Law firms now demoting partners .

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Anonymous wrote:This is really disconcerting in the sense that there's no really no incentive nowadays to want to rise to the top of your field.

Why is it disconcerting that there is little incentive for anyone with their eyes open to gun for partnership? There is still money to be made. After 9 years in big law, I have over 400k cash in savings, not including my retirement savings and shares of stock. All of it is mine and, because I'm an associate, the firm doesn't get to come askint for my money in the name of capital contributions. I'm applying to exit to the government or in house and, with the connections I've made over these 9 years, I'll be just fine.

--Senior associate

You know how easily you could have made that in finance? One year, one good bonus. Actually, depending on where you are and what you do, a lot of people wouldn't even call 800k a "good" bonus.

PP there's quite the falsehood in your statement and it also explain why kids go out there and load obscene of debt on themselves to secure MBAs hoping to become overnight millionaires . Contrary to popular belief $800k bonuses aren't rampant and plentiful in finance . You have to be at the very best and top of the field to start contemplating 7 figure bonuses .

I made over 600k in bonus last year and trust me I'm not among the "very best." I'm pretty good, I have a solid track record, but if I was among the best I'd be making several mil every year. As it is, I only cracked 7 figures once.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not new. And yes, if it's really to non-equity they will get their capital back. There are some firms with partial equity tiers where they might only get a portion of capital back now.

The question isn't just if they get their capital, it's when. Most firms have partnership agreements that allow them to repay capital over a ridiculously long period of time. And if a partner is de-equitized for performance reasons, s/he isn't always eligible for the return of all his/her capital.

--Senior associate

It is more and more common for firms to delay return of capital for partners jumping to other firms. But I'd be surprised if firms played games with returning capital to de-equitized partners.

Lol. You're an optimist, aren't you? Do you know any de-equitized partners? I do.

--Senior associate

Well, you are clearly all knowing since you are "Senior Associate." I am sure heaps of de-equitized partners are pouring out their souls to "Senior Associate" and other partners are giving "Senior Associate" a copy of the partnership for his perusal.

Lol. First, I'm not male, you ignorant dummy. Second, this post makes obvious that you're either not in big law or very junior on the rung. I'm always amused when people like you talk as if partnership is a mafia complete with omerta. Of course, partners talk and disclose their agreements to close friends. I count both income and equity partners at my firm and other firms as friends. I know what many of them are making down to the penny, hence how I have decided this isn't for me. I also know partners who have been de-equitized and there are several bases on which firms can and have screwed them out of full return of capital. Imagine that! Bet Above the Law didn't tell you that.

Forgive me. I assumed that anyone pompous enough to believe referring to him/herself as "Senior Associate" conveyed some gravitas and authority would be male. But you are right. Females can be self-important a-holes as well. As for me, I am at Wilson Elser so I most certainly am in Biglaw.

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This thread jumped into the douche bag end of the pool pretty quickly.

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Anonymous wrote:This is really disconcerting in the sense that there's no really no incentive nowadays to want to rise to the top of your field.

Why is it disconcerting that there is little incentive for anyone with their eyes open to gun for partnership? There is still money to be made. After 9 years in big law, I have over 400k cash in savings, not including my retirement savings and shares of stock. All of it is mine and, because I'm an associate, the firm doesn't get to come askint for my money in the name of capital contributions. I'm applying to exit to the government or in house and, with the connections I've made over these 9 years, I'll be just fine.

--Senior associate

You know how easily you could have made that in finance? One year, one good bonus. Actually, depending on where you are and what you do, a lot of people wouldn't even call 800k a "good" bonus.

Why is there always an idiot who posts this tripe about finance? :rolleyes: No, this is not "easily" made in finance. You're talking about top, rare earners who work worse hours than big law and get fired way more quickly. Do you have any close relationships with anyone at a bonus-eligible hedge fund or investment banking job?

--Senior Associate

I should also add that, for the very rare few who make the bonuses you describe, those bonuses come with ridiculous years-long clawback and vesting provisions. Stop parroting nonsense you have read and don't understand firsthand.

