think its helpful?


He saw a speech therapist. That's not an evaluation and that's your problem right there.


Speech pathologist do language evaluations. Should she get a more global assessment, yes, but speech pathologists are qualified to do language testing. There is absolutely no need to be so nasty. Why can't you be supportive and helpful? She (or he) is just starting the process and trying to figure it out. You are in a very different place. I feel bad for you that you feel the need to behave as you do.


It's not more compassionate somehow to make every post about a speech delay about you, and your agenda of autism versus "language children," which is an entirely made up, self serving thing. You dominate all of these threads with your nonsense and it is maddening. Quit owning yourself as some great language crusader.


It never started out about me or any of the other MERLD parents or kids on here. It started out as offering support, which then you turned into a rant about MERLD vs. Autism. OP asked what it was. You derailed it. You do not have a language kid, so why do you have to come on every language thread and derail it with your attacks. If you want to offer support, great, but instead of support, every thread is a tangent with misinformation that you make up about our kids, without even meeting them. No one is going on an autism vs. language disorder. OP topic was about MERLD. It was not about autism. And, yet, pages later you still rant about the debate you created without offering anything of substance. Or, did you create this thread to start a debate? Makes me start to wonder.


Quote the post where it turned into a rant about Merld versus autism and paste it. You're the one who brought it up like you do every time. Nobody gives a duck about meeting your kid. Don't be such a raging narcissist. Other people's problems are not an excuse for you to talk about yourself endlessly.


Are you done derailing the thread, being nasty and diagnosing kids differently as you see fit? How about giving a little help and support instead.


1. You derailed the thread, as you well know, given that the only posts about autism versus merld were authored by you and so you cannot post one, or quote.

2. I am actually the one suggesting that you and your Facebook group do not diagnose her child, but that she go to a developmental pediatrician, and go from there. I have no idea, and nor do you, what is going on, nor would I purport to do so and refer her to, say, my son's epilepsy page because that sounds a lot like what my son with epilepsy looked like.


Facebook MERLD groups -- the good ones -- don't "diagnose" children. Get off your high horse. They are a support group for those of us faced with people like you.


Protect from people like me? People who think you should not act like autism is the third rail and make sure to ram your autism versus "language kids" down everyone's throat? people like me who think that people with serious developmental concerns should have their children evaluated by developmental experts regardless of whether they are afraid or unwilling to hear the results of such evaluations? I am not who you need protecting from, PP. You are such a victim and suffer from so much projection it is impossible to get through to you - I have seen so many try and fail on this forum. Why don't you just stick to your group where you can limit your world to like minded people and continue believing its your "language kids" up against the horrible cruel world insisting that they all have autism. There is no such conspiracy out there other than in your own mind.


No thanks. We won't "stick to our own group" because parents need to understand that not every condition is autism.

Our MERLD group absolutely encourages a thorough evaluation by a skilled clinician -- not the 15 minute drive-by ASD diagnosis that so many get. Parents need to be educated, especially when it comes to those educational labels the schools give.

And as far as the third rail comment goes, it is not MERLD parents who create the idea that autism is a third rail. It is the entire culture of perfection we have in this country. People don't want their children to have MERLD, either.
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Anonymous wrote:There's no "sticking to the topic" for neuro disordered. They categorically do not work that way. Your kid isn't talking at almost three, there is likely a reason and it isn't likely to be limited. That's the scientific truth.


Whose scientific truth are you referring to? Your's? I know many kids with just language disorders. Its not autism. But, back to the original post, what do you have useful for OP?


To get an eval and not join your cracked out Facebook group.


The child had an evaluation. Read the post. Why do you always have to be so nasty? Do you really think its helpful?


He saw a speech therapist. That's not an evaluation and that's your problem right there.


Speech pathologist do language evaluations. Should she get a more global assessment, yes, but speech pathologists are qualified to do language testing. There is absolutely no need to be so nasty. Why can't you be supportive and helpful? She (or he) is just starting the process and trying to figure it out. You are in a very different place. I feel bad for you that you feel the need to behave as you do.


It's not more compassionate somehow to make every post about a speech delay about you, and your agenda of autism versus "language children," which is an entirely made up, self serving thing. You dominate all of these threads with your nonsense and it is maddening. Quit owning yourself as some great language crusader.


