average IQ at "big 3" schools

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Anonymous wrote:Hard to find a common metric to compare, because the private school kids aren't taking the same assessment tests as the FCPS elementary kids. On the WPPSI/ERB test, FWIW which might not be much, my kids are in the high 140s and low 150s, and my sense is most of the other kids are in that same general area.

This is the type of info the parents in the AAP/HGC threads post. It is just not probably that "most" of the kids in a big 3 class have IQs of close to 150. I agree with the posters who are guessing in the 120-135 range, and also with the poster who noted that the range of scores is bound to be more narrow than in a public (although not more so than the AAP and MoCo's gifted programs, which was OP's post). Also, several posters questioned how so many of us know our kids' IQs - if they entered private before 5th grade, they likely took the wppsi/wisc tests.

The earlier kids takes these tests, the less reliable they tend to be in measuring innate intellect & the more likely they are to be greatly skewed by the child's environment . I know several kids who scored above the 99th percentile on the wppsi when applying for K, for instance. Most of these kids -- mine included-- did not turn out to be geniuses, just bright kids from high SES homes.

This. If you are using WPPSI scores as the basis for knowing your kids' IQs, I can guarantee that those aren't accurate. IQ tests don't begin to become accurate as measure of intelligence until about age 9, if I recall from Nurture Shock.

I am a "Big 3" parent with kids in high school. Generally speaking, the Big 3 kids who start in K do not have greater native intelligence than kids in other schools. They might be slightly higher than the population as a whole, but that is based more on SES and the higher education levels of parents around here. By 9th grade, according to my kids, the new students are incredibly smart and/or gifted in some particular art. My DD reported that the new kids were "amazing." The selection process becomes more accurate as you have better, more reliable data, so the admitted students actually might raise the IQ averages at that point.

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Anonymous wrote:I have two daughters at Holton and they are bright, capable, engaged and happy - why would I care about an IQ score? Years ago when I tested for G&T in the 70's I recall my IQ was 137, which the public school needed to know in order to decide who got into the program. I'm glad my girls don't know their IQ because I think it's largely useless at a certain level. Poise and academic engagement are more important IMO.

+1. My daughters don't know their IQ scores either and I have no desire to ever get them tested. At a certain level (and pretty much all the students at a Big 3 meet this level), it becomes more about the student's intangibles - willingness to work hard, take risks, poise, etc.

Ugh. "At a certain level" .... "we know it's pretty high without testing and didn't need to compete for a spot in a free magnet school, so we don't need an actual number."

This is why I don't tell people where my kids go to school--they assume I think like this.

I'm not the PP you're responding to, but I don't understand your complaint. It sounded to me like PP was just saying she knows her daughters are smart, but doesn't want to get hung up on the exact scores, so she hasn't had them tested. Are you saying it's offensive that she thinks her daughters are smart without having a test score in her back pocket? I must be missing your point.

Yes, this is exactly what I meant! Some people are always looking for a fight. Thanks for seeing what I meant PP.

It wasn't offensive, it was smug, but if you didn't see that it's probably because you are the same way. "IQ testing is for people whose children are not at my children's level" has a very "then let them eat cake" ring to it.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than the WIPPSI, my kids have never been tested. I have no idea.

The iq tests for children have received a lot of criticism due to new research proving them ineffective, but private schools love them.
I am not sure the current iq tests are that good either

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Two kids at big 3s. One with a 109 and one with a 130

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Most kids take the Otis-Lennon at some point and it has an IQ score if you know where to look on the report. My kids private made me aware of this. Look at that report and you can figure out which number is the IQ.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard to find a common metric to compare, because the private school kids aren't taking the same assessment tests as the FCPS elementary kids. On the WPPSI/ERB test, FWIW which might not be much, my kids are in the high 140s and low 150s, and my sense is most of the other kids are in that same general area.

Hilarious. I call bullshit!

Believe whatever you want - I have scans of the results in my gmail, so I can back it up with pictures if you really want to get into a pissing match.

np - so what does that buy you?

That is hilarious. Please, post scans of your kids IQ. I'll go make some popcorn.

Yes, please do post the pictures.

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Aap kids are nowhere near 135 universally! Both my kids are level 4 and they are 125 IQs.

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Anonymous wrote:Every white kid I know is in "gifted" in the publics. OP -- don't you know that is how de facto segregation happens in the "diverse" public schools.

You hit the nail on the head. I love these parents who tout the fact that their kids go to diverse public high schools and meanwhile their kids are in the AAP/IB bubble and never mingle with the "others". Let's just call a spade a spade. These same parents (the ones I know) roll their eyes that we chose private because they feel private schools are not diverse enough.

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Bilingual kids are smarter, we know that from research, also intelligence is fluid, environment can influence it. There is not a reliable way to measure it at age 5 or 15

But if you need to believe your kid is better than others because of private school admission, then go ahead

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God, OP what an obnoxious question. Why does it matter? Get a life.

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Anonymous wrote:Every white kid I know is in "gifted" in the publics. OP -- don't you know that is how de facto segregation happens in the "diverse" public schools.

You hit the nail on the head. I love these parents who tout the fact that their kids go to diverse public high schools and meanwhile their kids are in the AAP/IB bubble and never mingle with the "others". Let's just call a spade a spade. These same parents (the ones I know) roll their eyes that we chose private because they feel private schools are not diverse enough.

As AA parents of a bright kid we chose a Big 3 in part because it is far more diverse than the MCPS magnet he attended for middle school. He had only one other black boy in his program, and his schedule was such that he had few clases with the other non magnet kids. He feels like he has a much more of a peer support at his Big 3.

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As AA parents of a bright kid we chose a Big 3 in part because it is far more diverse than the MCPS magnet he attended for middle school. He had only one other black boy in his program, and his schedule was such that he had few clases with the other non magnet kids. He feels like he has a much more of a peer support at his Big 3.

This is interesting. I have seen this too. The magnets are not as diverse as the privates in some areas.