What? No they really don't. How about YOU stop parroting nonsense you obviously know jack shit about.

NP for someone who apparently Knows more you haven't said jack yourself . The PP is right , this idea that finance is filled with mega bonuses is simply urban legend

Like I'm going to share my work history on a message board! Lol. I'm not insane. As for the bonuses, a 600k bonus is not "mega." The fact that you seem to think so and that it's rare is sad. I guess you need to tell yourself that to feel better about the piddling amount you make. I only commented in the first place because your bragging about stashing 400k away over 9 year period struck me as so sad and pathetic. It just reinforces for me the idea that going into law for the money is not a good idea.

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Anonymous wrote:This is really disconcerting in the sense that there's no really no incentive nowadays to want to rise to the top of your field.

Why is it disconcerting that there is little incentive for anyone with their eyes open to gun for partnership? There is still money to be made. After 9 years in big law, I have over 400k cash in savings, not including my retirement savings and shares of stock. All of it is mine and, because I'm an associate, the firm doesn't get to come askint for my money in the name of capital contributions. I'm applying to exit to the government or in house and, with the connections I've made over these 9 years, I'll be just fine.

--Senior associate

You know how easily you could have made that in finance? One year, one good bonus. Actually, depending on where you are and what you do, a lot of people wouldn't even call 800k a "good" bonus.

Why is there always an idiot who posts this tripe about finance? :rolleyes: No, this is not "easily" made in finance. You're talking about top, rare earners who work worse hours than big law and get fired way more quickly. Do you have any close relationships with anyone at a bonus-eligible hedge fund or investment banking job?

--Senior Associate

I should also add that, for the very rare few who make the bonuses you describe, those bonuses come with ridiculous years-long clawback and vesting provisions. Stop parroting nonsense you have read and don't understand firsthand.

What? No they really don't. How about YOU stop parroting nonsense you obviously know jack shit about.

NP for someone who apparently Knows more you haven't said jack yourself . The PP is right , this idea that finance is filled with mega bonuses is simply urban legend

Like I'm going to share my work history on a message board! Lol. I'm not insane. As for the bonuses, a 600k bonus is not "mega." The fact that you seem to think so and that it's rare is sad. I guess you need to tell yourself that to feel better about the piddling amount you make. I only commented in the first place because your bragging about stashing 400k away over 9 year period struck me as so sad and pathetic. It just reinforces for me the idea that going into law for the money is not a good idea.

I'm not the one who claimed to have saved $400k which is why the initials NP ( new poster) are written before my comment . I'm glad you know how much I make based on my comment , that's quite the sign of intelligence .

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Anonymous wrote:This is really disconcerting in the sense that there's no really no incentive nowadays to want to rise to the top of your field.

Why is it disconcerting that there is little incentive for anyone with their eyes open to gun for partnership? There is still money to be made. After 9 years in big law, I have over 400k cash in savings, not including my retirement savings and shares of stock. All of it is mine and, because I'm an associate, the firm doesn't get to come askint for my money in the name of capital contributions. I'm applying to exit to the government or in house and, with the connections I've made over these 9 years, I'll be just fine.

--Senior associate

You know how easily you could have made that in finance? One year, one good bonus. Actually, depending on where you are and what you do, a lot of people wouldn't even call 800k a "good" bonus.

PP there's quite the falsehood in your statement and it also explain why kids go out there and load obscene of debt on themselves to secure MBAs hoping to become overnight millionaires . Contrary to popular belief $800k bonuses aren't rampant and plentiful in finance . You have to be at the very best and top of the field to start contemplating 7 figure bonuses .

I made over 600k in bonus last year and trust me I'm not among the "very best." I'm pretty good, I have a solid track record, but if I was among the best I'd be making several mil every year. As it is, I only cracked 7 figures once.

PP If I may ask, how old are you?

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Anonymous wrote:This is really disconcerting in the sense that there's no really no incentive nowadays to want to rise to the top of your field.

