Summer Swim Team - swimmers train off season commonly?

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Anonymous wrote:What teams have more than 3 swimmers in an event with all star times? Is this Division A?

A, B, C, D & E that I know of. Depends on the age group/sex, but yes.

Lots in A.

This is not true if you are in MCSL. I just looked at the results for various divisions.

We've swam in MCPL A and C. Swimmers with all star times swimming b meets is very uncommon.

Not the PP, and I assume you meant MCSL, but I've seen the same thing in our B meets. There were a lot of all star times in B meets this year-several per meet. We're in a middle division.

You sure they're not swimming exhibition? You all must have some seriously deep teams to have 7+ freestyle all star times per group and 4+ in other strokes. That just hasn't been our experience.

There aren't 7+ all star freestyle times. You can only swim 3 individual events in a Saturday meet. Whatever stroke the top kids didn't swim on Saturday they swim Wednesday, where they are getting all star times. (Wednesday times aren't official though.) Also, occasionally if kids need to be away for a Saturday meet they can do all their strokes on Wednesday. That's just how our team/league has done it. The kids are not swimming exhibition.

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a D1 pool in NVSL. Almost all our Saturday swimmers swim year round. Our team does not win based upon what happens in the summer, it's all about the year-round training. At our pool, it is strongly encouraged to sign up for a program for the rest of the year. Only 6-9 swimmers per age group get to swim on Saturdays and you don't have much hope unless you swim year-round.

This is well-known, though, so most swimmers go in expecting to only swim in B mets. It can be challenging if your kid only makes 1 Saturday meet because then they realize how much more exciting it is to be an A meet swimmer. Sometimes that motivates them to work harder and sometimes that makes them want to quit because it is hard to go back to B meets.

Just curious, and I promise this is not a snarky comment, are you at one of the three pools that is always in D1 or are you at one of the the other pools that rotates in to D1 based on time in water and results the prior year? (Our pool was in D1 a few years ago but we dropped down - due to results - after the one year in D1). The three that are usually in D1 (Chesterbrook, Tuckahoe, and I always forget the third) are clearly different and more competitive than "neighborhood pools (and that's not a bad thing).

Yes - Always D1. The 4 that never move out are Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee & McLean. We are at one and have friends at another. Year-round swim and private lessons are the norm.

To the poster who said they'd find another pool, it doesn't work like that. Waitlists for pools in this area are years and years long. People usually get on a few lists and join wherever they get in. Ultimately, you hope it's the one closest to you. We didn't join because it was D1, we joined because we could walk.

Chesterbrook took the title away from Overlee this year.

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Anonymous wrote:What teams have more than 3 swimmers in an event with all star times? Is this Division A?

A, B, C, D & E that I know of. Depends on the age group/sex, but yes.

Lots in A.

This is not true if you are in MCSL. I just looked at the results for various divisions.

We've swam in MCPL A and C. Swimmers with all star times swimming b meets is very uncommon.

Not the PP, and I assume you meant MCSL, but I've seen the same thing in our B meets. There were a lot of all star times in B meets this year-several per meet. We're in a middle division.

You sure they're not swimming exhibition? You all must have some seriously deep teams to have 7+ freestyle all star times per group and 4+ in other strokes. That just hasn't been our experience.

There aren't 7+ all star freestyle times. You can only swim 3 individual events in a Saturday meet. Whatever stroke the top kids didn't swim on Saturday they swim Wednesday, where they are getting all star times. (Wednesday times aren't official though.) Also, occasionally if kids need to be away for a Saturday meet they can do all their strokes on Wednesday. That's just how our team/league has done it. The kids are not swimming exhibition.

At our pool you can only swim 3 strokes plus IM in a week (to include both a and b meet). I thought that was an MCSL rule but perhaps it's by pool? Additionally if they score in two events in the a meet, anything swam in b is exhibition.

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Anonymous wrote:What teams have more than 3 swimmers in an event with all star times? Is this Division A?

A, B, C, D & E that I know of. Depends on the age group/sex, but yes.

Lots in A.

This is not true if you are in MCSL. I just looked at the results for various divisions.

We've swam in MCPL A and C. Swimmers with all star times swimming b meets is very uncommon.

Not the PP, and I assume you meant MCSL, but I've seen the same thing in our B meets. There were a lot of all star times in B meets this year-several per meet. We're in a middle division.

You sure they're not swimming exhibition? You all must have some seriously deep teams to have 7+ freestyle all star times per group and 4+ in other strokes. That just hasn't been our experience.

There aren't 7+ all star freestyle times. You can only swim 3 individual events in a Saturday meet. Whatever stroke the top kids didn't swim on Saturday they swim Wednesday, where they are getting all star times. (Wednesday times aren't official though.) Also, occasionally if kids need to be away for a Saturday meet they can do all their strokes on Wednesday. That's just how our team/league has done it. The kids are not swimming exhibition.

At our pool you can only swim 3 strokes plus IM in a week (to include both a and b meet). I thought that was an MCSL rule but perhaps it's by pool? Additionally if they score in two events in the a meet, anything swam in b is exhibition.

That seems pretty reasonable.

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Technically summer swim team is "off-season." The year round swimmers regard it as a fun break. Many of them continue to attend rigorous practice with their year round teams and show up only for the meets with their summer club.
If your daughter really likes swimming as a sport and wants to get faster, she needs to join a full year team.

