Donald Trump and Wharton

[Anonymous]

How did this thread become about Obama?

Trump is an intellectual lightweight. Obama is not, and never will be.

Deal with it.

Did anyone see the article where Wharton students and alums called out Trump as a bigot and racist?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-wharton-school_us_57826326e4b0c590f7e9c072

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How did this thread become about Obama?

Trump is an intellectual lightweight. Obama is not, and never will be.

Deal with it.

Did anyone see the article where Wharton students and alums called out Trump as a bigot and racist?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-wharton-school_us_57826326e4b0c590f7e9c072

He's intelligent. Misguided, but intelligent. Obama is smart. But he babbles about strange stuff.

[Anonymous]

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You have no clue what Obama's SAT scores were. "Average" means that half the students scored higher and have scored lower. Or, if by "average" they mean "median," then the person in the middle of the distribution scored 1100, with half the transfers scoring below and half scoring above. With both measures of "average," the shape of the distribution makes all the difference. In fact, it seems totally plausible that the 50% below "average" scored from 1000-1099 (would Columbia really take somebody scoring 500?) and the 50% above "average" scored in a broader range from 1101 to 1600 (1600 was the top at the time).

Also you don't know whether Obama had months of private SAT tutoring, which is now the norm in the DC area. Versus resubmitting his freshman SATs which maybe he took cold.

So stop stating your speculation as fact.

FWIW, Columbia in the 1980s was a very different place before the Common App boosted the number of applications (this is true for every college that uses the Common App, hello Brown in particular) and their Morningside Heights neighborhood cleaned up.

Another FWIW. I'm a Wharton grad and while we have some wonderful alumns, we're forever being embarrassed by crooks like Michael Milken (he did discover philanthropy later in his life), the guy who launched a hostile takeover of Disney (forgetting his name at the moment), and now Trump.

I have a hard time believe you are a Wharton grad that you don't know what average means.

Yikes. Obviously you don't understand what "average" is. There's mean and there's median. "Average" can be either in literature aimed at the general public. From the post above referencing 1100 it's not clear which is being used. When the distribution is probably skewed, like this one, median is often a better choice. Sorry if that's hard for you to grasp. It's just sad when bullies like you are dumb.

Read your original post again and hopefully you can admit this time that you bumbled "mean" as that concept might be too difficult for you to comprehend.

[Anonymous]

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You have no clue what Obama's SAT scores were. "Average" means that half the students scored higher and have scored lower. Or, if by "average" they mean "median," then the person in the middle of the distribution scored 1100, with half the transfers scoring below and half scoring above. With both measures of "average," the shape of the distribution makes all the difference. In fact, it seems totally plausible that the 50% below "average" scored from 1000-1099 (would Columbia really take somebody scoring 500?) and the 50% above "average" scored in a broader range from 1101 to 1600 (1600 was the top at the time).

Also you don't know whether Obama had months of private SAT tutoring, which is now the norm in the DC area. Versus resubmitting his freshman SATs which maybe he took cold.

So stop stating your speculation as fact.

FWIW, Columbia in the 1980s was a very different place before the Common App boosted the number of applications (this is true for every college that uses the Common App, hello Brown in particular) and their Morningside Heights neighborhood cleaned up.

Another FWIW. I'm a Wharton grad and while we have some wonderful alumns, we're forever being embarrassed by crooks like Michael Milken (he did discover philanthropy later in his life), the guy who launched a hostile takeover of Disney (forgetting his name at the moment), and now Trump.

I have a hard time believe you are a Wharton grad that you don't know what average means.

Yikes. Obviously you don't understand what "average" is. There's mean and there's median. "Average" can be either in literature aimed at the general public. From the post above referencing 1100 it's not clear which is being used. When the distribution is probably skewed, like this one, median is often a better choice. Sorry if that's hard for you to grasp. It's just sad when bullies like you are dumb.

Read your original post again and hopefully you can admit this time that you bumbled "mean" as that concept might be too difficult for you to comprehend.

NP. The poster who said that the average of 1100 means (or could mean) that half the students fell above and half below is describing.....MEDIAN. The "average" (or "the mean") is a different measure. It's a rather simple distinction, but one that confuses a lot of people. (To throw another term into the mix, there is "mode." That would be the number occurring most often.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have to agree with this article. Trump is a phony conservative and a moron.

You might be forgiven for thinking from this, as I did, that Trump has an MBA from the Wharton School of Business. He doesn't.

He actually has an undergraduate degree for the two years he spent there. Yes, I said two years. Trump was not able to get into the Wharton School (undergraduate) when he applied to college. He spent his first two years at Fordham University – a respectable school, but nowhere near as rigorous as Wharton (either undergraduate or graduate). The circumstances of his admissions are not clear, but the Daily Caller suggested that Trump may have used a family connection to gain admittance.

So instead of saying, "I'm smart because I went to Wharton!" Trump should be saying, "I'm smart because I went to Fordham for two years, and then Wharton for my final two years!"

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/01/what_does_donald_trump_mean_when_he_says_i_went_to_wharton.html

So Obama is a phony for saying he graduated from Columbia? I never heard Obama said I went to occidental college for two years because I was not able to get into Columbia. Maybe Obama should release his transcripts and settle this.

Obama has often talked about his time at Occidental. He's written about it in his books, he's talked about it in interviews etc.