Why is it disconcerting that there is little incentive for anyone with their eyes open to gun for partnership? There is still money to be made. After 9 years in big law, I have over 400k cash in savings, not including my retirement savings and shares of stock. All of it is mine and, because I'm an associate, the firm doesn't get to come askint for my money in the name of capital contributions. I'm applying to exit to the government or in house and, with the connections I've made over these 9 years, I'll be just fine.

--Senior associate

You know how easily you could have made that in finance? One year, one good bonus. Actually, depending on where you are and what you do, a lot of people wouldn't even call 800k a "good" bonus.

Why is there always an idiot who posts this tripe about finance? :rolleyes: No, this is not "easily" made in finance. You're talking about top, rare earners who work worse hours than big law and get fired way more quickly. Do you have any close relationships with anyone at a bonus-eligible hedge fund or investment banking job?

--Senior Associate

I should also add that, for the very rare few who make the bonuses you describe, those bonuses come with ridiculous years-long clawback and vesting provisions. Stop parroting nonsense you have read and don't understand firsthand.

What? No they really don't. How about YOU stop parroting nonsense you obviously know jack shit about.

NP for someone who apparently Knows more you haven't said jack yourself . The PP is right , this idea that finance is filled with mega bonuses is simply urban legend

Like I'm going to share my work history on a message board! Lol. I'm not insane. As for the bonuses, a 600k bonus is not "mega." The fact that you seem to think so and that it's rare is sad. I guess you need to tell yourself that to feel better about the piddling amount you make. I only commented in the first place because your bragging about stashing 400k away over 9 year period struck me as so sad and pathetic. It just reinforces for me the idea that going into law for the money is not a good idea.

You are cute, Senior Associate. I used to think I knew everything too when I was fresh out of Harvard. I thought all lawyers went into biglaw. I made six figure bonuses working in finance right out of grad school. I'm currently not working and raising our 3 children. DH bonused out $1.2m last year and we expect it to be $2m this year. I have friends who made millions in their 20's but not doing as well in this market. Most of our friends in finance do bonus out a few hundred grand each year. The ones who are killing it are making millions. DH's friend who is a computer whiz programs for a hedge fund and has been making tons of money consistently for over a decade. He often works at home in his pajamas.

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700 GW first-years. Wheelie bags.

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Anonymous wrote:This is really disconcerting in the sense that there's no really no incentive nowadays to want to rise to the top of your field.

Why is it disconcerting that there is little incentive for anyone with their eyes open to gun for partnership? There is still money to be made. After 9 years in big law, I have over 400k cash in savings, not including my retirement savings and shares of stock. All of it is mine and, because I'm an associate, the firm doesn't get to come askint for my money in the name of capital contributions. I'm applying to exit to the government or in house and, with the connections I've made over these 9 years, I'll be just fine.

--Senior associate

You know how easily you could have made that in finance? One year, one good bonus. Actually, depending on where you are and what you do, a lot of people wouldn't even call 800k a "good" bonus.

Why is there always an idiot who posts this tripe about finance? :rolleyes: No, this is not "easily" made in finance. You're talking about top, rare earners who work worse hours than big law and get fired way more quickly. Do you have any close relationships with anyone at a bonus-eligible hedge fund or investment banking job?

--Senior Associate

I should also add that, for the very rare few who make the bonuses you describe, those bonuses come with ridiculous years-long clawback and vesting provisions. Stop parroting nonsense you have read and don't understand firsthand.

What? No they really don't. How about YOU stop parroting nonsense you obviously know jack shit about.

NP for someone who apparently Knows more you haven't said jack yourself . The PP is right , this idea that finance is filled with mega bonuses is simply urban legend

Like I'm going to share my work history on a message board! Lol. I'm not insane. As for the bonuses, a 600k bonus is not "mega." The fact that you seem to think so and that it's rare is sad. I guess you need to tell yourself that to feel better about the piddling amount you make. I only commented in the first place because your bragging about stashing 400k away over 9 year period struck me as so sad and pathetic. It just reinforces for me the idea that going into law for the money is not a good idea.

