MoCo - Emotional Support for Gifted Students?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am not the PP, but I would venture to say s/he meant that a 140 IQ is not highly gifted and thus on the bubble for admission.

140 is highly gifted, but there are a lot of highly gifted students in MoCo. With a 140 IQ, the child is far from a shoe in for magnet.

1. It is "shoo-in", not "shoe in."

2. Many of the magnet students have comparable IQs, so I agree that OP's child is not a shoo-in. However, if she tests well, she will be admitted.

OP, also note that if you move to MoCo after the application date, you can request that your child be tested. I have a friend who did this and her DD was admitted to the TPMS magnet in August that year.

where is this info from?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not the PP, but I would venture to say s/he meant that a 140 IQ is not highly gifted and thus on the bubble for admission.

140 is highly gifted, but there are a lot of highly gifted students in MoCo. With a 140 IQ, the child is far from a shoe in for magnet.

You gotta be kidding me. My three kids went thru the magnets and i dont' think their IQ is any higher than room temperature. Certainly no where close to 140!

PP here. I am NOT kidding you. My IQ was tested at 151. I made the magnet middle school. I did not make the magnet high school (attended the school anyway). I was far from the smartest person in the magnet program.

Then either MCPS magnet admission process is faulted or IQ test itself is faulted. I really cannot believe (not being a humblebrag here) my three kids have IQ that high. They got into middle and HS magnets and did fairly well (not #1 in class but probably top 10-20% of magnet class). I do agree that there are a LOT of smart kids in magnets as you would expect but IQ of 140 still seems high to me. But I have no proof.

Statistically speaking an IQ of 151 should appear in about 4 children in a student body of 12,000. It's roughly 3.5 standard deviations above the mean and is in the 99.97 percentile. I went through MCPS in the 80's with a WAIS score of 148 and was bored out of my mind. I don't even remember magnet programs being an option.

[Anonymous]

And an IQ of 140 should appear in approximately 1 in out of 250 children. So in a student body of 12,000 that would be about 48 kids. I don't know the size of the magnet programs by grade level but it doesn't seem like 140 would be a long shot.

[Anonymous]

The population of MCPS does not represent the nation. In some parts of the county we have the highest concentration of Ph.D. parents in the country and since Ph.Ds tend to have higher IQs and IQ appears to be mostly heritable it stands to reason that their children would have higher IQs than the norm as a whole.

So in a student body of 12,000 there would likely be a lot more kids with an IQ 140+.
11% Bethesda residents with PhDs.
6.6% in Silver Spring.

[Anonymous]

My high IQ and hardworking DD did not get into the program at TPES, but has thrived with a combination of a great, small private school and programs for gifted kids through Johns Hopkins and other institutions. There are many paths to a happy and stimulated child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The population of MCPS does not represent the nation. In some parts of the county we have the highest concentration of Ph.D. parents in the country and since Ph.Ds tend to have higher IQs and IQ appears to be mostly heritable it stands to reason that their children would have higher IQs than the norm as a whole.

So in a student body of 12,000 there would likely be a lot more kids with an IQ 140+.
11% Bethesda residents with PhDs.
6.6% in Silver Spring.

Nationwide, about 1.6 percent of Americans have a PhD, so no matter how you look at it, the DC area has a glut of folks with terminal degrees. I don't even think that counts folks who have terminal degrees in their home countries but immigrated to the US. At my kids' school in Silver Spring, I know a bunch of MDs and PhDs whose educational bona fides didn't fully transfer, so they are working as nurses or some other professions that requires slightly less education here in the US. I doubt that brings us close to Bethesda's numbers, but it just demonstrates that kids with highly educated parents are a dime a dozen throughout the area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The population of MCPS does not represent the nation. In some parts of the county we have the highest concentration of Ph.D. parents in the country and since Ph.Ds tend to have higher IQs and IQ appears to be mostly heritable it stands to reason that their children would have higher IQs than the norm as a whole.

So in a student body of 12,000 there would likely be a lot more kids with an IQ 140+.
11% Bethesda residents with PhDs.
6.6% in Silver Spring.