It never started out about me or any of the other MERLD parents or kids on here. It started out as offering support, which then you turned into a rant about MERLD vs. Autism. OP asked what it was. You derailed it. You do not have a language kid, so why do you have to come on every language thread and derail it with your attacks. If you want to offer support, great, but instead of support, every thread is a tangent with misinformation that you make up about our kids, without even meeting them. No one is going on an autism vs. language disorder. OP topic was about MERLD. It was not about autism. And, yet, pages later you still rant about the debate you created without offering anything of substance. Or, did you create this thread to start a debate? Makes me start to wonder.


Quote the post where it turned into a rant about Merld versus autism and paste it. You're the one who brought it up like you do every time. Nobody gives a duck about meeting your kid. Don't be such a raging narcissist. Other people's problems are not an excuse for you to talk about yourself endlessly.


Are you done derailing the thread, being nasty and diagnosing kids differently as you see fit? How about giving a little help and support instead.


1. You derailed the thread, as you well know, given that the only posts about autism versus merld were authored by you and so you cannot post one, or quote.

2. I am actually the one suggesting that you and your Facebook group do not diagnose her child, but that she go to a developmental pediatrician, and go from there. I have no idea, and nor do you, what is going on, nor would I purport to do so and refer her to, say, my son's epilepsy page because that sounds a lot like what my son with epilepsy looked like.


Facebook MERLD groups -- the good ones -- don't "diagnose" children. Get off your high horse. They are a support group for those of us faced with people like you.


Protect from people like me? People who think you should not act like autism is the third rail and make sure to ram your autism versus "language kids" down everyone's throat? people like me who think that people with serious developmental concerns should have their children evaluated by developmental experts regardless of whether they are afraid or unwilling to hear the results of such evaluations? I am not who you need protecting from, PP. You are such a victim and suffer from so much projection it is impossible to get through to you - I have seen so many try and fail on this forum. Why don't you just stick to your group where you can limit your world to like minded people and continue believing its your "language kids" up against the horrible cruel world insisting that they all have autism. There is no such conspiracy out there other than in your own mind.


No thanks. We won't "stick to our own group" because parents need to understand that not every condition is autism.

Our MERLD group absolutely encourages a thorough evaluation by a skilled clinician -- not the 15 minute drive-by ASD diagnosis that so many get. Parents need to be educated, especially when it comes to those educational labels the schools give.

And as far as the third rail comment goes, it is not MERLD parents who create the idea that autism is a third rail. It is the entire culture of perfection we have in this country. People don't want their children to have MERLD, either.


I have never, ever, never heard of that happening.
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Anonymous wrote:There's no "sticking to the topic" for neuro disordered. They categorically do not work that way. Your kid isn't talking at almost three, there is likely a reason and it isn't likely to be limited. That's the scientific truth.


Whose scientific truth are you referring to? Your's? I know many kids with just language disorders. Its not autism. But, back to the original post, what do you have useful for OP?


To get an eval and not join your cracked out Facebook group.


The child had an evaluation. Read the post. Why do you always have to be so nasty? Do you really think its helpful?


He saw a speech therapist. That's not an evaluation and that's your problem right there.


Speech pathologist do language evaluations. Should she get a more global assessment, yes, but speech pathologists are qualified to do language testing. There is absolutely no need to be so nasty. Why can't you be supportive and helpful? She (or he) is just starting the process and trying to figure it out. You are in a very different place. I feel bad for you that you feel the need to behave as you do.


It's not more compassionate somehow to make every post about a speech delay about you, and your agenda of autism versus "language children," which is an entirely made up, self serving thing. You dominate all of these threads with your nonsense and it is maddening. Quit owning yourself as some great language crusader.


It never started out about me or any of the other MERLD parents or kids on here. It started out as offering support, which then you turned into a rant about MERLD vs. Autism. OP asked what it was. You derailed it. You do not have a language kid, so why do you have to come on every language thread and derail it with your attacks. If you want to offer support, great, but instead of support, every thread is a tangent with misinformation that you make up about our kids, without even meeting them. No one is going on an autism vs. language disorder. OP topic was about MERLD. It was not about autism. And, yet, pages later you still rant about the debate you created without offering anything of substance. Or, did you create this thread to start a debate? Makes me start to wonder.


Quote the post where it turned into a rant about Merld versus autism and paste it. You're the one who brought it up like you do every time. Nobody gives a duck about meeting your kid. Don't be such a raging narcissist. Other people's problems are not an excuse for you to talk about yourself endlessly.