You are cute, Senior Associate. I used to think I knew everything too when I was fresh out of Harvard. I thought all lawyers went into biglaw. I made six figure bonuses working in finance right out of grad school. I'm currently not working and raising our 3 children. DH bonused out $1.2m last year and we expect it to be $2m this year. I have friends who made millions in their 20's but not doing as well in this market. Most of our friends in finance do bonus out a few hundred grand each year. The ones who are killing it are making millions. DH's friend who is a computer whiz programs for a hedge fund and has been making tons of money consistently for over a decade. He often works at home in his pajamas.

The PP you're responding to is not the one self-IDing as senior associate. How are you finding it so hard to keep track of who you are responding to?

Also, am I the only one who doesn't care what non-working spouses have to say about the workforce? If you knew it all, you wouldn't be sitting at home poring over dirty diapers.

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Anonymous wrote:This is really disconcerting in the sense that there's no really no incentive nowadays to want to rise to the top of your field.

Why is it disconcerting that there is little incentive for anyone with their eyes open to gun for partnership? There is still money to be made. After 9 years in big law, I have over 400k cash in savings, not including my retirement savings and shares of stock. All of it is mine and, because I'm an associate, the firm doesn't get to come askint for my money in the name of capital contributions. I'm applying to exit to the government or in house and, with the connections I've made over these 9 years, I'll be just fine.

--Senior associate

You know how easily you could have made that in finance? One year, one good bonus. Actually, depending on where you are and what you do, a lot of people wouldn't even call 800k a "good" bonus.

Why is there always an idiot who posts this tripe about finance? :rolleyes: No, this is not "easily" made in finance. You're talking about top, rare earners who work worse hours than big law and get fired way more quickly. Do you have any close relationships with anyone at a bonus-eligible hedge fund or investment banking job?

--Senior Associate

I should also add that, for the very rare few who make the bonuses you describe, those bonuses come with ridiculous years-long clawback and vesting provisions. Stop parroting nonsense you have read and don't understand firsthand.

What? No they really don't. How about YOU stop parroting nonsense you obviously know jack shit about.

NP for someone who apparently Knows more you haven't said jack yourself . The PP is right , this idea that finance is filled with mega bonuses is simply urban legend

Like I'm going to share my work history on a message board! Lol. I'm not insane. As for the bonuses, a 600k bonus is not "mega." The fact that you seem to think so and that it's rare is sad. I guess you need to tell yourself that to feel better about the piddling amount you make. I only commented in the first place because your bragging about stashing 400k away over 9 year period struck me as so sad and pathetic. It just reinforces for me the idea that going into law for the money is not a good idea.

So, you have nothing useful to share, except to hate on someone stashing 400k. Gotcha.

Senior associate is nothing nice, but she is the only one who has shared anything useful in this thread. Please shut up and let her continue.

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Anonymous wrote:is this affecting your wachtells and cravaths?

This is an industry-wide trend. You think trends skip firms by vault ranking? "Oh, whoops, this one's a V10, let me go affect the V50."

wsj article posted by op said that the market is bifurcating into the ultra elite and the rest one could hypothesize that WLRK and others at the very top aren't seeing the hit in billings that perhaps lower v50 or v100 firms are

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Anonymous wrote:This is really disconcerting in the sense that there's no really no incentive nowadays to want to rise to the top of your field.

Why is it disconcerting that there is little incentive for anyone with their eyes open to gun for partnership? There is still money to be made. After 9 years in big law, I have over 400k cash in savings, not including my retirement savings and shares of stock. All of it is mine and, because I'm an associate, the firm doesn't get to come askint for my money in the name of capital contributions. I'm applying to exit to the government or in house and, with the connections I've made over these 9 years, I'll be just fine.

--Senior associate

You know how easily you could have made that in finance? One year, one good bonus. Actually, depending on where you are and what you do, a lot of people wouldn't even call 800k a "good" bonus.