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a D1 pool in NVSL. Almost all our Saturday swimmers swim year round. Our team does not win based upon what happens in the summer, it's all about the year-round training. At our pool, it is strongly encouraged to sign up for a program for the rest of the year. Only 6-9 swimmers per age group get to swim on Saturdays and you don't have much hope unless you swim year-round.

This is well-known, though, so most swimmers go in expecting to only swim in B mets. It can be challenging if your kid only makes 1 Saturday meet because then they realize how much more exciting it is to be an A meet swimmer. Sometimes that motivates them to work harder and sometimes that makes them want to quit because it is hard to go back to B meets.

That's a messed up attitude.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, for some swimmers, summer is the "off season" and summer teams are for fun -- and it is fun with team spirit and cheesy cheers and pep rallies. For other kids, summer team is the only time they swim and that's great too.

For kids who swim during the school year, that is their sport, like soccer or gymnastics for other kids. They aren't doing it so they will be be better for the summer pool team. They are swimmers and may also be swimming for their school teams in the winter.

So don't do it just for the sake of the summer program. Do it if this is the sport she wants to do.

+1 thank you PP! I was trying to think of a way to explain this. Can't believe it took so long for someone to explain that kids don't train for summer swim team. They swim because it is their sport of choice.

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a D1 pool in NVSL. Almost all our Saturday swimmers swim year round. Our team does not win based upon what happens in the summer, it's all about the year-round training. At our pool, it is strongly encouraged to sign up for a program for the rest of the year. Only 6-9 swimmers per age group get to swim on Saturdays and you don't have much hope unless you swim year-round.

This is well-known, though, so most swimmers go in expecting to only swim in B mets. It can be challenging if your kid only makes 1 Saturday meet because then they realize how much more exciting it is to be an A meet swimmer. Sometimes that motivates them to work harder and sometimes that makes them want to quit because it is hard to go back to B meets.

That's a messed up attitude.

Have you ever been to a NVSL Division 1 swim meet? Talk about messed up. Obnoxious spectators who need to chill out and realize summer swim is supposed to be fun, and all are to demonstrate good sportsmanship. This poster pretty much sums up the Overlee, Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe attitude.

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a D1 pool in NVSL. Almost all our Saturday swimmers swim year round. Our team does not win based upon what happens in the summer, it's all about the year-round training. At our pool, it is strongly encouraged to sign up for a program for the rest of the year. Only 6-9 swimmers per age group get to swim on Saturdays and you don't have much hope unless you swim year-round.

This is well-known, though, so most swimmers go in expecting to only swim in B mets. It can be challenging if your kid only makes 1 Saturday meet because then they realize how much more exciting it is to be an A meet swimmer. Sometimes that motivates them to work harder and sometimes that makes them want to quit because it is hard to go back to B meets.

That's a messed up attitude.

Have you ever been to a NVSL Division 1 swim meet? Talk about messed up. Obnoxious spectators who need to chill out and realize summer swim is supposed to be fun, and all are to demonstrate good sportsmanship. This poster pretty much sums up the Overlee, Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe attitude.

+100

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Thank God for CCSDA! Fun, low key, summer break from real swim team.

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Anonymous wrote:What teams have more than 3 swimmers in an event with all star times? Is this Division A?

A, B, C, D & E that I know of. Depends on the age group/sex, but yes.

Lots in A.

This is not true if you are in MCSL. I just looked at the results for various divisions.

We've swam in MCPL A and C. Swimmers with all star times swimming b meets is very uncommon.

Not the PP, and I assume you meant MCSL, but I've seen the same thing in our B meets. There were a lot of all star times in B meets this year-several per meet. We're in a middle division.

You sure they're not swimming exhibition? You all must have some seriously deep teams to have 7+ freestyle all star times per group and 4+ in other strokes. That just hasn't been our experience.

There aren't 7+ all star freestyle times. You can only swim 3 individual events in a Saturday meet. Whatever stroke the top kids didn't swim on Saturday they swim Wednesday, where they are getting all star times. (Wednesday times aren't official though.) Also, occasionally if kids need to be away for a Saturday meet they can do all their strokes on Wednesday. That's just how our team/league has done it. The kids are not swimming exhibition.

At our pool you can only swim 3 strokes plus IM in a week (to include both a and b meet). I thought that was an MCSL rule but perhaps it's by pool? Additionally if they score in two events in the a meet, anything swam in b is exhibition.

That seems pretty reasonable.

That's a pool rule. Each team can set their own rules for B meets. Some teams allow their A swimmers to swim all their events at B meets and others allow none.

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The all star times poster is completely wrong if she is talking about MCSL. Just looked at the results from divisionals today.

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Anonymous wrote:The all star times poster is completely wrong if she is talking about MCSL. Just looked at the results from divisionals today.

Which proved what?

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a D1 pool in NVSL. Almost all our Saturday swimmers swim year round. Our team does not win based upon what happens in the summer, it's all about the year-round training. At our pool, it is strongly encouraged to sign up for a program for the rest of the year. Only 6-9 swimmers per age group get to swim on Saturdays and you don't have much hope unless you swim year-round.

This is well-known, though, so most swimmers go in expecting to only swim in B mets. It can be challenging if your kid only makes 1 Saturday meet because then they realize how much more exciting it is to be an A meet swimmer. Sometimes that motivates them to work harder and sometimes that makes them want to quit because it is hard to go back to B meets.

That's a messed up attitude.

That's a D1 NVSL attitude. Also, privates with the head coach get you much more than privates with a teenager. You pay for it, but it works out.

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Wait, can we have an MCSL v NVSL meet to see which really has the top swimmers?