Are you done derailing the thread, being nasty and diagnosing kids differently as you see fit? How about giving a little help and support instead.


1. You derailed the thread, as you well know, given that the only posts about autism versus merld were authored by you and so you cannot post one, or quote.

2. I am actually the one suggesting that you and your Facebook group do not diagnose her child, but that she go to a developmental pediatrician, and go from there. I have no idea, and nor do you, what is going on, nor would I purport to do so and refer her to, say, my son's epilepsy page because that sounds a lot like what my son with epilepsy looked like.


Facebook MERLD groups -- the good ones -- don't "diagnose" children. Get off your high horse. They are a support group for those of us faced with people like you.


Protect from people like me? People who think you should not act like autism is the third rail and make sure to ram your autism versus "language kids" down everyone's throat? people like me who think that people with serious developmental concerns should have their children evaluated by developmental experts regardless of whether they are afraid or unwilling to hear the results of such evaluations? I am not who you need protecting from, PP. You are such a victim and suffer from so much projection it is impossible to get through to you - I have seen so many try and fail on this forum. Why don't you just stick to your group where you can limit your world to like minded people and continue believing its your "language kids" up against the horrible cruel world insisting that they all have autism. There is no such conspiracy out there other than in your own mind.


No thanks. We won't "stick to our own group" because parents need to understand that not every condition is autism.

Our MERLD group absolutely encourages a thorough evaluation by a skilled clinician -- not the 15 minute drive-by ASD diagnosis that so many get. Parents need to be educated, especially when it comes to those educational labels the schools give.

And as far as the third rail comment goes, it is not MERLD parents who create the idea that autism is a third rail. It is the entire culture of perfection we have in this country. People don't want their children to have MERLD, either.


I have never, ever, never heard of that happening.


+1000 Me either... but then we saw a developmental pediatrician and had a full neuropsych evaluation done instead of just relying on a speech therapist and/or OT to diagnose our kid.
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I'm not going to quote you because it's too long but nobody assumes all condistions are autism. When your child is delayed in receptive language it is much more likely that they have autism or a cognitive issue than it is for say kids with an expressive delay. That is why you have encountered this and have extrapolated your experience incorrectly to the entire population of special needs parents. The bottom line is that if your kid has a significant receptive delay you should get a full eval from a dev ped and a neuropsychologist is he is school age. It does not mean it is autism but it is likely something. Merld is not an innocuous diagnosis.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to quote you because it's too long but nobody assumes all condistions are autism. When your child is delayed in receptive language it is much more likely that they have autism or a cognitive issue than it is for say kids with an expressive delay. That is why you have encountered this and have extrapolated your experience incorrectly to the entire population of special needs parents. The bottom line is that if your kid has a significant receptive delay you should get a full eval from a dev ped and a neuropsychologist is he is school age. It does not mean it is autism but it is likely something. Merld is not an innocuous diagnosis.



You keep saying that but not all kids need a full evaluation at school age. Many have been repeatedly evaluated and the parents (and some schools) understand what is going on. If a child is demonstrating new issues or ones that need further looked at, then yes, a full exam is important but you don't do a full exam to do one. Either way, this isn't about a school aged child, it is about a 2.5 year old.
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Our original appointment was about 45 minutes. Evaluator spent most of the time talking to me and only a few evaluating my child. Every time we see him, its about 45 minutes, at most.

You all say it never happens but that is how our developmental ped appointments go.
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Anonymous wrote:Our original appointment was about 45 minutes. Evaluator spent most of the time talking to me and only a few evaluating my child. Every time we see him, its about 45 minutes, at most.

You all say it never happens but that is how our developmental ped appointments go.


Oh, Lord. I know who this is. It's b/c your kid had always been non-verbal and had virtually no response to people (even you his mother) by the time you sought professional help. It may not be autism. Have you considered RAD?
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Anonymous wrote:As they say, pp, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... or in your case does not quack. I honestly suspect that the reality is that autism does not mean the debilitating disorder that many think. The kids on the Merld board often sound very very likely mildly to moderately impacted by asd.


Stop it. This child is not diagnosed with ASD and you shouldn't be trying to force an ASD diagnosis into this conversation. OP had specific questions about MERLD. Let MERLD Mom answer them.
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OP, my kid was originally diagnosed with MERLD and I spent a long time looking for information and resources. It is much harder to find for MERLD than for ASD or ADHD or other learning disabilities.