Why is there always an idiot who posts this tripe about finance? :rolleyes: No, this is not "easily" made in finance. You're talking about top, rare earners who work worse hours than big law and get fired way more quickly. Do you have any close relationships with anyone at a bonus-eligible hedge fund or investment banking job?

--Senior Associate

I should also add that, for the very rare few who make the bonuses you describe, those bonuses come with ridiculous years-long clawback and vesting provisions. Stop parroting nonsense you have read and don't understand firsthand.

What? No they really don't. How about YOU stop parroting nonsense you obviously know jack shit about.

NP for someone who apparently Knows more you haven't said jack yourself . The PP is right , this idea that finance is filled with mega bonuses is simply urban legend

Like I'm going to share my work history on a message board! Lol. I'm not insane. As for the bonuses, a 600k bonus is not "mega." The fact that you seem to think so and that it's rare is sad. I guess you need to tell yourself that to feel better about the piddling amount you make. I only commented in the first place because your bragging about stashing 400k away over 9 year period struck me as so sad and pathetic. It just reinforces for me the idea that going into law for the money is not a good idea.

You are cute, Senior Associate. I used to think I knew everything too when I was fresh out of Harvard. I thought all lawyers went into biglaw. I made six figure bonuses working in finance right out of grad school. I'm currently not working and raising our 3 children. DH bonused out $1.2m last year and we expect it to be $2m this year. I have friends who made millions in their 20's but not doing as well in this market. Most of our friends in finance do bonus out a few hundred grand each year. The ones who are killing it are making millions. DH's friend who is a computer whiz programs for a hedge fund and has been making tons of money consistently for over a decade. He often works at home in his pajamas.

The PP you're responding to is not the one self-IDing as senior associate. How are you finding it so hard to keep track of who you are responding to?

Also, am I the only one who doesn't care what non-working spouses have to say about the workforce? If you knew it all, you wouldn't be sitting at home poring over dirty diapers.

I spent 15 years working and was a managing director and SVP previously. I am only recently home. Having a third baby tipped us over.

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Anonymous wrote:This is really disconcerting in the sense that there's no really no incentive nowadays to want to rise to the top of your field.

Why is it disconcerting that there is little incentive for anyone with their eyes open to gun for partnership? There is still money to be made. After 9 years in big law, I have over 400k cash in savings, not including my retirement savings and shares of stock. All of it is mine and, because I'm an associate, the firm doesn't get to come askint for my money in the name of capital contributions. I'm applying to exit to the government or in house and, with the connections I've made over these 9 years, I'll be just fine.

--Senior associate

You know how easily you could have made that in finance? One year, one good bonus. Actually, depending on where you are and what you do, a lot of people wouldn't even call 800k a "good" bonus.

Why is there always an idiot who posts this tripe about finance? :rolleyes: No, this is not "easily" made in finance. You're talking about top, rare earners who work worse hours than big law and get fired way more quickly. Do you have any close relationships with anyone at a bonus-eligible hedge fund or investment banking job?

--Senior Associate

I should also add that, for the very rare few who make the bonuses you describe, those bonuses come with ridiculous years-long clawback and vesting provisions. Stop parroting nonsense you have read and don't understand firsthand.

What? No they really don't. How about YOU stop parroting nonsense you obviously know jack shit about.

NP for someone who apparently Knows more you haven't said jack yourself . The PP is right , this idea that finance is filled with mega bonuses is simply urban legend

Like I'm going to share my work history on a message board! Lol. I'm not insane. As for the bonuses, a 600k bonus is not "mega." The fact that you seem to think so and that it's rare is sad. I guess you need to tell yourself that to feel better about the piddling amount you make. I only commented in the first place because your bragging about stashing 400k away over 9 year period struck me as so sad and pathetic. It just reinforces for me the idea that going into law for the money is not a good idea.