I agree with your statement but I don't think it carries enough weight to skew the results more than a few points in any direction. A person with a 120 IQ is more than capable of attaining an advanced degree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And an IQ of 140 should appear in approximately 1 in out of 250 children. So in a student body of 12,000 that would be about 48 kids. I don't know the size of the magnet programs by grade level but it doesn't seem like 140 would be a long shot.

When I was in the magnet, the program enrolled about 100 people per year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And an IQ of 140 should appear in approximately 1 in out of 250 children. So in a student body of 12,000 that would be about 48 kids. I don't know the size of the magnet programs by grade level but it doesn't seem like 140 would be a long shot.

When I was in the magnet, the program enrolled about 100 people per year.

Is that county wide or per magnet school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And an IQ of 140 should appear in approximately 1 in out of 250 children. So in a student body of 12,000 that would be about 48 kids. I don't know the size of the magnet programs by grade level but it doesn't seem like 140 would be a long shot.

When I was in the magnet, the program enrolled about 100 people per year.

Is that county wide or per magnet school?

For HS,

Blair Math and Science ~100/grade, ~400 total
RM/IB ~100/grade, ~400 total

Not sure about Blair CAP, PHS GE, PHS Math and Science, and PHS Humanity magnets

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And an IQ of 140 should appear in approximately 1 in out of 250 children. So in a student body of 12,000 that would be about 48 kids. I don't know the size of the magnet programs by grade level but it doesn't seem like 140 would be a long shot.

When I was in the magnet, the program enrolled about 100 people per year.

Is that county wide or per magnet school?

For HS,

Blair Math and Science ~100/grade, ~400 total
RM/IB ~100/grade, ~400 total

Not sure about Blair CAP, PHS GE, PHS Math and Science, and PHS Humanity magnets

CAP is 75 incoming freshmen, tends to be down to 60-65 at graduation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not the PP, but I would venture to say s/he meant that a 140 IQ is not highly gifted and thus on the bubble for admission.

140 is highly gifted, but there are a lot of highly gifted students in MoCo. With a 140 IQ, the child is far from a shoe in for magnet.

1. It is "shoo-in", not "shoe in."

2. Many of the magnet students have comparable IQs, so I agree that OP's child is not a shoo-in. However, if she tests well, she will be admitted.

OP, also note that if you move to MoCo after the application date, you can request that your child be tested. I have a friend who did this and her DD was admitted to the TPMS magnet in August that year.

where is this info from?

It is my guess. Could be wrong, of course. But when you use test scores to enroll 100 kids out of 10,000 high school freshman in a magnet program located in a metro area populated by highly-educated people, it is likely that most of the students will have IQs significantly above average.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not the PP, but I would venture to say s/he meant that a 140 IQ is not highly gifted and thus on the bubble for admission.

140 is highly gifted, but there are a lot of highly gifted students in MoCo. With a 140 IQ, the child is far from a shoe in for magnet.

My kid has a 140 IQ and went to a magnet; she was an average student from what I could see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The population of MCPS does not represent the nation. In some parts of the county we have the highest concentration of Ph.D. parents in the country and since Ph.Ds tend to have higher IQs and IQ appears to be mostly heritable it stands to reason that their children would have higher IQs than the norm as a whole.

So in a student body of 12,000 there would likely be a lot more kids with an IQ 140+.
11% Bethesda residents with PhDs.
6.6% in Silver Spring.

I agree with your statement but I don't think it carries enough weight to skew the results more than a few points in any direction. A person with a 120 IQ is more than capable of attaining an advanced degree.

It might not skew the overall average that much but it probably leads to a fat tail of very smart kids.

[Anonymous]

I strongly believe IQ doesn't indicate how successful a child will be. OP: Which program to apply for depends on your child's interests. I have child with 133 IQ, but 160+ on math subtest. Takoma has been good fit, but non-magnet teachers are hit and miss. Don't know other child's IQ, but don't think it's as high and he finished math sci successfully with a great peer group.

Eastern is more stress and work and group projects than Takoma, based on what I've seen with kids' friends over the years.