"In his autobiography, Dreams From My Father, Mr Obama describes himself as an unfocused high school student whose mother criticized him for being a ‘loafer’.

He also describes his attitude toward his studies at Occidental as ‘indifferent’ and called himself a ‘bum’ who was notorious for partying.

A November 18, 1981 article in the Columbia Spectator revealed the SAT average for the transfer intake that year.

It stated: ‘On paper at least, the quality of the students accepted [as transfers] has declined along with the number of applicants, the officials say.’

President Obama, who moved from Occidental Community College in Los Angeles, was among 67 students whose average combined math and verbal score on the Scholastic Aptitude Test is a 1,100."

1100 is pretty low.

that is shocking

You have no clue what Obama's SAT scores were. "Average" means that half the students scored higher and have scored lower. Or, if by "average" they mean "median," then the person in the middle of the distribution scored 1100, with half the transfers scoring below and half scoring above. With both measures of "average," the shape of the distribution makes all the difference. In fact, it seems totally plausible that the 50% below "average" scored from 1000-1099 (would Columbia really take somebody scoring 500?) and the 50% above "average" scored in a broader range from 1101 to 1600 (1600 was the top at the time).

Also you don't know whether Obama had months of private SAT tutoring, which is now the norm in the DC area. Versus resubmitting his freshman SATs which maybe he took cold.

So stop stating your speculation as fact.

FWIW, Columbia in the 1980s was a very different place before the Common App boosted the number of applications (this is true for every college that uses the Common App, hello Brown in particular) and their Morningside Heights neighborhood cleaned up.

Another FWIW. I'm a Wharton grad and while we have some wonderful alumns, we're forever being embarrassed by crooks like Michael Milken (he did discover philanthropy later in his life), the guy who launched a hostile takeover of Disney (forgetting his name at the moment), and now Trump.

To the Wharton graduate who can't distinguish between "average" and "median," here's a good explanation from Purdue ("Writing with Statistics"): https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/672/03/

[Anonymous]

What is a Purdue?

[Anonymous]

It's a chicken, of course!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You have no clue what Obama's SAT scores were. "Average" means that half the students scored higher and have scored lower. Or, if by "average" they mean "median," then the person in the middle of the distribution scored 1100, with half the transfers scoring below and half scoring above. With both measures of "average," the shape of the distribution makes all the difference. In fact, it seems totally plausible that the 50% below "average" scored from 1000-1099 (would Columbia really take somebody scoring 500?) and the 50% above "average" scored in a broader range from 1101 to 1600 (1600 was the top at the time).

Also you don't know whether Obama had months of private SAT tutoring, which is now the norm in the DC area. Versus resubmitting his freshman SATs which maybe he took cold.

So stop stating your speculation as fact.

FWIW, Columbia in the 1980s was a very different place before the Common App boosted the number of applications (this is true for every college that uses the Common App, hello Brown in particular) and their Morningside Heights neighborhood cleaned up.

Another FWIW. I'm a Wharton grad and while we have some wonderful alumns, we're forever being embarrassed by crooks like Michael Milken (he did discover philanthropy later in his life), the guy who launched a hostile takeover of Disney (forgetting his name at the moment), and now Trump.

I have a hard time believe you are a Wharton grad that you don't know what average means.

Yikes. Obviously you don't understand what "average" is. There's mean and there's median. "Average" can be either in literature aimed at the general public. From the post above referencing 1100 it's not clear which is being used. When the distribution is probably skewed, like this one, median is often a better choice. Sorry if that's hard for you to grasp. It's just sad when bullies like you are dumb.

Read your original post again and hopefully you can admit this time that you bumbled "mean" as that concept might be too difficult for you to comprehend.

NP. The poster who said that the average of 1100 means (or could mean) that half the students fell above and half below is describing.....MEDIAN. The "average" (or "the mean") is a different measure. It's a rather simple distinction, but one that confuses a lot of people. (To throw another term into the mix, there is "mode." That would be the number occurring most often.)

The poster attempted to describe two measures, mean and median, but used median for both cases. Not a big deal for average Joe. But you don't usually see quants from Wharton make this kind of rookie mistake.

[Anonymous]

Ha. This confusion between average and median even among educated people reminds me of a discussion with a co-worker. He kept INSISTING that every time you board a plane, you have a 50% chance of landing safely. When I asked him how he figured that (I mean, the airlines would cease to exist if those were your odds of survival), he said there are two outcomes to every flight. Either it lands safely, or it doesn't. Hence 50/50 - and he was not joking.

The kicker? He had an undergraduate degree in Economics from The College of William and Mary.

[Anonymous]

Wasn't the median SAT score boosted by around 100 in the early 90ss?

[Anonymous]

Total fraud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How did this thread become about Obama?

Trump is an intellectual lightweight. Obama is not, and never will be.

Deal with it.

Did anyone see the article where Wharton students and alums called out Trump as a bigot and racist?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-wharton-school_us_57826326e4b0c590f7e9c072

He's intelligent. Misguided, but intelligent. Obama is smart. But he babbles about strange stuff.

Most intelligent people over the age of 13 don't become fixated on inventing schoolyard taunts for rivals (Little Marco and Lyin' Ted), political pundits (Sleepy Eyes), mock individuals with disabilities, make sophomoric sexist remarks about women or appear to have a sexual fixation on their daughters. He's a man-boy.