You are cute, Senior Associate. I used to think I knew everything too when I was fresh out of Harvard. I thought all lawyers went into biglaw. I made six figure bonuses working in finance right out of grad school. I'm currently not working and raising our 3 children. DH bonused out $1.2m last year and we expect it to be $2m this year. I have friends who made millions in their 20's but not doing as well in this market. Most of our friends in finance do bonus out a few hundred grand each year. The ones who are killing it are making millions. DH's friend who is a computer whiz programs for a hedge fund and has been making tons of money consistently for over a decade. He often works at home in his pajamas.

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Anonymous wrote:is this affecting your wachtells and cravaths?

This is an industry-wide trend. You think trends skip firms by vault ranking? "Oh, whoops, this one's a V10, let me go affect the V50."

wsj article posted by op said that the market is bifurcating into the ultra elite and the rest one could hypothesize that WLRK and others at the very top aren't seeing the hit in billings that perhaps lower v50 or v100 firms are

Oh, well since the WSJ said that, I guess it must be true. Has it occurred to you that the media only catches legal trends long after they take hold? The deequitization of partners has been a real problem since 2008, but the media is only now devoting real attention to it because Shearman & Sterling couldn't keep its business under wraps. By the time the media realizes this trend has spread to V10 law firms and is actually the norm industry-wide, another 5-10 years will have passed.

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Anonymous wrote:This is really disconcerting in the sense that there's no really no incentive nowadays to want to rise to the top of your field.

Why is it disconcerting that there is little incentive for anyone with their eyes open to gun for partnership? There is still money to be made. After 9 years in big law, I have over 400k cash in savings, not including my retirement savings and shares of stock. All of it is mine and, because I'm an associate, the firm doesn't get to come askint for my money in the name of capital contributions. I'm applying to exit to the government or in house and, with the connections I've made over these 9 years, I'll be just fine.

--Senior associate

You know how easily you could have made that in finance? One year, one good bonus. Actually, depending on where you are and what you do, a lot of people wouldn't even call 800k a "good" bonus.

Why is there always an idiot who posts this tripe about finance? :rolleyes: No, this is not "easily" made in finance. You're talking about top, rare earners who work worse hours than big law and get fired way more quickly. Do you have any close relationships with anyone at a bonus-eligible hedge fund or investment banking job?

--Senior Associate

I should also add that, for the very rare few who make the bonuses you describe, those bonuses come with ridiculous years-long clawback and vesting provisions. Stop parroting nonsense you have read and don't understand firsthand.

What? No they really don't. How about YOU stop parroting nonsense you obviously know jack shit about.

NP for someone who apparently Knows more you haven't said jack yourself . The PP is right , this idea that finance is filled with mega bonuses is simply urban legend

Like I'm going to share my work history on a message board! Lol. I'm not insane. As for the bonuses, a 600k bonus is not "mega." The fact that you seem to think so and that it's rare is sad. I guess you need to tell yourself that to feel better about the piddling amount you make. I only commented in the first place because your bragging about stashing 400k away over 9 year period struck me as so sad and pathetic. It just reinforces for me the idea that going into law for the money is not a good idea.

You are cute, Senior Associate. I used to think I knew everything too when I was fresh out of Harvard. I thought all lawyers went into biglaw. I made six figure bonuses working in finance right out of grad school. I'm currently not working and raising our 3 children. DH bonused out $1.2m last year and we expect it to be $2m this year. I have friends who made millions in their 20's but not doing as well in this market. Most of our friends in finance do bonus out a few hundred grand each year. The ones who are killing it are making millions. DH's friend who is a computer whiz programs for a hedge fund and has been making tons of money consistently for over a decade. He often works at home in his pajamas.

The PP you're responding to is not the one self-IDing as senior associate. How are you finding it so hard to keep track of who you are responding to?

Also, am I the only one who doesn't care what non-working spouses have to say about the workforce? If you knew it all, you wouldn't be sitting at home poring over dirty diapers.

I spent 15 years working and was a managing director and SVP previously. I am only recently home. Having a third baby tipped us over.

Still don't care. Let your husband come here and talk firsthand. I am sick of SAHMs chiming in with secondhand, smug bullshit. Back to the kitchen with you.