You are lucky to have a diagnosis so early because the sooner you begin speech therapy, the better your results will be. It is not weird to diagnose this. A 2 year old that doesn't speak has SOMETHING going on. A MERLD diagnosis is pointing towards a processing problem rather than a hearing problem (deaf) or an attention problem (ADHD) or a social communication problem (autism) or cognitive problem (developmental delay). My son didn't get any diagnosis until he was 5. I wish we had started sooner.

Long term outlook is good. Kids with MERLD can become fully functional as adults, although they may continue to have some deficits when compared to age matched peers. It probably won't stop her going to college or dating, as long as she has a normal IQ.

Weekly speech therapy is expensive. We were doing 2 hours a week and paying for all of it out of pocket. Insurance doesn't cover MERLD but it usually covers ASD, so keep that in mind when considering whether you want to pursue an ASD label. Some people get them just to satisfy the requirements of their insurance policy. If you need help with speech therapy, public schools are required to provide preschool and intervention for special needs kids so contact your school district about their program. They can do some speech therapy for her, and you can still do some private ST if you want. If you have access to a university with a graduate program in speech therapy, you can usually get sliding scale services from their graduate program.
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Anonymous wrote:Our original appointment was about 45 minutes. Evaluator spent most of the time talking to me and only a few evaluating my child. Every time we see him, its about 45 minutes, at most.

You all say it never happens but that is how our developmental ped appointments go.


NP here. Our first developmental ped was like this. She ruled out autism, btw, based on a cursory evaluation. A fuller evaluation (with a different provider) diagnosed autism (which is undoubtedly the correct diagnosis). So a cursory diagnosis doesn't necessarily mean that you'll leave with an autism diagnosis. But does absolutely mean that you are getting poor care.
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Anonymous wrote:Our original appointment was about 45 minutes. Evaluator spent most of the time talking to me and only a few evaluating my child. Every time we see him, its about 45 minutes, at most.

You all say it never happens but that is how our developmental ped appointments go.


NP here. Our first developmental ped was like this. She ruled out autism, btw, based on a cursory evaluation. A fuller evaluation (with a different provider) diagnosed autism (which is undoubtedly the correct diagnosis). So a cursory diagnosis doesn't necessarily mean that you'll leave with an autism diagnosis. But does absolutely mean that you are getting poor care.


We've gotten great care, poor diagnosis. He's been amazing at offering us every kind of possible service to try, getting funding continually approved for the services I wanted, and supportive of our choices. More importantly, when I knew something wasn't right (new concern), I called and emailed and he called me back within hours talking me through what I needed to know and getting us a speciality appointment within days. He now has changed his thinking as the child gets older. It depends on the provider. The strengths outweigh the negatives as the important thing was getting the services which our regular ped could not get for us despite trying. Him getting insurance to help pay for the services we were privately paying for has been a huge help.
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Anonymous wrote:Is Verbal Behavior approach a good program for young kids with MERLD? Is MERLD similar to the new DSM diagnosis of Social Communication Disorder?


They are intermixed often. What are you describing as verbal behavioral approach? There are multiple approaches and it really depends on the kid.


Verbal Behavior is a specific style of ABA, discrete trial instruction.
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Anonymous wrote:Is Verbal Behavior approach a good program for young kids with MERLD? Is MERLD similar to the new DSM diagnosis of Social Communication Disorder?


They are intermixed often. What are you describing as verbal behavioral approach? There are multiple approaches and it really depends on the kid.


Verbal Behavior is a specific style of ABA, discrete trial instruction.


It really depends on the provider and child. We tried ABA. I really liked our provider. She was warm, sweet, engaging and listened to me and the speech pathologist on our concerns. She tried very hard. But, I didn't find it helpful as she was basically working on speech (she was not trained in speech) and always several steps behind what the speech pathologists were doing. We dropped it. I know other kids who have greatly benefitted from it. At 2-3, I would try it if your insurance will pay for it. If you don't like it, you drop it. But, at least you tried. I would not private pay for it like I would (did) speech therapy) for a kid with only language issues (for autism I would).
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If you are private paying for ABA, you can also look into Floor Time and other styles. Our insurance only paid for ABA, but I know people who raved about Floor Time.
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